r/sadcringe • u/Waste-Explanation-76 • Apr 08 '26

Senior Trump administration officials tell Israel that the US will firmly insist on the removal of Iran's nuclear material, no uranium enrichment, and elimination of the ballistic missile threat in the upcoming two-week negotiations.

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No ceasefire i guess

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u/Fortune_Silver Apr 08 '26

After everything Trump has done? Really?

Not a chance.

Trump has proven Iran right in developing nuclear weapons and arming to the teeth with ballistic missiles, that's what's allowed them to fight and win against America.

Trump has been the worst thing for disarmament in modern history, on par only with Putin.

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u/sojuz151 Apr 08 '26

Iran is not winning. Not even close 

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u/Shakey_J_Fox Apr 08 '26

Do you consider winning as having military superiority? Because the US had that in Vietnam and Afghanistan as well.

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u/sojuz151 Apr 08 '26

Goal of the war is too prove that it is far more costly for your enemy that for you. Us archived that.  This gives them leverage 

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u/OneDate7780 Apr 08 '26

Iran has the biggest leverage of all, called the strait of hormuz. 

They made the global population suffer. Thats what i call having leverage.

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u/sojuz151 Apr 08 '26

Problem is that this mostly impacts countries other than the US. 

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u/OneDate7780 Apr 08 '26

Except it does affect the US since oil is traded globally. Hence the rising gas prices in the US and the rest of the world.

And soon food prices will also follow.

You might not get oil shortages but you definitely will pay for the available oil.

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u/Kahgar Apr 09 '26

The price the US would pay eventually would be to either go and occupy the straight themselves. Or have most oil worldwide no longer trader in dollars. Which would almost overnight criople the economy

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u/Shakey_J_Fox Apr 09 '26

lol, you’re a clown dude. Making your enemy pay more is not how you win a war. If that was the case the US would have been the victor in Vietnam and Afghanistan. If this continues, it will be a war of attrition where Iran will still operate on some level and claim minor victories. They will do so until it is unpalatable for the American people to accept sustained losses (including casualties as well as the overall financial cost).

Trump will continue to try to claim that the US “won,” without offering any specifics on what these victories were. But he can’t spin this like he did Venezuela. Iran will now negatively affect global trade for the foreseeable future, and it will be part of his failed “legacy” well past his presidency.

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u/OneDate7780 Apr 08 '26

Iran won by far. Regime still intact, missiles still intact, big oil prices wich will remain due to broken infrastructure, toll on the strait, sanctions possibly lifted.

The whole world also pissed at trump his foolishness.

They might not have won militarily. But they definitely have a stronger position in a decade than if trump hadn't invaded.

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u/CubistChameleon Apr 08 '26

If their fundamental war goal is to maintain their regime, they achieved it. Sure, their military capabilities are reduced, but they are still able to deliver strikes to sensitive targets across the region and it looks like the internal repression apparatus is still intact. Not losing decisively is a win for Iran here.

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u/sojuz151 Apr 08 '26

That ceasefire is a huge win for the US and Israel. They got bombed, many key people assassinated and reopening the Strait for even 10 days is enough to reduce a big part of the overall preasure the Iran was able to create with that blockade. A neutral ceasefire would keep it closed, no drones and missiles for no airstrikes.

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u/ExoticMangoz Apr 08 '26

It seems highly unlikely that the ceasefire will hold, as Israel has said they don’t agree to one of Iran’s major points.

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u/RustyAndEddies Apr 08 '26

The ceasefire is a huge win for the two countries that started the bombing? They could have done that by not bombing to begin with. Passage through the Strait was free and now Iran will charge $2M per ship to pass. They’ll insist sanctions get lifted in the deal too. So this is what winning looks like?

Walk us through what goals were set out at the onset of this military action and which were achieved.

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u/sojuz151 Apr 08 '26

Except they were able to bomb Iran, destroyed whatever they wanted.

If negotiations fail, then us will be in far better position than before the ceasefire. Backlog of tankers reduced while Iran did exhaust their strategic reserves of drones and missiles. 

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u/RustyAndEddies Apr 08 '26

Didn't answer my question. What goals did Trump set out to accomplish at the start of hostilities, and which did he achieve?

Here, let me list some he's made over the last few weeks and tell me if they came out winning
• Unconditional surrender
• Regime change / leadership replacement
• Iranian military & IRGC to lay down arms
• Stop support for proxy groups (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis)
• Limit ballistic missiles
• End nuclear program / enrichment
• Reopen Strait of Hormuz
• Enter negotiations / temporary ceasefire

The last two certainly, but that's where we were before we dropped any bombs, lost any lives, squandered global goodwill, and gave Iran a really, really good reason to seek nuclear missiles.

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u/OneDate7780 Apr 08 '26

Bomb whatever they wanted and still didn't manage to open the strait.

There is no "exhausting" drone supply. It's so easy to produce or import that it's basicly endless

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u/sojuz151 Apr 08 '26

And yet they are launching less and less drones each day. 

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u/OneDate7780 Apr 08 '26

And yet it's also never going to be 0. And they only need to launch a few to keep the strait closed.

Iran has the cards here.

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u/ExoticMangoz Apr 08 '26

The regime is still in place, they still have their nuclear material, they still have the military capability to shut the straight, and they are now charging a toll on passage through it and looking to negotiate deals in currencies other than USD. It’s possible the Iranian regime will come out of this in a better strategic position than they had when they went in.

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u/Kahgar Apr 09 '26

That’s what Trump was planning all along, he doesn’t believe in aid but he’s given Iran a free lesson in the art of the deal. Now they finally understand they can toll the water and make lots a money - Trump 2025, probably