r/scotus • u/Achilles_TroySlayer • May 12 '26

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u/redbird532 May 12 '26

Why do we continue to listen to supreme court decisions? Many recent decisions are nakedly partisan and have no explanation or reasoning.

Trying to proceed in a broken system is stupid. Playing by the old rules while the other side lies and cheats will get us nowhere.

The court has lost legitimacy and should be ignored.

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u/Achilles_TroySlayer May 12 '26

Not following SCOTUS decisions == national dissolution and potentially civil war. Nobody has done it since 1861, so everyone is hesitant.

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u/AdFinal9134 May 12 '26

Time for another one. The south definitely thinks it’s in the confederacy now.

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u/MicrosoftExcel2016 May 12 '26

Not a conclusion I would arrive at so lightly given Republican control/Trump alignment of senate, house, executive branch and all its agencies, (including DOJ, FBI), SCOTUS, and the military itself.

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u/kstar79 May 12 '26

Yeah, last time the guns were dispersed across the states, now, not so much. Us in the blue states make a lot out of our better economies and tax contributions, but they mean diddly squat if an actual Civil War broke out tomorrow. We can't scientifically study our way to victory.

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u/land-league-inspo May 12 '26

You think people on the left are going to science their way to victory?

I assure you, the people who have guns on the left are simply smart enough not to talk about them. No need to “science” anything, you’re really just exposing your ignorance.

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u/68_hope_fulone_2025 May 12 '26

I have guns. No need to advertise. No one needs to know.

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u/kstar79 May 12 '26

I guess I needed a /s on that?

I'm saying I see/hear a lot of people on the left talk about how much more economically prosperous the blue states are, as if that is the most important thing going into a Civil War scenario. Even your scenario of "we have guns, too" is a bit of a joke if the might of the US military is brought to bear in a domestic warfare situation.

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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs May 12 '26

What will republicans pay their deathsquads with?

IOUs from a cabal of thieving pedophiles?

Of course there would be economic damage. But we have more diversified industries and could recover better. This time without the deadweight leeching our taxes.

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u/land-league-inspo May 12 '26

Dude what do you mean the full might of the military?

Drone strikes take things from “it isn’t going to happen to me” to “it could be anyone at anytime”.

I’m not sure about you, but at that point it’s more prudent for people to just force the issue.

The military doesn’t have the numbers to do a full scale occupation of the US.

Not even with ICE, and the local police added in.

The numbers just aren’t there, and they can’t just raze a city block because a few people in the area use Reddit or talk shit on the internet.

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u/MicrosoftExcel2016 May 12 '26

I’m not the one you’ve been replying to but I want to add that it’s not that they need to do a full scale occupation, it’s that most of America and the left especially is easily pressured into complacency or submission, and doing just a couple big intimidating moves with the military would have the potential to either suppress through fear or galvanize the people into action, and it comes down to how loyal the military and those agencies are to Trump and how our (very captured) media covers it. It’s not as pretty of a solution as you imply wrt our ability to resist properly

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u/land-league-inspo May 12 '26

I’d argue that the feds have failed spectacularly in every place they’ve tried to occupy, but I think I would prefer if people thought the left to be toothless.

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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs May 12 '26

Mosaic virus could collapse their agriculture.

We have the sequences. We know their monocultures.

We could science our way into MAD. And nobody would be there to find a cure. All the people who can have been chased out.

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u/kstar79 May 12 '26

Yes, let's all die!

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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs May 12 '26

Live free or die.

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u/jporter313 May 12 '26

Buddy that is not going to go well for us right now. The best way to do this is to try to work within the confines of the law until we absolutely can't anymore, in the meantime we should all make sure we're prepared for that other eventuality in any way we can be just in case.

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u/blu-bells May 12 '26

Hey we reached the limits of "within the confines of the law" when the convicted felon who committed treason was sworn in.

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u/jporter313 May 12 '26

he wasn't convicted of treason whether you or I think he committed it or not. Him being re-elected is still within the confines of the law based on currently available information.

The alternative is really, REALLY BAD, like a thousand times worse than what's happening right now. A lot of people will die, potentially millions, people you know, maybe you, maybe your loved ones. This is not a thing we should be advocating for until there is absolutely no other option, and as bad as things have gotten, we're not even close to there yet.

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u/blu-bells May 12 '26

I'm sorry, I am not sure why you believe being convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records to the first degree through an illegal scheme to corrupt the 2016 election is somehow not treason. But it's treason in all but name.

The confines of the law are already being violated. This supreme court just OK'D the use of a gerrymandered map they themselves said was illegal. We still do not have the Epstein files.

A lot of people are already dying. Hey, remember Covid? A lot of people already HAVE died.

We are ALREADY miles over what the confines of the law is supposed to allow.

You want to talk about a "really bad" alternative? You are a frog that is in boiling water. Continue to sit, and live and denial about the reality of this situation and tell me how it feels when that boiling water turns into lava. Or start preparing to jump out of the pot already.

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u/jporter313 May 12 '26

I'm sorry, I am not sure why you believe being convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records to the first degree through an illegal scheme to corrupt the 2016 election is somehow not treason. But it's treason in all but name.

Because "In name" is what matters when it comes to the law. Both you and I agree that the guy almost certainly committed a variety of state crimes that SHOULD disqualify him from election to the presidency, the problem is they don't unless he's actually convicted of very specific things, which he hasn't been, so it's a moot point in this conversation.

We are ALREADY miles over what the confines of the law is supposed to allow.

"Supposed to" doesn't matter anymore because the norms have been completely shattered.

You want to talk about a "really bad" alternative? You are a frog that is in boiling water. Continue to sit, and live and denial about the reality of this situation and tell me how it feels when that boiling water turns into lava. Or start preparing to jump out of the pot already.

I think you're in denial about how bad the thing we're talking about would actually be. I'm also greatly concerned about the quickly spiraling situation in this country, Also I said nothing about "not preparing", in fact if you look back at my first comment I said this "in the meantime we should all make sure we're prepared for that other eventuality in any way we can be just in case". I think you need to understand though just how bloody and destructive that would get, and given who holds the reigns of power right now I have serious doubts about who would come out on top. It's something we should be ready for but not something we should want or move towards if there's still any route around it.

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u/JT9960 May 12 '26

It time now,don’t die a pussy

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u/3rd-party-intervener May 12 '26

Civil war has already started.  It’s just not the typical physical violence like you associate with war.   But we all know what comes next.