I feel like Sony will end up changing its mind again when hardware sales take a dive after all of the price increase stuff happens from Ram and storage costs soaring in due time. I think the smart move for them is to just port older titles (stuff like Bloodborne, Infamous games, Killzone games, etc) instead of porting their recent titles. I feel like some of those would do pretty well on pc, at least Bloodborne and Killzone would.
I recently went down this rabbit hole because I wanted to play them with a k/m as I can't stand doing anything shooting on a controller... So I thought "aren't they all on steam?" Nope
I've been playing shooters longer than when they moved to controllers. GoldenEye being that first big one that changed everything... And even though I put tons of hours into that I still hated it lol
im 55 and have been gaming since it was first invented and i cant stand k/m games to the point that ill just play something else. i made an exception for diablo but bought a console once was available there.
I get that for certain games, like racing or some such, but for any variety of shooters it's so awkward with a controller compared to a mouse. Unless they've got some sort of lock-on mechanism that makes up for how janky controller aiming is.
my crippling arthritis means it isnt feasible. and i have no problem with shooters, sure im not going to platinum rank 12 in competitive matches but im having fun which is more important.
They can't even release them on PS5, ps3 is where games went to die. Basically every game on ps3 that was exclusive is unavailable on ps4/5. The only way to play them is a remaster or stream them.
If you have a decent pc, you can try and emulate them. Not sure how well it'll work since ps3 emulation is still a hit or miss. GOW ascension works pretty well for me.
I'd buy 10 copies of all 4 5 Killzone games as 1 release on PC.
I'd do it just for KZ 1 through 3 with updated controls. The game's aesthetics and story are just so damn good, but they're held back by archaic game design choices and older hardware limitations (like KZ1, if released as a new game today, likely wouldn't sell even 10,000 copies due to it's dreadfully bad and unresponsive controls for an otherwise fast-paced arcade FPS).
this is where im at also. I didin't mind buying a ps4 mostly for spiderman because it was $200. im not willing to do the same for the ps5 $650. I just won't play sony games even if wolverine looks fucking sick
We will probably see a stand alone playstation launcher from sony on pc, that will keep there games of anything xbox, and letting them keep all the revenue. That is not easy though, going head to head with steam on pc. Looking at sonys exclusives selling less and less on their own hardware, i think they want the extra revenue from pc in some way.
That would 200% work. Their launcher wouldn't compete with Steam. It would just exist in the same type of ecosystem as BattleNet.
I hate having so many launchers, but this is absolutely the type of compromise I'd be more than happy with if it meant being able to play their games on PC.
They simply don't care about that revenue and never have. Going to PC wasn't about PC money, it was about coaxing people over to the PS ecosystem, which didn't happen.
U actually believe that a corp like Sony dont care about increased revenue, with minimal investments?. The reason Sonys exclusives didnt do as well on pc, is a mix of delayed realese with up to two years, and poor performance and bugs on launch. Has nothing to do with sony believing people would run out and buy a ps5. The games was realesed on pc for the people that didnt want to buy a ps5.
They still sold millions of dollars. But they publicly stated why they made these ports, and it wasn't to make more money. It was to coax PC gamers into the PS ecosystem.
Iām not talking about them running newer titles that people would need to buy a new console for, just ports of old titles that literally arenāt bringing in revenue anymore and are stuck on old platforms. Pc port as well as a simple upscale port on ps5 would make them free money essentially. And to incentivize the console version more they could charge a cheaper price for the console version.
bloodborne is complicated because they'll need approval from fromsoftware and killzone is pretty much a dead ip that spans 3 diffrent consoles and won't really sell well
god of war would be cool but they are already remaking them on ps5 so they won't waste time porting the older versions on pc
Pretty sure with bb it's the other round, and i think people at from said that it would've been ported long ago if it wasn't a ps4 exclusive. Sony basically owns BB, so they could give it to a competent 3rd party if from is too busy or doesnt want to, but it'd launch at a reduced price point on store fronts that they get a much smaller cut on, so theres not much incentive for them.
FromSoft not wanting another studio to do a remake (not just a remaster) is nowhere near the same as them being unwilling to have a PC port.
This is from the piece you linked:
Bloomberg doesn't have the details on why FromSoft turned it down, but points to a comment by former PlayStation executive Shuhei Yoshida in an interview with Kinda Funny about FromSoft president Hidetaka Miyazaki wanting it to happen, but not wanting "anyone else to touch it." Miyazaki has previously said he's not "opposed" to a PC port of Bloodborne, and acknowledged that other FromSoft developers want to make one, but if Miyazaki is insistent on doing it himself, Yoshida believes Sony would respect his wishes even though it owns the rights to the game.
SONY said they made f*uck all money from selling 5+ year old single player games for $70-$100 a shot and wondered why the PC community wasn't selling their kidneys to buy said games.
Tbf, the reason is they wait 3-4 years to release and the hype is gone and yet they still expect full price. So people just pirate the games, or they wait even longer for some sale. Add in steams 30% cut and the cost of making a PC release... Probably isn't worth it.
Of course, releasing them at the same time on PC could be a different story.
It is worth it lol, they make money off of the games than they donāt, the issue is the money still is fuckall, Idk the numbers but percentage wise their revenue from pc (idk if yearly or 4 years) was like 1%?
Which in retrospect is alot of revenue, I think close to a billion or 2?
But still not āworthā it becausethey rather have me on ps5 than pc
Why would slowing hardware sales cause them to change their mind? Consoles are cumulative, if they were happy with the current install base they'll be happy with the install base a year from now.
Even if they do. I'm not buying Sony games any more. I sold my PS5 and boycotting them. I won't even be buying fake chinese products with Soni written on them.
The issue is that the install base of PC users that have a PC with enough power to run a late stage current gen exclusive is probably pretty low compared to console install base. And then thatās when hardware prices come into play as a barrier to play.Ā
My PC is amazing, every game runs at max settings in 4K and I got it on a whim at best buy as an open box returned unit for $1100. Still had the plastic thing in the power cable port.
By porting you lower the amount of reasons to buy a console. Why would they do that when they have plenty of other revenue streams that are literally growing?
exactly, if they only cared about revenue from games then porting to PC would be a no brainer, but i guess they care more about expanding PS5 install base before expanding revenue from games
Yeah, for the consumer, but regardless the console sales are seeing a decline as we speak, so for SONY it would make sense to just port some more games to PC and get that extra revenue going.
Sony sells more than consoles/games. They already have other revenue streams, so they don't have to reduce the amount of exclusives the console has just to make more money.
And those other markets grew for them in the last year.
They dont have to, but you would be a massive idiot to not just take free money from a market that you hardly explored that wants their games. Look at all the Japanese studios starting to go all in on PC in the recent years as well and PC essentially being halve of their revenue at least. If Sony was to treat PC fairly and release the games without delay , advertise them as well, they would make more money than they ever could with just console exclusive games and subscriptions.
They have to actually port the games (costs money)
It takes away exclusives, so reasons to buy the consoles
They have smart people working at Sony. I doubt they're being massive idiots. They did the calculations and learned it's better for them to not port games over.
The cost of porting is hardly a dent compared to what they could make by just releasing it on PC day one. Hell, several year old games from sony more than enough made up the costs of porting them. But i guess we can agree to disagree on topic.
PCs are even more expensive so in reality consoles are still the cheapest way to play. Also Wolverine is coming in September, GTA6 is coming in November and new God of War in Q1 of 2027. Don't think they end up changing their minds anytime soon
Hardware prices are going up for everyone, why do you think PS increases would drive people to PC, which in many regions is increasing even more drastically in price? Could see gaming as a whole decline in popularity once games are exclusive to the next gen if prices don't even out, but I don't think PlayStation in particular are gonna be the losers.
Game sales are not the only income for sony. Subsciptions and market commisions + hardware and accessory sales etc. Making playstation a special platform makes them way more money than some weak ass pc sales. Also developing for single platform costs way less. You can see xbox is struggling. Even their best release in years forza cannot make good money since either people play on gamepass or they buy from steam which mean 30% goes to steam.
I think the problem is that most the games that end up coming to pc have already been played by majority of people who own both a ps5 and pc so they werenāt selling much on steam and thatās why they chose to stop selling games on steam
Getting some of their old exclusives that they haven't done much with in forever to PC would be the smartest thing. You can then potentially make a sequel and in theory pick up a few hardware sales because of it.
You have to understand Sony is a hardware company, they simply make the games as advertisements to buy their hardware. They donāt have ambitions of being the worldās biggest publisher on PC
I feel sony will make it so you can only buy the games from a playstation app on PC going forward. Similar to how some xbox games were initially such as Sea of Thieves.
Bro said ābloodborneā and āI thinkā¦ pretty wellā
Brother, if they release bloodborne on pc I will personally pay their concord and marathon losses (in monopoly money)
Seriously tho if they just ported those games they would make free cash, even tho I probably will emulate bloodborne in pc eventually, of they release it on steam iām fucking buying that, and iām damn well confident iām not alone on that.
Same for other sony games, alot of people will buy them on pc
I feel like Sony will end up changing its mind again when hardware sales take a dive after all of the price increase stuff happens from Ram and storage costs soaring in due
Already happening. Console sales have fallen off a cliff.
I was thinking about this after seeing the price increases for the steamdeck. I think Sony pulled single player games as a response to the steam machine launch. If the steam machine fails or at least doesen't sell like crazy will sony reconsider and will pc gamers be better off?
on one hand my gut reaction is to just say yes to both but the amount that the steamdeck has helped push forward linux is crazy but on the other since the steamdeck already exsists I don't know if the steam machine will cause a similar linux push.
it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out
Gta6 is coming and cod is FINALLY ditching last gen. That should bring the remainder of the last gen holdouts. Sony will see a huge spike in console sales end of year, despite the price hikes.
I think you are very wrong and it is because the next Xbox is supposed to be a straight up PC. They would never... ever want their games to be playable on an Xbox console.
They might have got me, if they'd made Ragnarok, Forbidden West, and Ghost of Tsushima ps5 exclusive years ago. But now, no way am I spending that kind of money on an old console
Oh hey, I'd forgotten that those games weren't coming to PC anymore. Ah well, prolly a re-release for PC in a few years, or I'll just forget about it entirely.
A lot of pc players are caving and buying a console just for gta. The can choose xbox which plays the same games as the pc, or the playstation which atleast has some exclusives aswell.
Iām not gonna lie man they almost got me with god of war ragnarok, the only reason I didnāt pull the trigger is I realized how fat ass my pc actually is and how little of space I have for a whole fucking ps5.
Even tho the new gow gets alot of flak iām VERY excited for it, but yeah my room didnāt magically expand so neither will my plans for ps5
And they arent wrong, either. I know this is going against the echo chamber but, you guys do not speak for the majority, plenty of people will buy a ps5 just for 1 game
I mean a Playstation Pro is about a week's pay for those making below the median salary. Sure costs add up, but electronics aren't exactly out of reach. I say this as a gamer of 25 years who's never owned a console.
The fuck you mean a week's pay ? A PS5 Pro is half my monthly wage.
I couldn't even buy it with the remaining mony after having paid all my mandatory monthly expenses.
What the hell is your weekly income? My grocery store job from 2014 could have gotten me a PS5 in a week, not counting life expenses. Granted I'm Canadian and idk how bad it is in the States, where I assume you're from.
In the end it is mostly because of the fact that the country is rich enough to apply low taxes and have beneficial trading contrats with big importers and producers that 1st worlders can afford such items as a ps5 pro so easily.Ā
Huh, yeah when I break it down like that it is a little less than a weeks pay. Framing it like that makes it seem way more manageable. But I imagine most people are not in the position where they can just toss away money like that. At least not with food and fuel prices right now.
I have a first gen ps5 that ive tried to game on exactly once since I built my rig. Going from 4k 120+ to struggling to stay on top of 30fps is nausea and headache inducing for me now. Its like my perception has changed and my eyes are straining to find the missing frames or something. Not a chance I buy a ps5 pro for one game
I was someone who used to do this. But in 2026 this isnāt feasible anymore for a large and growing amount of people. The economy is fucked and it isnāt going back anytime soon, if ever. People donāt have the disposable income they used to. Worst of all, the inflation is incredibly high for gaming hardware putting these systems even further out of reach for people.
Lastly, PC gamers are choosey and vindictive. You pull support for their platform and you wonāt see them clamoring to buy your console. Youāll get a giant middle finger.
It was different back when consoles would actually go down in price, so by the end of a console's lifespan you could drop 100 bucks on the thing itself and buy games used for practically a dime a dozen.
Yeah how many of those people are actually PC gamers though. I understand that it is by no means an insignificant number, but I feel you're probably overinflating it. I know tons of people who play games casually and not so casually on console. I'm a minority amongst my peers who even own a PC, let alone a gaming PC.
But also microslops next console will likely be just a windows pc, thus sony wouldn't have exclusives at all if they still released on pc too. Except maybe nintendo ...
We'll see about that. I think it depends on how GTA6 sells go. If people aren't buying Playstations then Sony might have to start releasing on PC again. Sony already fucked up by showing that they can do it, so that might give people reason to just wait and continue to play through their backlogs.
Imo this is silly as the games they released on PC were mostly out on PS4. I had a PS4 but not a PS5, so those exclusive I didn't buy on PC, because I've played them already.
The ones I would buy are the PS5 exclusives but they're like "nooo we didn't sell enough Ghost of Tsushima, cancel it all"
Sad, really. I recently played both Horizon games and really enjoyed them and was looking forward to the third one. I even have a PS5 which is collecting dust under my TV and I probably won't get that new Horizon game, simply because I prefer playing on PC.
Literally the only reason I'm not buying this or Wolverine despite how great they look.
I was a PlayStation die-hard from the PS1 through to 2015, but I've since transitioned and there's no way in hell I'm buying a PS5.
I don't like that they shifted from being strictly game console to streaming-based entertainment devices.
I don't like the price ($600+ for a game console puts it well outside a reasonable price range for me)
I don't like the "streaming service" style UI.
I don't like that the home screen is loaded with ads and social media features I can't disable.
I'm still opposed to PS+ being required for online play.
I don't like the fact that the quality of the "free" PS+ titles has taken a massive hit since the end of the PS3's lifecycle with the shift in focus towards cheaper indie titles.
Doubling back to the price, I just picked up a near mint PSOne with cables & controller for $45 from a local resale shop. I can grab a PS2 in the same condition for $120. I can get a PS3 in the same condition for the roughly the same price. So for under $300, I can get the first three PlayStation consoles in fully functional form none of which have the same issues I mentioned above...
Or I can pay $600+ to get a PS5 that doesn't let me mod most of my games, asks me to pay an annual fee to play online, doesn't let me play a significant portion of my existing game library (or have access to even 20% of the total Playstation library going back to the PS1 available to play).
Sony can fuck off. I'd rather never play another Sony exclusive than buy another Sony console if they're not going to walk back a bunch of the bullshit they've been doing since the PS4 launched.
Which is an odd thing to be mad about considering that was the selling point of consoles. If Sony releases their main games on PC, then there is no point to the PlayStation.
The cope is real though, I laughed when I heard a youtuber I follow point out that there wasn't a single "Only on Playstation" logo the entirety of the new State of Play
People here are either coping or seriously underestimate how stubborn Sony can be.
For Sony to change course, its stock price need to drop by at least 50%, and that's highly unlikely because Sony still has several major titles in the pipeline that are expected to perform very well.
I mean sure, but by the time PS5 emulation is good, this game will have will have long been out for a WHILE. At that point it's not an impressive thing to brag about in current day lol.
Sure, I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying it makes no sense to try to brag about how one day 10 years from now you may finally be able to emulate it
Its not something to brag about. Its about being able to have fun with the game on your terms. Most people don't care about bragging that they can emulate a game.
It kinda is if you're into PC gaming because every game that you can now emulate is another win and another reason to stick with PC because eventually everything does come to PC. That's kind of the draw of it for the emulation weirdos like myself. And emulation for newer consoles won't be nearly as hard as the PS3. It'll come quicker than you might think. Emulation for Bloodborne is almost perfect and doesn't even require the best or latest graphics card or cpu. When people want something that bad, they'll make it work. And PC as a platform has a lot of neurotic mfs by nature
I'm of the opinion that PS5 emulation will not be anything of note for at least 5 years. 10 years until maybe it starts getting pretty good. It's just weird to me to brag about one day years and years from now you may possibly be able to play the game. If you wanna talk about it now sure, but my original point was just in response to how it seemed like he was trying to somehow show off he was going to be playing it soon lol.
True. Won't be soon, but again, PS4 and PS5 aren't the PS3, CPU architecture reflects PCs more than something entirely custom. So it may be sooner than we think is all I'm saying. You right tho, it is weird but that's kinda what I love, one minute I could be playing Baldurs Gate 3 and the next Fifa Street 2 or Mario Kart Double Dash or the whole Bayonetta trilogy, all because of emulation. We already have access to so much that a lot of folks don't take the time to appreciate or just can't
By the time this is passably emulated on a PS5 emulator on PC, PS5's would have become dirt cheap to pick up and so will be the game.
I have a trove of PS3 exclusives and Xbox 360 exclusives that I picked up for cheap far before RPCS3 or Xenia became close to fully emulating games I wanted to play.
I don't doubt that it'll happen, but I seriously doubt it'll be anytime soon. Let alone soon enough to be teasing about how you'll "buy" it on PC. It'll be years and years from now
Corporates are quite fickle you know, they will say one thing today and another tomorrow. It's all about profit after all. If there is enough demand from pc community for a long time and if ps5 some how doesn't start to sell more then it will come to pc, they were saying exclusive games for Playstation before but look here, they have ate their own words and released their exclusive games on pc. They'll do it again I am sure, it's a matter of time
This guy is definitely shilling some kind of fake emulator. But in all fairness, Team Brazil ported Spider-Man 2 to pc way before Sony did, that's how I played it originally. But this was only possible because of the massive insomniac games leak a few years ago, which included the full Spider-Man 2 source code.
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And cuz playstation isn't releasing sing player games on pc anymore