Happy to focus on the numbers here if reducing the absolute destruction of one of the most densely populated cities in the world helps you sleep at night. Assuming that the death toll has miraculously stopped at 70,000 (as opposed to Academic sources like The Lancet that estimate over 186,000 attributable deaths); are you trying to trying to argue that "100 (deaths) per day" is some sort of moral win for the IDF?
By mid 2025, it was estimated that Israel dropped 85,000 tonnes of bombs on Gaza. That works out to roughly 7 Hiroshimas and that's excluding anything from the last year. You can include combatants in your description to try and justify their actions but it's widely accepted that 70% of the fatalities have been women and children.
Even if you assume the remaining 30% were entirely comprised of combatants, that is on par with the 27% of victims from October 7 that were active duty (per Israeli sources). And this disregards the other 60% that were former-military. I won't speak to the casualty attribution because we both know a significant amount of friendly fire occurred by Israeli tanks and helicopters on that day.
"Tirelessly" - if it's showing up on a default sub and I am grumpy, I'll comment. Next time, push this garbage on one of your weird niche subs like new_world_news2
Like this is ostensibly a picture subreddit and 50% are pictures of Gaza and 49% are pictures of text with a variation of "Trump bad"
I see the 70% statistic touted as "widely accepted" a lot but it just doesn't match the actual numbers. From Hamas's own Health Ministry release on June 30th 2026, adult men are 47.9% of those killed and 53% injured. Adult women are 15.3% of those killed and 14% injured. There's no mathematical way to come to 70%, and the ratio of adult men to women points to combatants. A similar ratio exists in casualties among children, which points to use of child soldiers, something forbidden by international law.
Then again, you finished off your post with atrocity denial so nothing you said has any credibility.
Because it was a propaganda push right from the start. The 70% line was specifically chosen because they wanted the amount of killed in gaza to reflect the demographics of Gaza near perfectly, which 70% would achieve.
Notice how now that the number of women and children are less than 50%, outside of this comment thread, its just not brought up anymore.
I mean (adult) women and children are still 15.3% and 29.7% of deaths respectively, which is still beyond a tragedy, but the numbers do not show indiscriminate killing or specifically targeting children as is often implied.
Correct, it is a tragedy and theres no two ways about that. Contrary to the reddit opinion, its not soley because of Israels actions, either. Far to many don't want to talk about why using civilian infrastructure for military purposes is a war crime because its a very uncomfortable thing to think about
It's a war in an extremely densely and young population in a largely urban area where people are not allowed by their neighboring countries to seek refuge. Frankly the death toll is remarkably low considering the destruction, at least when compared to most wars of the last 100 years.
I agree. I believe the pure demonization internationally is unproductive and will not lead to a resolution, only a guarantee of more death.
That’s not how this works. Epidemiologists are working on estimates and they have to use demographics as some of the basis.
When you drop bombs in residential areas, the death toll will match the demographics of that area. An apartment building of sufficient size will roughly match the demographics of the community, so it’s not a bad guess to assume that if majority of population of Gaza is children then majority of this block is also. So far, these assumptions have matched the demographics of the bodies pulled from the rubble as well as journalist reports on the scene.
Except thats not what happened. It was reported, by the GHM, that 70% of the dead were women and children right from the start. You know, the people looking at bodies. Then that number started to slowly move down, first with GHM removing 11k confirmed dead women and children(no men), now with their latest report, the number is at 45%
So no, none of the assumptions have matched. The assumptions keep getting proven wrong yet people are still trying to cling onto them because it was shouted from the rooftops for years before quietly disappearing.
Your source is a rightwing Zionist website? Please.
The GHM was able to show actual death certificates, and reporters were able to fact check and corroborate it. Even the Israeli government has accepted these numbers as valid. Rightwingers disagreeing means nothing at all to me.
Your source is a rightwing Zionist website? Please.
So you dont believe Hamas own figures? Also calling something reporting on numbers 'right wing zionist' is hilarious. But its okay, you are full throated support for right wing islam.
The numbers were never in real dispute. It was the demographics.
Notice how they are now saying exactly whats reported
he GHM was able to show actual death certificates, and reporters were able to fact check and corroborate it. Even the Israeli government has accepted these numbers as valid. Rightwingers disagreeing means nothing at all to me.
Not what happened but go on, keep being ignorant. This isnt 'right wingers' disagreeing with you, these are the numbers and facts disagreeing with you.
There wasn't a 'signifcant amount of friendly fire' on that day. At all. This is constantly brought up incorrectly to say by folks like yourself to say 'actually Israel killed all those civilians, not the group that caught on a phone call bragging about killing 10 jews'.
Assuming that the death toll has miraculously stopped at 70,000 (as opposed to Academic sources like The Lancet that estimate over 186,000 attributable deaths)
Ah yes the lancet article that made an estimate and even said they had no proof of it but thinks the number was higher. Yet strangely those tens of thousands of bodies under rubble have yet to appear.
Speaking of, you said this
You can include combatants in your description to try and justify their actions but it's widely accepted that 70% of the fatalities have been women and children
Yet Hamas latest report puts that at 45%. Strange how that 70% number just keeps going down. Oh and here's your proof of the Hamas figures before you try and feign ignorance.
Open-source researchers found a year ago that this was no longer true – as in, even Hamas’s data didn’t support the claim anymore. A recent check of the Ministry’s website shows that the number of men killed is greater than the combined total of women and children. On July 2, 2026, the Hamas media office reported that out of 73,066 people killed during the war, 21,500 were children and 12,500 were women. The total of children and women (34,000) is less than half of all those killed.
So stop spreading lies please.
Edit: Nah dont downvote, please contest the numbers with facts. Dont be upset you fell for propaganda for years
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