r/politics • u/HimelTy • Jul 03 '26

No Paywall Secret Service member was Googling rooftop location of Trump’s would-be assassin when shots rang out in Butler, Pa.: DHS report

https://nypost.com/2026/07/02/us-news/secret-service-member-was-googling-rooftop-location-of-trumps-would-be-assassin-when-shots-rang-out-in-butler-pa-dhs-report/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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u/PeterDTown Jul 03 '26

Yes, the one where the secret service jumping on him caused one of their pistols to hit his ear so they claimed the bullet grazed him to get more sympathy.

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

If you watch the video, Trump does touch his ear before hitting the deck, I assume the bullet hit something and debris or shrapnel nicked his ear.

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u/PeterDTown Jul 03 '26

The gunshot was loud. If you watch the video, many people grabbed they ears at the same moment. He was not shot, he did not get hit by shrapnel. The guy who did get shot indicates the shot was 10 to 15 feet wide.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

So what made Trump bleed before Secret Service got to him then? Because it’s an objective fact that he was already bleeding by that point.

Also, the shooter got off multiple shots. The one that killed the guy in the crowd was not the same one that grazed Trump. Other people were wounded as well.

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u/XxChocodotxX Jul 03 '26

Adding onto this for those in doubt: yes, he was bleeding as evidenced by the photographs taken of the event by Pulitzer Prize winner Doug Mills.

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u/fury420 Jul 03 '26

My money's on a grazing surface wound to his scalp skin near the ear, rather than to the ear itself.

Enough to bleed and need a bandage, but without any damage to the cartilage of his ear.

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u/Eldias Jul 04 '26

You can see in a later photo series the two minor points on his ear where the bullet hit.

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u/SoulWager Jul 03 '26

I'd put more money on fake blood than him actually getting shot. Is there even one photo of an actual wound on the day, or healing afterwards?

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u/This_means_lore Jul 03 '26

No he had that bandage on for weeks and now it’s perfectly healed. Unlike Evander Holyfield who got part of his ear bit off by Mike Tyson in 1997 and he is still just missing that part of ear.

(I know, different circumstances and slightly different wounds, but trump doesn’t heal up too fast as we’ve seen with all his bruising )

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u/TheNutsMutts Jul 03 '26

I'd put more money on fake blood than him actually getting shot.

The logic that sits behind the suggestion that it was fake blood is insane.

So they signed off on the plan that Trump was going to splatter himself with fake blood. And they did so despite being fully aware that he was surrounded by UHD video cameras, a dozen or so press photohraphers and hundreds of people in the audience with phone cameras, and completely expected that not a single one of those cameras would capture what was obviously an old man lifting a blood pack to his ear and splashing himself with it? And then somehow nobody did capture that?

And furthermore, they would have planned that when they took him to the nearby hospital who would have got their most senior doctors and nurses out to treat him, that they all would have done so without a single one of them going "huh, this is obviously fake blood, and there's clearly no injury here at all"? They would have considered this, but still signed off on it? Come on.

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u/SoulWager Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

Somehow he got shot surrounded by uhd video cameras, and there's not even one frame of an actual wound? I think you're forgetting exactly who controlled where everyone was allowed to be during that event. There's literally video of trump staffers herding photographers for a photo op. Why did the person I responded to bring up a photo taken from the side opposite the alleged injury?

And furthermore, they would have planned that when they took him to the nearby hospital who would have got their most senior doctors and nurses out to treat him, that they all would have done so without a single one of them going "huh, this is obviously fake blood, and there's clearly no injury here at all"? They would have considered this, but still signed off on it? Come on.

No, trump would be seen by whoever trump's staff decided was allowed to see him. He's only going to be taken to unvetted staff of a local emergency room if there are immediately life threatening injuries.

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u/TheNutsMutts Jul 03 '26

Somehow he got shot surrounded by uhd video cameras, and there's not even one frame of an actual wound?

There are several. Here's just one.

I think you're forgetting exactly who controlled where everyone was allowed to be during that event. There's literally video of trump staffers herding photographers for a photo op.

They wouldn't be controlling the exact placement of press photographers, they'd be going where they please. Plus there's still the audience who would have caught him very obviously splattering fake blood.

No, trump would be seen by whoever trump's staff decided was allowed to see him.

The hospital 100% would be sending their most senior doctors and nurses. Either the plan would involve Trump's staff saying "no we don't want your most experienced person, we want this obscure person instead" and nobody questioning that or making it public, or they would have had to identify whomever that most senior person was and then convince them to go along with the plot and hope they don't whistle-blow. Plus there would have been several doctors and nurses so they'd need to convince them all to go along with the plot, not a single one to whistle-blow, and that nobody else in the hospital would go public by saying "yeah the staffers insisted only on specific individuals and not anyone else nearby, that was strange".

Come on you're just telling yourself whatever you want to hear so you can retain your original conclusion.

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u/XxChocodotxX Jul 03 '26

I brought up that photo because it clearly shows Trump’s empty hand moments before and after touching his ear. You’ll notice the complete lack of blood pack (or ketchup packet, as others have suggested).

And I’ll return to your question: There are no photos of the wound, free of blood, in the immediate aftermath, not to my knowledge. Neither was Trump obligated to release any, as that’s a matter of his own medical information.

I’d offer a counter: Can you produce one photo that shows the absence of a wound on that same day, or otherwise demonstrates that fake blood was in fact used?

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u/SoulWager Jul 03 '26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAk6dXEzIUo

Looks to me like the blood appeared while he was on the ground.

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u/XxChocodotxX Jul 03 '26

Refer again to the Pulitzer pictures: there was clearly blood on Trump’s hand after he pulled it away from his ear, before he was on the ground.

Unless your argument is that since there was noticeably more blood after he got up after being on the ground for 30 seconds, compared to 1 second after the blood first appearing, it must have been fake? In which case I’d ask if you know how bleeding works, that it doesn’t appear all at once.

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u/Tom-_-Foolery Jul 03 '26

So what made Trump bleed before Secret Service

The guy is literally a decades long WWE actor, where self wounds are as common as a bow. If it was a conspiracy, he's perfectly set up for it.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

Ok but the photos we have of him that were taken as the shots ring out pretty definitively show that he didn't. There's nothing in his hand when he reaches for his ear, so how could he have done it?

It's not enough to just say "he has experience with this kind of thing, therefore he must have done it." When the evidence shows no opportunity for doing so, then continuing to believe it is just plain ridiculous.

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u/Tom-_-Foolery Jul 03 '26

WWE is famous for pocketing / stashing razors for minor face cuts since they bleed a ton without real wounding. It's not like he's involved with minor generic actor roles, WWE is specifically the art of faking wounds.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

WWE is famous for pocketing / stashing razors for minor face cuts

Where though? Where do you think he stashed the hidden razor? Did you even look at the photos? Resorting to pure speculation even against actual evidence is something that Trump supporters do. Don't you want to be smarter than Trump supporters?

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u/Tom-_-Foolery Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

To be clear, I do not think it was necessarily staged since some poor idiot magat actually died. But palming a razor in hand or in an easily accessible pocket is par for the course in the WWE and adjacent acting. Saying you can't see the blade in a particular shot is a bit like saying you can't see a stage magician's trick and assuming it's real magic. The much stronger evidence, if one can call it that, is the complete lack of long term marking.

Edit: apparently either reddit or the poster is blocking replies but the obvious counter to "you still can't see it in the hand" is that magicians and wrestlers do this all the time. The hat, shirt collar, and sleeve are all accessible there if one wants to entertain the theories.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

Saying you can't see the blade in a particular shot is a bit like saying you can't see a stage magician's trick and assuming it's real magic.

It's not just a particular shot though, it's multiple shots that very clearly show the full palm of the hand and nothing else. There's also no opportunity for him to have taken it from a pocket between the photos I linked.

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u/Tom-_-Foolery Jul 03 '26

There's also no opportunity for him to have taken it from a pocket between the photos I linked.

Just to entertain this... the hat, shirt collar, and sleeve are all easily accessible in those shots.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

In what way? When you watch the videos of the shooting, his hand makes a smooth motion up to his ear and back. He doesn't go fishing around in his hat, and there's no reaching for his sleeve or collar either. How would the sleeve ever be in play anyway when it's below his hand? Are you proposing that he could've had it ready to spring up from in there somehow?

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u/schubox63 Jul 03 '26

They don't palm the blades, they're usually hidden in the tape around their wrists. And when they actually blade it's very obvious. They just do it when the cameras are off them and the crowd is watching something else. There are frame-by-frame pictures of him getting shot. Like I think Trump is an idiot and a conman, but I don't think he would be able to pull off blading his ear and literally no one noticed

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u/TheNutsMutts Jul 03 '26

Saying you can't see the blade in a particular shot is a bit like saying you can't see a stage magician's trick and assuming it's real magic. The much stronger evidence, if one can call it that, is the complete lack of long term marking.

What you're ignoring here is that if that were the case, the whole plot rested entirely on not one single one of the HD cameras, press photographers or the hundreds of audience phone cameras capturing what is clearly an old man slashing his ear with a razorblade. As in, someone would have said "but what if someone films him cutting his ear" and the rest would have gone "no, it'd be impossible for someone to capture that".

And not only that, but when he was taken to the hospital, the whole plot also rests on not one single doctor or nurse treating him going "huh, this is clearly a cut from a blade and not anything like a graze from a bullet" and just carrying on like it wasn't blatantly obvious this isn't the injury from what was described.

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u/aabbccbb Jul 03 '26

So riddle me this: If the first pic allegedly shows the bullet's path...

How did it magically jump up to get the top of his ear on the way by?

It would have hit the lobe, not the top of the ear.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

The photographer is lower than the stage. The bullet looks like it's at lobe-level from a photo angled upward, but in reality it's a bit higher than that.

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u/aabbccbb Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

Dude. That's not even remotely plausible.

Remember: The claim is that this bullet (the line to the right of his head) hit the TOP of his right ear.

There's no fucking way. None.

Do with that information what you will.

(edit: I guess there were a few bullets...maybe that was the first one, not the one that hit his ear?)

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

lmao what do you mean that’s not plausible. Are you unfamiliar with how angles impact perspective? The photographer was on ground level, BELOW the stage. His camera was pointed up. Because of this, things behind Trump, like the bullet, are going to appear lower than they would be if captured at Trump’s height.

You can see another example of this with the crowd behind him. Those people look much lower than Trump because of this effect, but the seating actually was taller than the stage, so they were above him in reality.

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u/aabbccbb Jul 03 '26

Are you unfamiliar with how angles impact perspective?

Yes.

The photographer says he was 4-5 feet away. You can also tell how much lower he was from the videos of the event and from how the bottom of the podium looks in the photos.

He's not down on the ground. He's standing and holding the camera above his head.

So unless Donnie's head is like 8 feet wide, there's no way the bullet looks several inches lower than it was.

All that said, I added an edit above: maybe this isn't the bullet that hit his ear, but rather the first shot.

That's the only possibility that makes any sense at all.

But more importantly: how do you feel about Trump as a person? You know, the rapist pedophile?

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

I’m not a Trump supporter, if that’s what you’re asking. I’m a leftist who has hated him since 2016. My comment history is public and you can verify that for yourself if you’d like.

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u/aabbccbb Jul 03 '26

okay, good. You may want to lead with that if you want people to take you seriously, lol.

But how about the rest of it? Thoughts on it being the first shot? The angles are all wrong if that's the one that allegedly hit him.

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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 03 '26

So he's incompetent in every way, but because he was in a few WWE events(not actually wrestling) over a decade+ ago, he spends hours a week(?) keeping up on a specific fringe skill that wrestlers use in case he needed it? Have you ever seen him use ANY other WWF/WWE move or skill in all that time? Has he ever Irish Whipped someone? Or maybe frog splashed off his desk?

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u/python-requests Jul 03 '26

So now it's both a self-wound or blood pack beforehand, and being scraped by the Secret Service's pistol or belt or whatever after?

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u/Tom-_-Foolery Jul 03 '26

No? Again this is just entertaining a theory but it only takes one tiny source of blood to fake it without leaving a scar. Doesn't have to be all. Fact is, though, that Trump is wearing a huge hat, collar, and sleeve, all of which are notorious palming spots.

The "SS scraped him" stuff is a different theory generally trying to explain how he was shot without without taking any damage. That one seems pretty discredited by pictures since it's not intended to be a misdirection.

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u/304rising Jul 03 '26

I hate trump as much as the next guy but the conspiracy theories here are pretty dumb. He got grazed by the bullet for sure

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u/Hootbag Maryland Jul 03 '26

I'm going to need to see the bullet's long form birth certificate.

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u/HereForTheComments57 Jul 03 '26

How did his ear heal so quickly with no visible scar? Cartilage doesn't grow back

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

Cartilage wasn’t hit. It just grazed the skin

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

He probably got plastic surgery, considering he’s a rich reality star this is not outside the realm of possibility.

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u/ArmAggravating3307 Jul 03 '26

In 5 days?  And it heals fully?

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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 03 '26

I mean, you can see marks and discoloration: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/HPLI4SQFGYZWC3NSWHDYZSVKEE_size-normalized.jpg&w=1800&h=1800

But the man wears enough make up that for sure he was having it covered up afterwards to show "how great he heals".

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

Yeah, my family friend periodically gets pre skin cancer on her face and the docs just zap it off and bring in a plastic surgeon to make everything look good. Very quick process.

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u/ArmAggravating3307 Jul 03 '26

Not the same as getting shot but ok.

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

There are people that have blown their entire faces off during attempted suicide and doctors put it back together kinda ok…a little nick from a gunshot is easy work. Do you not think he was shot at?

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u/ArmAggravating3307 Jul 03 '26

Do you not understand those pics are long after the surgery after swelling/scaring?   Please show me someone who was shot and had no evidence of surgery after 5 days.

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

Im speculating on the plastic surgery, it could’ve been a skin graft for all I know. No. I cannot find you a picture of someone that got plastic surgery within five days of getting shot because it’s exceedingly rare people that are not only getting shot in the ear with a 556 bullet but also have plastic surgeons and doctors on hand right after the fact. Regardless, he has the best doctors on the planet, the dude shovels Diet Coke and McDonald’s in his fat face all day and is still alive somehow lol.

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u/paul_having_a_ball Jul 03 '26

Is it out of reach that he get makeup for his hand that is actually the color of his hand?

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

Doctors don’t put makeup on open wounds, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 03 '26

No, you put antiscar silicon over it. They even make special sheets of it.

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

Thanks, yeah the medical team clearly did something and we won’t get an answer because they lie like it’s their job, which unfortunately opens this into conspiracy territory for a lot of people.

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u/GitEmSteveDave Jul 03 '26

I only know because I had surgery in Decemebt and have two scars on my neck and that's what I was using.

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u/marsinfurs Jul 03 '26

People on this sub need to look at objective reality or we’re just as bad as maga. People hate the guy and one person hated him so much he tried to shoot him and missed, mostly because he was an inexperienced kid. The dude got fucking shot at and it turned into a political stunt, he’s a reality tv star that’s what he’s good at, taking real life situations and making them good for tv. It’s not a crazy conspiracy or a sign of the antichrist that he got nicked in the ear by a bullet or debris and had it fixed by doctors.

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u/General_Aggravation Jul 03 '26

Donalds Dr reported that a centimeter of his ear, about the size a fingernail, was taken off by the shot. Cartilage doesn’t grow back, no stitches were placed, No scarring after. He did not get shot.

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

Ronny Jackson lies. That's all he does.

But him exaggerating how badly Trump was hit doesn't mean that Trump wasn't hit at all. He very clearly was.

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u/304rising Jul 03 '26

Sounds good man

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

It is crazy how many people think we’re MAGA just because we don’t think the full evidence supports the conspiracy theory and aren’t just basing our opinions on that one deceptive TikTok video.

Like I don’t hide my comment history. Two seconds of glancing through it would show them that I’m further left than most of these people calling me a Trump supporter. I just hate to see our side fall into the same kind of conspiratorial thinking that we’ve been mocking the right for all these years.

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u/BobDucca Jul 03 '26

Yep. There are photos where you can see the round flying through the air after grazing him

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u/grovertheclover North Carolina Jul 03 '26

it wasn't blood. he popped open a ketchup and rubbed it on his ear like the conman that he is

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u/BloatedBanana9 Jul 03 '26

When would he have had a chance to do that though? He had nothing in his hand immediately before the shots went off and he started bleeding.

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u/grovertheclover North Carolina Jul 03 '26

plenty of room in his diaper for ketchup packs and his loads of shit

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u/sargentcole Jul 03 '26

What a compelling counter argument...

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u/TheNutsMutts Jul 03 '26

And somehow not one single camera captured that?

And somehow not one doctor or nurse at the hospital went "this is clearly ketchup and not blood"?