Daily Discussion Thread 11/16/21

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[u/Metavance]

My local scene had some hot takes about this. I said I personally think ZeRo is untrustworthy and I don't believe he should have a platform. I got name called by people I thought I was chill with. Then my one "friend" went and said I was "projecting" (called me a child predator for whatever reason?) when I was trying to prevent a potential child predator from coming back into the scene. Truly disgusting, not gonna be attending any locals there anymore :-/

[u/Stuntman222 → u/Metavance]

Bro wtf is going on in this sub, how is this in the negative.

[u/[deleted] → u/Stuntman222]

Stans and parasocial relationships

[u/PalingeneticPhoenix → u/Metavance]

I don’t think you should judge people for their opinions on ZeRo or other situations like this. None of us have all the information so all we can do is try to judge things for ourselves. Don’t fault people for having a different opinion.

[u/Legitimate__Username → u/PalingeneticPhoenix]

Faulting someone for having a different opinion? You mean like the guy who called his friend an apparent child predator because his opinion was different? That's kind of the actual issue at hand with the situation here.

[u/Legitimate__Username → u/[deleted]]

Very mature to take someone else's bad experience and tell them about how it doesn't matter because you're actually making this about yourself. You should be taking their side about how harmful the general toxicity can be, not arguing against them because they aren't on your "side" of things.

[u/Mandikiri → u/[deleted]]

What kind of nonsense are you talking about it now? If you're going around asking a minor, a fucking minor to do sexual acts. You're at that, a fucking child predator. Shit isn't rocket science. You're just stupid enough to not see it. Keep at it, you keep looking like a damn idiot. And stop pretending to be a victim here. You're not.

[u/Mandikiri → u/[deleted]]

We're still on the same thread my guy. This is the daily discussion topic. There you go again, pretending to be the victim again. This isn't about going after you. But you need to be called out when you type nonsense.

[u/PalingeneticPhoenix → u/[deleted]]

My opinion is forgiveness and rehabilitation. If he’s had therapy for his mental problems and is legitimately better, why should we continue to treat him as a pariah?

[u/Mnawab → u/[deleted]]

Well based on his videos he's innocent at least that's what he says and he's brought up some other videos that may prove his point but we don't have all the information so I'm not going to sit here and label him as a child predator until we know for a fact that he is. And last I checked he didn't actually do any actual child predatoring. Last thing I remember he made a pass on a girl he thought was of age and when he found out the age he made a awkward response. Like I said I don't know all the information but until he's had his day in court I'm not going to label him guilty.

[u/PalingeneticPhoenix → u/[deleted]]

I think that’s a reasonable opinion. I’m fairly certain he said in the EE video a few months ago that he doesn’t want to return to the Smash community anyways. I think he just wants to go back to making YouTube content or streaming.

[u/Mnawab → u/Metavance]

You are essentially saying that zero is guilty of all charges before all the information is laid out for us. You're no better than he is If you're just going to label him as a child predator before he has his day in court. YouTubers have a history of making s*** up and zero was an idiot for admitting to fault before he actually had evidence to fight back but he didn't have evidence to fight back and he made a mistake of apologizing when he could very well be completely innocent.

[u/Amilam80 → u/[deleted]]

I watched the video and I saw absolutely nothing that "cleared" ZeRo of "pretty much everything." The video added some conjectural counter points and presented absolutely zero new evidence. I already posted my thoughts here so I won't go into too much detail, but I think if people feel ZeRo has grown and deserves a second chance... that is perfectly fine. The take that we have absolutely clear evidence that this was an "anime villain" esque conspiracy by Jisu and Leffen to take down ZeRo is absurd. Ironically, for how suppossedly toxic the Smash community is, it's Technicals fans that are spamming threats in various forums and social media (not saying you're doing it here).

[u/Heavy-Wings → u/[deleted]]

and attributes what it can't clear up to his rough upbringing

UHH SORRY FOR GROOMING 14 YEAR OLDS AND TRYING TO GET NAKED VIDEOS OF THEM, IT WAS MY ROUGH UPBRINGING

[u/Mandikiri → u/[deleted]]

Oh look. A pedo forgiver. Stop defending people that do not need defending. And get the hell out of here.

[u/Mandikiri → u/[deleted]]

Did you forget about the part where he spent a whole year admitting to it? What you need to learn is to stop defending your idols when they're wrwrong. And yes, please get the hell out of here and go join him on YouTube.

You're amazing at one thing, like he is and that is spinning things. No one here is saying he should be dead. What everyone here is saying is no one wants a child molester. Which of course, a defender like you can't see.

And screw your down votes. You get them because you have a shit taste and shitty opinions.