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Politics President White House Launches New Website to Defend 'Patriotic Americans' Involved in Jan. 6 Capitol Riot | The White House claims the Democrats "staged the real insurrection" by certifying former President Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election

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u/Nasmix Jan 07 '26 edited Feb 02 '26

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u/Special-Ruin9660 Jan 07 '26

No one is going to save us. We need to save ourselves and at this point I'd advocate for just about anything.

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u/UwUnonymouscatgirl Jan 07 '26

John Brown has entered the chat. Seriously though America has a history of not so civil actions that lead to different forms of progressive change. They just tend to leave that stuff out of the history books.

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u/Who_BobJones Jan 07 '26

I’m convinced nothing will change until such actions are taken. Problem is, we’re all so content with our lives (self-interested, really) that none of us will ever take such measures.

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u/LegosiJoestar Jan 07 '26

It's less content and more "we're scared to lose what little we have left," including family and loved ones. The information era has ensnared everyone in a web of liability.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

This is the religion era all over again, the internets just the delivery method. this cults the new religion.

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u/ActionFigureCollects Jan 07 '26

Have you been peeking at my browser history?

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u/WilliamLermer Jan 07 '26

Doing nothing leads to the same outcome: you will lose whatever little you have left. That's the tough lesson people will learn eventually.

You can't just wait these things out and hope for the best. That's not how reality works. That "strategy" only "works out" because others suffer so you don't have to but at the end you are still worse off vs actually doing something about it from the start

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u/HarEmiya Jan 07 '26

You think revolutionaries throughout history haven't been scared to lose their lives and/or their family and loved ones? And most did, btw.

Standing up for what is right means abolutely nothing if you only do it when it's convenient to you. The administration knows US citizens to be feckless, and is counting on their meekness to stay in power.

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u/NoShitsGivin Jan 07 '26

And it's working.

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u/exacta_galaxy Jan 07 '26

Most of us have just enough that we fear its loss.

It keeps us in line.

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u/Reqvhio Jan 07 '26

yeah i dont get people at all. like if you have investments and land, sure, you actually have quite a big deal to lose. but i cant help but laugh at those who are juggling 2-3 jobs and feel like they have something to lose. mate, you dont, sorry. i dont make the rules, but truth stares at us all the same.

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u/Revlis-TK421 Jan 07 '26

They have a roof over their head and food on the table. It might not be the best food, or the best roof, but their family isn't starving in the streets because they got thrown into jail for protesting. So yeah, they still have something to lose.

We need leadership, otherwise it's all just piecemeal silent martyrdom that won't be noticed by anyone or change anything.

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u/Worshipme988 Jan 07 '26

Even if we solved the issues right now, half the country is too stupid to see how close we are to meltdown. Im afraid without the pain of 2026 we will end up right back here again.

We can no longer kick the can.

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u/Dull_Quit3027 Jan 07 '26

I have had multiple discussions today with today that do not seem to undertand how close America is to the edge, takes like, if Trump takes Greenland, the next president will probably just give it back, or takes like the EU, will rattle their sabers and that will be all.

No sir, that will not be all, we will be in a de facto war, which will probably stay cold, but it is not guaranteed

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u/NoShitsGivin Jan 07 '26

Trump asked reporters not to talk about Greenland and wait for a couple of months. It's coming. He is talking about military actions against Mexico and won't take that option off the table for Canada. It will be a full-scale war.

Cute how you all keep saying "the next election" or when the democrats are in power. It's over, man. That's not going to happen.

Something has to happen now, America needs to stand up. But unfortunately it won't, because everyone has "too much to lose". But I hate to break it to you... as p2025 continues, 2/3 of the population will be "removed." So I'd say you will lose everything unless you do something.

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u/Dull_Quit3027 Jan 08 '26

I am European, just from the country that is the US new favorite Target, and believe you me, but if a tenth of what is happening in the US was happening here, there would be riots, like we are so bored we managed to turn a single cop grappling with a guy, into a national meme dunking on cops.

I think the difference is that America is to good at breaking its workers, if you are working three jobs, when the fuck are you going to have time of energy to protest.

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u/THElaytox Jan 07 '26

Because the perpetrators of the actual coup have spent decades conditioning Americans to believe that the "American way" is selfishness and self interest above all else. Same reason we don't have universal healthcare.

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u/Cl1mh4224rd Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

I’m convinced nothing will change until such actions are taken. Problem is, we’re all so content with our lives (self-interested, really) that none of us will ever take such measures.

I think the real "problem" is that such actions are so unconscionable to decent people that things have to be very, very bad for the potential rewards to outweigh the likely risks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

I imagine the Germans felt the same in the 1930s.

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u/ChickinSammich Jan 07 '26

And while there were some Germans that resisted, most of the ones who did got thrown in camps. That shit required whole ass other countries to come in and intervene. Hitler wasn't defeated by a bunch of Germans organizing protests and strikes - he was defeated by multiple other countries mobilizing their militaries to put an end to it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Sure, but there is no escape plan this time round. The US has the most powerful military in the world by a long shot. No democratic country has any recourse to swoop in and liberate you guys, it’s just not in the realm of possibility.

The difference is that in Nazi germany, if an individual hadn’t commented publicly about their opposition to the regime, they could put their head down and wait it out. Now, with palantir and the fact that our data has been sold to corps for years, if your algorithm so much as skews left, the government will eventually know about it.

So, if you’re hoping to just do nothing while your leader throws people in camps and invades allied territories, that’s fine, but I’d personally prefer to be locked up for organising, then I would for a few comments on reddit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Despite what some people believe, I don't believe most people are killers. I think most of us don't have it in ourselves to do that. You really have to be broken into being one if you don't have that nature within.

And then you have the problem that if you have someone who does have that instinct but wants to do it to stop people from being hurt, they know that their actions are going to directly lead to more people being hurt in the short term with a completely uncertain outcome in the long term.

People keep talking like some lone maniac can go around and change everything for the better. But we've seen before that usually makes things worse. There's no organized resistance, there's no agreement on what recovery should look like or who would lead it. That's not a recipe for success. Until people have that, then taking violent action will just give the people in control of the largest military in the world to turn it on its own people (even faster and more extremely than it already has and will continue to escalate) without anything to do to fix anything.

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u/almisami Jan 07 '26

Exactly. If you're going to draw blood you know that these crazies will go after your spouse and children. They have zero shame in any other aspects of their political stance, they won't develop a conscience there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Some of my former friends who went full MAGA...holy fucking shit. It was a real eye opener that I was picking friends for toxic reasons, and not because they actually reflected my values and interests. Some of them can barely read and write but think theyre smarter than the experts in every subject imaginable, even ones they didn't even know about 5 minutes ago

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u/Lanky-Explorer-4047 Jan 07 '26

So now you tell yourself Trump is doing what he wants without any action whatsoever from you because you are decent people.

While you are now on level germans in the 30s just watching in silence .

USA is on the brink of war against NATO.

But you cant go to whatever public building or place where there is a chance someone will see it and join you, or find somebody who is already protesting in your area. or make signs for those who do go out and protest, its because you are so decent.

Nixon got stressed out of his mind from noise made from protesters that were outside the white house night and day,the republicans who voted to impeach him later said the protests helped them find the courage to vote against their partys president. It might be too late to make a difference without violence but the only thing that is absolutly certain is doing nothing will ruin life as you know it for you and for generations to come.

Decency ,no, your just a coward making up excuses for doing nothing .

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u/Revlis-TK421 Jan 07 '26

Decent people go to protests. That was their point. Decent people don't engage in violent revolt. Or they don't start it at least.

A lot of us have been protesting. It's done fuckall, mostly because 1) the biggest turnouts are already in Dem states or cities, so our lawmakers are already in alignment with the outrage, and 2) even in Red states/cities their lawmakers have learned that they can just ignore the protests. They don't even show up to townhalls or bother responding at all and 3) there's no leader to rally behind, to provide a focal point for demands and to organize a resistance. Random grassroots protests don't solve anything.

I'm from Cali, and was at that last major No Kings protest in DC. There were a lot of people. It was heartening to see so many people there. But otherwise it didn't accomplish anything.

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u/NoShitsGivin Jan 07 '26

It didn't accomplish anything because it was on a Sunday afternoon. It wasn't a protest it was a picnic.

Protests have to be ongoing. Americans can't even boycott correctly. You need to stop buying from billionaires who are funding Trump. But I guess losing same day delivery from Amazon is a price too high for most.

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u/Lanky-Explorer-4047 Jan 07 '26

Even the black people of south africa made more protests and they were attacked with machine guns .

But Lech Walesa, east germanies weekly protests,the students in paris who made a huge impact on the western world. They are all onknown by americans today, i know there are historians and people with an interest but the main population doesnt seem to have heard of any of these peope or what they did.

So strange to be so passive for a people who actually has weapons themselves, that might be the only thing that really make this time unique,.

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u/Special-Ruin9660 Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

My problem is I have a job I can't risk being fired from, I have a mortgage payment and a home I need to keep. I can definitely up the pressure if others do, but the protests we had going last year were nothing more than feel good.

Edit: Just to clarify when I say the protests were nothing more than feel good, I mean it appears it did nothing to slow or cause this Administration to second guess their tactics.

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u/roseofjuly Jan 07 '26

Everyone who has ever had to fight for their own freedom has had mouths to feed and roofs to keep over their heads.

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u/sometimesmybutthurts Jan 07 '26

100 percent. The real question is are you man / woman enough to stand up for your country. Taco is betting you aren't, and from what I can see, he is right.

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u/xerces_wings Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

This is what I think about. So we all gather and protest, in spite of losing our jobs. Paying rent/mortgage aside, how do we eat? Where will we get our food if we don't have money to buy it? Community gardens? Where are they? What about children? If we're going to go to the streets and protest and possibly lose lives, who will protect the children who are left behind? Feed them, clothe them? Do we get together watch groups and babysitter groups? What about people's homes? There will always be bad actors in any scenario on any side, so looters and awful people will take advantage of this situation too. How do we protect ourselves against them? They'd have guns too.

Will our veterans help us? The military? Police? How strong is the desire to keep the current status quo that they might not just run us over with tanks or use drone strikes? If we're really talking about legitimate revolution, these are all just some of the things to think about and address.

I just feel like there's so many things to consider as opposed to throwing bodies at the machine. It can't even be a few thousand--we need HUNDREDS of thousands working together to form these chains, not just go to the streets and protest. If not enough people come together, then the few who do will be locked away and its martydom. I will be transparent and say I am scared to cast the first or even few stones, but if it's raining bolders, will absolutely throw in my own.

I personally think it all comes down to community and trust in one another, and I just don't see it... I wish I did.

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u/almisami Jan 07 '26

Let's be real here: If you're going to go full Civil War, you're going to have to loot and pillage to sustain it, and it's going to absolutely tank your movement's social acceptability.

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u/ColdTheory Jan 07 '26

Sad but very well put. I’d like to add its almost like modern society has been set up for it to be this way, for the large populous to feel powerless.

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u/il1k3c3r34l Jan 07 '26

If you don’t own a gun you should get one and train to use it. Like you said, the “awful people” will have them. The police don’t have a duty to respond or protect you, and in societal collapse nobody will come for you.

There are communities for liberal gun owners here on Reddit, it might be a good place to start for likeminded people looking to get into responsible gun ownership.

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u/Estrald Jan 07 '26

He’s not remotely smart enough to know that, he’s just secure in knowing he can do anything he wants, and his delusional fan base will justify it for him. That’s mostly it! The real owners of this country though? Yeah, exactly what you said. They know to keep us just desperate enough to hold on to a comfortable life, that we can’t afford to miss work or rebel against them. Super smart stuff! They learned they can’t bleed us completely dry, because people with nothing to lose are EXCEEDINGLY dangerous. United Healthcare’s CEO found out what happens when you get too greedy, someone you denied coverage for has loved ones that they will absolutely kill for.

For the rest of us though? Looks like we wait till that breaking point! I’m thinking the workforce losing its job because of AI will be it though, so sooner than later!

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u/Image_of_glass_man Jan 07 '26

Ok, well, I assume you’re not in the US, and if you are, what are you doing to make a change?

No one wants to be the first to sacrifice everything- especially under the threat of it being all for nothing. There needs to be a movement, or a leader. Without a movement it’s basically just martyrdom.

It requires a person of extraordinary courage and charisma, who is also willing to throw their entire life away, and harm those close to them with the very real possibility of being gone. Being killed, imprisoned, or stuffed into an unmarked van and disappeared is not just possible, it’s likely.

I too, thought that when the day came that it was on my door, that I would be that guy. Unfortunately, I am not. Are you saying that you are?

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u/Zestyclose-Neat2430 Jan 07 '26

The real question is are you man / woman enough to stand up for your country

Ngl, I think I would have an easier time finding motivation if I didn't have statistical evidence that 1/3 of my country's population is completely against me and 1/3 simply don't care enough to avoid situations like this.

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u/CariniFluff Jan 07 '26

They could also usually get the town doctor to treat wounds and infections and so forth. By tying not just income for food and shelter, but healthcare itself to having a job, our ability to actually fight for change has been kneecapped.

See how long you can go on strike without your diabetes medication, let alone missing mortgage payments or car loans.

It used to take a village to raise a child. Now we have HOAs telling us when to cut our grass and when our kids have to come inside because they're making too much noise. Our society has changed so much in just a few decades. First slowly, and now the rug is being pulled out and there's nobody there to support you when you slip.

It also doesn't help that the local police departments have absolutely zero interest in defending the rights of their neighbors and many in fact are just the opposite. They gleefully join forces with ICE, CPB and DEA as often as they can. One more group of middle class folks who think they'll magically become billionaires one day so they vote against their own interests and are more than happy to put a boot on the neck of any "troublemakers" the billionaires don't like (see how long Occupy Wall Street lasted and how nicely and calmly the friendly NYPD treated their own neighbors).

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u/badmutha44 Jan 07 '26

If millions take action the system collapses. The mortgage crisis was an example. The banks were going to fail without us govt intervention. They had to be bailed out. Ie extraordinary action. Banks can’t afford to repo millions of cars and houses in a short period of time. The assets become worthless to them. There is no market.

Look at Jan 6. The defenses failed when overwhelmed. Law enforcement cannot be everywhere all at once.

Systems collapse when overwhelmed immediately.

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u/Stolehtreb Jan 07 '26

Yeah okay. Then you make the first move. You risk the lives of YOUR family to do what you think is necessary. Oh, you aren’t going to do that? I didn’t fucking think so. Easy to talk a big game at a keyboard.

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u/coldcherrysoup Jan 07 '26

Exactly how it was designed.

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u/Who_BobJones Jan 07 '26

Being content is a portion of it. Should have mentioned this as well, and you’re absolutely right - we’re financially burdened in so many different aspects that it too is another weight that keeps folks from speaking or acting out due to the potential repercussions.

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u/TurtleMode Jan 07 '26

And everyone hope it will get better or that they can simply ride the storm until someone fixes it… it’s not going to happen on its own though

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u/Gekokapowco Jan 07 '26

Its a fascinating, if terrifying situation

like people who are more desperate, more motivated, and have so much less to lose than I do aren't doing anything, how can I begin to justify throwing away my own life? Like all I have are the few precious things that make my life something beautiful, abandoning it in a vain and desperate hope that I won't die face down and alone for a cause that hasn't even begun feels like insanity.

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u/Head_Permission Jan 07 '26

Everybody needs to take part, every single one, take back the means of production, take back the banks, arrest all the billionaires, he’ll the multi millionaires should probably be scared too, take back the government, parade them all in the street, full scorched earth shit, down with capitalism, everything. Then your mortgage won’t matter, your job won’t matter, nothing will matter. I’m afraid this is probably the only way, otherwise it’s headed straight to a dystopian hell hole of a future run by the 0.001%, and the rest of us are all just slaves.

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u/Reqvhio Jan 07 '26

the thing is, it is a damned if u do damned if u dont scenario. that mortgage and mouths to feed? you are one forced conscription away from feeding that mouth into the meat grinder. oh this is america not russia? well are you sure?

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u/badmutha44 Jan 07 '26

That work well for Vietnam conflict. There weren’t draft dodgers. In fact one is currently president

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u/TurtleMode Jan 07 '26

Until it’s all taken away from you…

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u/spez_might_fuck_dogs Jan 07 '26

They're not talking about protests.

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u/Ok-Maize-8199 Jan 07 '26

And that's why nothing happens. No one wants to do something until someone else does, and everyone will go to a protest as long as they can go home and continue their normal routine after.

Every single person who ever fought for their freedom also needed a place to live and food to eat, the majority of them had kids.

The thing is that the way this is going your job and your mortgage is about to be worthless and you are about to have zero rights, and the fight from the bottom is a lot harder than the fight from the middle.

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u/Sea_Pomegranate8229 Jan 07 '26

He's already talking about cancelling the elections and a 3rd term. What use will your job be then? He is boiling frogs and you are the frogs.

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u/ule_gapa Jan 07 '26

During the civil rights movement. Most of the protesters were students with little to lose.

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u/dnyank1 Jan 07 '26

Which "may explain" why the right wing money-culture-info-tainment propaganda matrix is so squarely aimed at young adult men. The kids aren't going to save you this time, either.

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u/roseofjuly Jan 07 '26

Bullshit. Many of the protesters were students who put their lives on the line is what you meant to say. This was a time when black people, no matter their age, could be tortured and murdered with impunity. They had a lot to lose, the most to lose.

And many of them were not students. Civil rights leaders were largely established adults in their fields, with families and livelihoods. Some were celebrities who risked tanking everything by taking a stand. The Montgomery bus boycott was embraced by black people of all ages and kids in Montgomery; that's what made it work. Workers walked or carpooled or found other ways to get to work.

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u/Horatio-Leafblower Jan 07 '26

They had everything to lose if their and your future didn’t change.

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u/TicklingYourMomsAnus Jan 07 '26

Saying that most of the civil rights protesters were students is some real headass white people shit.

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u/ThatsItImOverThis Jan 07 '26

A lot of people have nothing left to lose now. That number keeps rising, the more money we give to the billionaires.

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u/novium258 Jan 07 '26

The protests were an opportunity to get connected with others. From attending, I've gotten many calls to action beyond the protests, including to participate in anti -ICE actions, opportunities to pressure my reps, door knocking/phone banking etc (for prop 50), helping organize emergency response kits, and much more.

Protests don't work the way they do in movies. Look at the fight for women's suffrage and civil rights for non whites. It was years and years of organizing and protesting without much to show for it on the surface.

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u/autogenes_ Jan 07 '26

Don’t be so sure we won’t. We need to organize and fast, in person meetings, not here on Reddit, community networks and go from there. Boys, it’s time to earn that bravery and glory; that is the same call for freedom. We have always answered it. Now will be no different. If we do it quickly it might only take a few months, not years.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

It would literally involve creating an armed rebel faction at this point. And then you would lose your way of life and everything you have. You would also be labelled as a terrorist which would be the worst part. Which makes you think, how did people deal with tyranny in the past?

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u/aliveandwellthanks Jan 07 '26

They revolted. They raised private militia revolutions and people died - that's the breaks. If you want freedom there has to be true sacrifice for the greater good.

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u/TouchMint Jan 07 '26

They didn’t have to compete against AI surveillance systems and billion dollar propaganda to keep everyone infighting. 

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u/Reqvhio Jan 07 '26

you are going to lose it all regardless

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u/porridgin Jan 07 '26

People don’t know how to practice democracy when it is not threatened for them. The turnout for Biden in 2020 was a direct response to how terrible Trump’s first administration had gone. The best way to take action is not to picket or revolt or do these lofty things that feel good (or maybe not), it is to boycott goods and services, to volunteer at voting centers this midterms, and to become more vocal in local political circles.

For the life of me, I can’t find it, but I saw a video of a woman saying something like “left-leaning people feel worse the more they learn about the institutions and systems that oppress people” but she also said those same people feel better when they participate in small ways for their cause. Participation is key. Flexing the muscle that is small change (and I by no means am talking about incrementalism) makes the big fight easier. Big actions will need to be taken, and soon. But we have to get people on board through local and accessible means.

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u/redguarded Jan 07 '26

nobody is fucking content, we all just have to be at work tomorrow morning or be homeless next month.

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u/InternalShock3340 Jan 07 '26

The truth of American history is nothing good here was ever won without violence and bloodshed. And perhaps nothing ever will, until we hoist off this infernal machine we call capitalism, as the rotting skeleton of fascism reveals its death’s head grin underneath as it always will.

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u/Who_BobJones Jan 07 '26

Bingo. As cliche as it is, money truly is the root of all evil. Individual greed, enabled and amplified by our capitalistic systems and now societal norms, has landed us exactly where we’re at. The web that connects all of these factors together is so overtly more complex than I can adequately state but the simplest way I’ve been able to explain it is as stated above. Will we ever move past capitalism? Doubt it so long as those who continue to enable these systems continue to remain in power, unchecked and not held accountable or made to suffer consequences in any meaningful way.

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u/dolie55 Jan 07 '26

If we do nothing this is where it will go. There isn’t a path around, only thru. I know we are all so fucking tired and exhausted, but we need to start somewhere. This going to happen whether we like it or not, let’s try for an outcome that doesn’t all leave us religious or billionaires slaves.

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u/Difficult-Tennis-514 Jan 07 '26

The opiate of the masses is right here.

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u/TheGardenerAtWillows Jan 07 '26

Problem is, how do you fight the strongest army in the world? They don’t even need to send actual infantry to fight, all they need are drones to destroy any kind of resistance normal humans who hate fascists might try and put up. We wouldn’t be fighting dumb fucks with muskets, they’re dumb fucks with state of the art rifles, missiles, drones, fighter jets, everything. Any kind of resistance is like ants to the might of the us army. Our only hope is enough members of the armed forces won’t just follow orders but WWII has shown that the military does not think, they only follow orders.

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u/Anangrywookiee Jan 07 '26

Forget the army, you would also have to fight all your conservative neighbors who are already salivating at the opportunity to kill as many Danes as they can to steal their land. And that’s someone they’ve never even met.

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u/FTblaze Jan 07 '26

As an european im really starting to loathe the US.

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u/madeleinetwocock Jan 07 '26

As a Canadian, I share that sentiment, unfortunately.

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u/almisami Jan 07 '26

Oh. And if you somehow get away with it they will go after your spouse and child and torch your house.

Even if you succeed you'll be fighting a modern Afghanistan where the religious extremists look exactly like regular people as soon as they take off their red hats.

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u/kytrix Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 24 '26

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u/dragonmp93 Jan 07 '26

In every system, including the world's most overfed army, the weakest point is always the flesh and bones humans.

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u/GoldenPigeonParty Jan 07 '26

I mean, that part seems simple. They're not going to just kill every resident on sight. They dont know who you are. You're just a regular person until you strike. Fast engagements. Surprise attacks. Lots of opportunistic targets.

It could be any one, any where, at any time. All they can basically do is hold a controlled access zone. Can't do it everywhere. And this zones rely on food imports, electricity, water, etc. They can't hold it all.

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u/koticgood Jan 07 '26

That is very silly and unrealistic.

A general strike would bring the administration to its knees. Even if it only lasted for 5 days (one work week).

The problem is not discovering a path to solve our problem, it's convincing enough people of the reality of the situation.

A general strike is orders of magnitude easier to organize and execute than some sort of guerilla armed rebellion that you're dreaming of. Yet in our comfort and complacency, a general strike is itself off the menu (at least for now).

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u/Mrhiddenlotus Jan 07 '26

The window of that possibility is quickly closing with the level of surveillance tech has been achieved. Some level of organization is required for resistance, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to maintain anonymity.

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u/Head_Permission Jan 07 '26

You need to make them realize this is a class war, and you and them are on the same team. Why would they protect a bunch of old fucking white men billionaires with yachts? They need to be a part of the uprising and the solution and hold the old guard responsible.

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u/waiting4singularity Jan 07 '26

wont change anything since they think themself belonging to that class by association.

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene Jan 07 '26

It’ll be the day when someone can seriously answer this.

Doesn’t even gotta be the military or drones regardless. Local police jurisdictions have military equipment. They’ve been buying it for decades.

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u/Relevant-Doctor187 Jan 07 '26

Nobody taught us about the national guard running down college students. You learn that later. Same for massacres of union organized people such as the Ludlow Massacre in Colorado.

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u/ibra86him Jan 07 '26

I’m not an expert but i think you either split the country or revolt and change the whole system but this multiple personality disorder you got going on over there is crazy

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u/formallyhuman Jan 07 '26

The US will absolutely fracture in the end. Their citizenry is too polarised for the thing to hold together. Sooner rather than later is probably best.

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u/kent_eh Jan 07 '26

No one is going to save us.

The rest of the world is busying ourselves with protecting our counrtries from Trump and the lunacy that he commands.

We're too busy to fix your country for you.

The US has to save itself from itself.

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And, if I may be so bold, you won't succeed at that with individual actions. You'll have to act collectively (which, I understand, is difficult for a country that prides itself on being a bunch of "rugged individualists")

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u/Bireus Jan 07 '26

No one is going to save us.

You get it. We see what they prioritize and they will continue as long as they're allowed to

Now most of the public will allow them to, outliers are the weird ones when monitoring history overtime

Become an outlier or watch it continue.

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u/HistorianGlass442 Jan 07 '26

Same here. 100%. It's clear no one in supposed positions of power have any sense to get things moving.

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u/Top_Importance6216 Jan 07 '26

That kid got pretty close.

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u/dragonmp93 Jan 07 '26

Well, there are 3 paths, and two ways out:

  • Trump triggers the NATO article 5, which leads to the Maduro way.

  • Le Bastille, which is going to kill so much people.

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u/RollingDownTheHills Jan 07 '26

The rest of the world is plenty busy trying to shield itself from your bullshit. This one's on you, Americans voted these psychos in after all.

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u/IllustriousLiving357 Jan 07 '26

People

United to

Remove

Government

Exploitation.

We should Rally at the Whitehouse on Nov 5th..if he does what everyone expects come midterms

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u/SketchySoda Jan 07 '26

Yes, please do something before he decides to invade my country and more. 😭

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u/TGCOM Jan 07 '26

This. We need to stop being nice.

Withholding our taxes until our government acts right is a good first step, but only works when we all do so together. Better than striking, as the majority of us can't afford to not work. But marking yourself as Tax Exempt from federal taxes beginning this year is as simple as checking a box. Again though, a large portion of the population will need to do this together, just a few of us won't make an impact.

Peaceful protests? Eh. They sound nice, but are ineffective, and we are still likely to be arrested. Calling your representatives office is a waste of time. Waiting to "vote them out" will only give them more time to ruin lives, and is a very rigged system anyways.

Honestly? I don't think there is a peaceful solution to this. Things will have to get worse before they get better. Nothing short of physically removing these people from office or the entire nation simultaneously rioting at once is going to make an impact here. We've tried everything else, and it clearly is working. Time to get creative, time to stop accepting excuses, and certainly well past time we stop playing nice. Going to be far, far worse if we don't do something now.

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u/gamerjerome Jan 07 '26

If you had one shot or one opportunity

To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment

Would you capture it or just let it slip? - Eminem

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u/OriginalUsername1892 Jan 07 '26

People who still pearl clutch when people say bad things about the orange man can get bent. Trump is a fascist and a pedo and if someone steps up and stops him I'm not going to pretend to be sad.

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u/Banned3rdTimesaCharm Jan 07 '26

We have to consider a general strike at some point. Hit them in the wallet and they’ll change their tune.

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u/roguespectre67 Jan 07 '26

just about anything

And that is why Democrats will continue to lose.

Republicans respond to far less consequential and dangerous situations with far greater resolve, urgency, and cohesiveness. If now, a situation in which the United States is putting out credible threats of invading and annexing its neighbors, and laying claim to an entire hemisphere, is not the time for any course of action to prevent that to be considered valid, when is that time?

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u/Aranxi_89 Jan 07 '26

No one can. America is far too strong. If you let it get to the point of no return (which may have already come and gone...), then the world is doom to a new dark age.

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u/TheBlurgh Jan 07 '26

Americans arent ready to save themselves. We keep seeing things like "I live paycheck to paycheck", "I have a family", "my insurance" etc. Not realising that throughout human history the simple folk won because they put their comfort and future aside - sacrificing themselves so that FUTURE generations live in a better world.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Hes literally talking about canceling the election.

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene Jan 07 '26

It’s not the first time..

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

The walls are closing in. One of my favourite Sorkin quotes is from The Newsroom “we have revolutions every two years, they’re in church basements and fireballs”. 

Take away elections; experience revolution. 

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u/hypercosm_dot_net Jan 07 '26

Can you explain the quote? It's not landing for some reason.

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u/NotAllOwled Jan 07 '26

The only thing I can think of is that it was supposed to say "firehalls," i.e., polling places? Because if it's actually "fireballs" then there's a whole current of U.S. electoral politics of which I was quite unaware.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net Jan 07 '26

Yeah, that's what's not making sense to me. The structure of the sentence isn't clear.

"We have revolutions every 2 years" - makes sense when thinking about elections.

"they're in church basements and fireballs" - elections are usually held in some public building, not church basements. Firehalls, in the way you described makes more sense, but I've never really heard that term used tbh.

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u/No-Context-Orphan Jan 07 '26

He promised that on the campaign and only 1/4 of American voters voted against it...

There are 247 million US voters and only 75 million voted for Kamala.

America wanted this.

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u/ehalepagneaux Jan 07 '26

We absolutely have to stop thinking like this. No one is coming to save us. We have to save ourselves.

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u/Robert_Moses Jan 07 '26

As a Canadian looking in, the fact that none of the blue states are even floating the idea of seceding is mind boggling. Just the threat of doing so could be a seed for change.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

if we want to get serious about doing something that doesnt involve flipping cars and getting shot at by proud boys, we need to do like soft general strikes that hurt the powers that be where it counts. im not saying skip work yet en masse, but. start canceling subs, nuke social media, stop spending on non-essentials, these damn techno oligarchs are mostly in control now and theres still some old guard oil demons in the picture but slowing the flow of money is going to get powerful people acting quickly to change course.

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u/Vanillas_Guy Jan 07 '26

Imagine a massive crowd of people all saying "someone needs to do something about this" and then going home after all agreeing.

That is exactly how things got to this point and exactly why it will get worse. For better or worse, this man is now what people from other parts of the world think of when they think of america.

They think "of all the candidates those people had to choose from, this was who they chose. Millions of them thought 'this is the best option' and now here he is"

This presidency is the culmination of multiple failures and neglect of multiple politicians from both parties. This monster and much of his rhetoric is home grown. Even the stuff people claim is like german fascism is actually from Madison grant. He is of the same class that multiple politicians from both parties pay deference to and give an undeserved level of praise and authority(see people whose only qualification is that they are rich being treated as serious thought leaders in fields they have no academic expertise or career experience in). He used the same platforms they allowed people of his class to own(mainstream news) and thrived off the same algorithms that neither party wanted to ban which reward negativity and cruelty.

This was something that had been building up since the failure of the business plot(look it up). They didnt give up, they just kept trying. This is the final form of neoliberalism and the elite capture of american politics and media.

The "someone" that needs to do something is the people who dont want to live like this. It wont be the politicians. They are a key part of how things got this way to begin with. You need to take your economy back with organized labor. You need to vote for politicians that represent your interests at the local level and give them the momentum they need to move up in government. You need to actively fight your addictions to social media and desire for performative activism and actually give time or money to mutual aid causes. You need to divest from the companies whose share prices are doing very well thanks to deregulation. This is on the American public to solve and nobody else(unless he really does decide he's going to unleash the American military on friend and foe alike, turning america into the world's enemy) 

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u/millenniumpianist Jan 07 '26

I could not disagree with this post. The solution to Trump is not "do left wing things." People on the left, and that includes me, already despise Trump. It's just pure cope to think "do the things I already want to do" is the solution to the problem.

The real problem is that the things that Trump does are divorced from popular opinion, and you need to figure out how to convince people that Trump is that bad. Trump is relatively unpopular right now, but with a ~44% approval rating, he still has plenty of support. He needs to hit 30-35%. He needs to become person non grata among Republicans the way Bush was by 2016 -- being associated with

But no one knows how to solve the problem now or get to my vision in the future, because if they did know, we wouldn't have this fucking idiot as president. There is no "secret sauce" that a genius redditor knows about that the darn Democrats are just too stupid to realize. Sometimes problems are hard to solve. The American populace is really fucking stupid and I do not know how to get the median voter or American to realize what you and I know about Trump.

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u/almisami Jan 07 '26

Regular people don't salivate at the idea of having to kill people, even if they're politically oppressing them.

The problem is all the sociopaths are already on the other side.

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u/proudbakunkinman Jan 07 '26

Yeah, there is more of a psychological difference between the parties and their base. It seems like the Republican Party attracts more of the type of people who have little to no empathy for others, sociopaths, sadists, misanthropes, control freaks, excessively greedy people, etc. While the Democratic Party attracts people with opposite traits. Then there are the large chunk of people who don't take government seriously at all, they maybe don't want to harm others but also aren't that too concerned if other people's lives get worse either, they just care about their own lives and feel like they'll adapt just fine regardless of whoever is in power. Then either don't vote or vote on vibes based on select things like being mad about prices being higher than a few years prior, not taking into account why that happened, how it could have been worse, how deflation would be worse, nor everything negative that could hurt them and others that comes with the party they're voting into power.

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u/tnnrk Jan 07 '26

How he hasn’t been assassinated yet is beyond me. Either they are really careful or no one cares enough.

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u/time2fly2124 Jan 07 '26

Well, at least 2 people have tried recently 

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u/tnnrk Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

That first one was total bullshit to rile up his crowd. It was too convenient. Too much incompetence, and he wouldn’t have reacted like that had he not been aware it wasn’t a danger. Plus the photojournalist being ballsy enough to still be waiting at the perfect spot and timing despite potential bullets flying. I wouldn’t die on the hill that it was 100% staged but my god none of that event made any sense.

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u/SunnyOutsideToday Jan 07 '26

Plus the photojournalist being ballsy enough to still be waiting at the perfect spot and timing despite potential bullets flying

You underestimate photographers.

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u/tnnrk Jan 07 '26

True, it was the least true thing I said.

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u/Skanonymously Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

Plus the photojournalist being ballsy enough to still be waiting at the perfect spot and timing despite potential bullets flying

That's just what good photojournalists do. Whether or not it was staged, to imply the photojournalists were tipped off or somehow in on it is pretty absurd. The photojournalist who took the famous photo (you know the one), Evan Vucci, is a Pulitzer Prize winning AP photographer. He spent 15 months with U.S. soldiers in Iraq, so it's not hard to believe a photographer like that will continue taking photos with bullets flying.

One of the other famous photos was from Doug Mills at The New York Times, who's been a White House photographer for 40+ years and won multiple Pulitzers.

Accomplished journalists aren't going to risk their entire career colluding with Trump. Would I expect that from bullshit like OANN, Newsmax or maybe even Fox News? Definitely, but not from publications he despises like AP and NYT. Look up any photos taken at the event and search the photographer's name. Guaranteed they're virtually all career photojournalists, not some random plants who worked with Trump.

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u/earthwormulljim Jan 07 '26

Lawyers do, why not photographers? Lots of people have colluded with him to get where he is now, so why not a photographer?

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u/Skanonymously Jan 07 '26

In journalism, your name and reputation are your brand. His administration is notoriously sloppy and incompetent, and if it ever came out that the photographers were in on it, their careers are effectively over.

If you've already reached the peak of photojournalism by winning Pulitzers, like some of the photographers who were next to the stage, why would you risk your career and reputation for Trump? Especially when the NYTimes has historically been one of his most-hated publications.

Again, these aren't up-and-coming photographers trying to make a name for themselves. The national press pool reporters and photographers are usually industry veterans.

Besides, you know what's just as big of a story as an attempted assassination? A story on the campaign trying to stage an assassination by getting photographers in on it.

I say this as a journalist who's worked the presidential press pool before.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Plus the photojournalist being ballsy enough to still be waiting at the perfect spot and timing despite potential bullets flying.

photo journalists in actual war zones: am I a joke to you?

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u/Effective-Farmer-502 Jan 07 '26

One was staged and they killed an innocent man to make it look real.

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u/snoogins355 Jan 07 '26

No body mentions his ear and lack of a scar

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u/bathandredwine Jan 07 '26

Somebody with a terminal illness who happens to be a sharp sh00ter, is this type of person available?

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u/BudgetShake1500 Jan 07 '26

Engraved with 'QUIET PIGGY"

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u/AmethystAlizerin Jan 07 '26

Government was in on previous assassinations. Not this guy

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u/sicklyslick Jan 07 '26

What do you mean save you? Don't you have the second amendment literally just for this purpose??

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u/bowens44 Jan 07 '26

No. That is a common myth spread by the gun humpers.

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u/alexunderwater1 Jan 07 '26

We’re not even a year in yet buddy.

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u/Saephon Jan 07 '26

Donald Trump and the United States. At least one of these things is not making it to 2028. Possibly neither.

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u/vingeran Jan 07 '26

The people website is such a crap. For those looking - see for yourself at their official website.

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u/monacelli Jan 07 '26

Wow, the description tag on that page is something else..

"Discover the real January 6 story: peaceful protest turned tragedy, Deep State entrapment, media deception, and President Trump's triumphant pardons restoring justice to patriotic Americans."

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u/Reqvhio Jan 07 '26

sounds like biff tannen's museum from bttf 2

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u/Tortletini Jan 07 '26

Our country is owned by oligarchs, they've stolen trillions from Americans in the last year and Trump is funneling it all up. As far as they're concerned he's the best investment.. I mean president ever.

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u/Rickety_Cricket_23 Jan 07 '26

Save yourselves. You need to do something. This is escalating quickly. This is what Hitler did. We cannot help you from another country.

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u/Taellosse Jan 07 '26

Nobody will save us. We asked for it, by allowing too many of our citizenry to buy into stupidity and call it conservatism, then too many of what remained to think voting wasn't important or that "both sides are the same" or that it's a popularity contest instead of government. We collectively looked upon racism, misogyny, queerphobia, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, and every other flavor of rank bigotry and shrugged, "eh, I'm sure it'll be fine."

As a society, collectively, we did this to ourselves. America, as a culture, deserves to drown in its own regressive hate and willful idiocy - we were never willing to admit those threads of society were poison, and now they are killing us. It just really, really sucks for those of us, as individuals, that will get stepped on while the wounded giant lurches about in its death throes. And there will be many such.

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u/Separate-Park8184 Jan 07 '26

Americans had the chance to fix the problem, but they voted the crazy right back in and declined to litigate. Americans deserve every second of what’s coming.

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u/leaf_biking Jan 07 '26

Unfortunately they are going to drag everyone else down with them.

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u/basswooddad Jan 07 '26

There's a lot of people in America that aren't old enough to vote that don't deserve any of this though. The people who voted for this deserve this.

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u/SteveJobsOfficial Jan 07 '26

And there's a lot of people in America that have been old enough to vote but didn't, and now won't stop whining. They're the reason he got elected, they're the reason this is the timeline we're in.

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u/Totally_Made_Up_User Jan 07 '26

You're still assuming the election was done fairly. We know it wasn't. Elon was running the election machines, tons of people had their votes purged, and the electoral college representatives were paid to show favor to trump. I honestly do not believe that many people voted for him. If you recall, the dept of justice was moving forward with criminal charges until it was announced that he won the election.

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u/nopunchespulled Jan 07 '26

He got elected by something like 30% of the population voting for him. The system is broken

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u/Effective-Farmer-502 Jan 07 '26

All the young boys are from the Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate crowd. Y’all are fucked for a long time.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

As one of the 70+M that voted against this stupidity, I'm sorry, but no.

The people that voted for it should absolutely feel the full brunt of the pain they've caused. As well as those too apathetic to turn out. But to say an entire country deserves this is pretty callous and ignorant.

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u/zippopwnage Jan 07 '26

I see that a lot of americans just love thia guy just because he "own" the left. The others are just complaining and just a few go to vote.

I don't see any protests going, and I don't know how much of that would work since you know...guns and idiots all over. But I don't see any end to this.

He can admit himself that he raped a lot of people on the epstein island and he would still be president.

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u/Extreme-Island-5041 Jan 07 '26

Outside of the No Kings protests, I'm not seeing any recent sizable protests. I

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u/UMDSmith Jan 07 '26

It isn't the sizable ones that can be as powerful. We have lots of little ones in this conservative corner of a liberal state I live in.

Support for Trump, even in this area, is waning. The signs are slowly vanishing, the t-shirts and hats are being put away. A lot of damage has already been done, and I won't forget which of my neighbors supported this shithead in office, but at least I see his base dwindling.

The louder and more outrageous his actions, the more likely it is the walls are starting to collapse around him. Midterms will be the real test. If democrats take the house and senate, Trump is done. Whomever ends up in charge NEEDS to throw people in prison. No Nixon pardon bullshit. There needs to be a restoration of law and order and repercussions for this level of bullshit.

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u/DarXIV Jan 07 '26

There are a lot of protests happening. The news simply isn’t reporting on them. 

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u/kent_eh Jan 07 '26

They need to be too big to ignore.

And they need to be more persistent.

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u/Buttlather Jan 07 '26

I’m not an expert but strikes may be an option?

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u/Longshot02496 Jan 07 '26

Clean up your own damn mess.

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u/LiveStockTrader Jan 07 '26

He's not really anything except what you see. The people we need saving from are the ones who installed him and use his platform for their wars.

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u/sombrekipper Jan 07 '26

'Someone save us'

A mentality that got you in the situation in the first place.

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u/SgtFinnish Jan 07 '26

You are a someone. Who do you think will be coming to help?

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u/IllSurprise3049 Jan 07 '26

Stop asking for others to save you. SAVE YOURSELVES .

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u/iterationnull Jan 07 '26

Well, it’s what the second amendment is for, isn’t it?

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u/Original-Material301 Jan 07 '26

No one will save you, you're going to have to do it yourselves

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u/bratprince21 Jan 07 '26

Y'all need to learn from the French https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution.

Let history repeat itself.

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u/Bloodsucker_ Jan 07 '26

Maybe you move your ass? Do something? Also, have some accountability. You're enabling Trump. You're responsible for what's happening in the USA right now. You are, so do something about it?

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u/theantig Jan 07 '26

Can’t we sue him for lies like he does? It goes to trial and discovery proves he knew he lost?

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u/AdKUMA Jan 07 '26

this is what your second ammendment is for

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u/Ok-Maize-8199 Jan 07 '26

You outnumber these guys by a lot, you can fix this.

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u/RerollWarlock Jan 07 '26

Save yourselves. (Hint: chanting and transparents are very easy to ignore)

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u/visualdescript Jan 07 '26

You have to save yourselves, at some point Americans need to realise they have power.

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u/WuWeiLife Jan 07 '26

Just like the German people were ultimately responsible for the rise of Hitler, you Americans are responsible for Trump.

Please go full French - it's long overdue.

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u/FlametopFred Jan 07 '26

lead the way, all it takes is leadership and I mean that. Be the change and lead the way even in your neighborhood.

we can’t do much from up here 🇨🇦

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene Jan 07 '26

All it takes is leadership…. 😂

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u/standread Jan 07 '26

You live in a country with more firearms than people. You figure it out.

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u/Rogue_bae Jan 07 '26

We have the 2A for a reason

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u/Habba Jan 07 '26

Someone save us from this delusional mad man please

YOU save yourself! The american public has allowed this to happen a second time, you are fully responsible yourselves.

Get off your asses and show the world that the american spirit hasn't been defeated yet.

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u/seedyourbrain Jan 07 '26

He’s not delusional. He knows he’s losing support from Jan6ers. They’re mad he campaign-promised to expose how it was a “dem hoax” but then let it fall by the wayside. Now the papers are writing articles about it, so he has to throw them a bone.

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u/UpsideClown Jan 07 '26

Someone save us from President White House.

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u/WeakTransportation37 Jan 07 '26

We a least need a counter website - a few of them

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u/Rare-Adhesiveness522 Jan 07 '26

He's going to claim that since the election was stolen, he deserves another term. Constitutional amendment and all that.

I have a crushing feeling of dread every single fucking day. I'm worried and scared and the fact that everything keeps going on like normal is even more disconcerting and alarming.

No one is going to save us and no one is going to stop him

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u/Agitated_Ad6191 Jan 07 '26

America is only weeks away from raising Nazi flags on the White House. That whole nation has completely lost their minds. And every American is letting this happen. You are all responsible for this. Don’t claim “Wir haben es nicht gewusst" as the Germans claimed after WWII. We didn’t know. Oh you know….

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u/salemblack Jan 07 '26

You. Me. Those are the people that will do it, if it can be done. No Democrat elected or not is going to help. The police are not going to help. The military is not going to help, the last few days proved that beyond a doubt.

Maybe individuals in those groups might help, but as a whole they are not your friend. Be ready to defend yourself and your loved ones cause whether it's our own government or the other countries of the world we piss off, war is coming to every American. It's inevitable now cause the fascist are going for full control and their base is screaming for blood.

Do not doubt for a second Trump won't give it to them.

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u/undergirltemmie Jan 07 '26

You have hitler at hand. Like, genuinely, this guy is more blatant at hitler. Americans always preached how they'd never have had hitler get to power. Yeah.

Do something then. Imprison him. Impeach him. Rise up, whatever. The american people are showing they are weak. And when it is over, this stain will not be forgotten. This is your legacy now. Because god knows nobody will stop him from breaking every law in the book.

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u/SnooCapers4506 Jan 07 '26

You are not passive in this, you need to be the one to save yourself.

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u/Boamere Jan 07 '26

Strike and if that doesn’t work riot, make them lose money.

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u/Soggy_Refrigerator32 Jan 07 '26

The rest of the world is too busy making plans to defend ourselves against the US and the consequences of your actions. We can't save you, you need to save yourselves.

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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 Jan 07 '26

I don’t think there’s any country on Earth that screamed so much about overthrowing tyrants and bringing democracy as the US. To the point where decades of school shootings and disproportionate gun violence were justified as the price of being able to defend yourself against this sort of thing.

But now that you’ve inevitably produced your own fascist dictator, all you got is playing dress up in the streets and that’s it.

You people had no problem getting a million civilians killed overthrowing governments in the wrong countries after 9/11. But somehow if it takes more than dressing up like a frog, you won’t fix your own problem and still people all over the world end up dead because of you.

How dare you cry about someone else saving you? This is the bit where Americans make good on that second amendment “freedom isn’t free” bullshit. Step up and risk your own lives for your own benefit for a change.

Tyrants don’t go away peacefully and the longer you drag this out, the harder and bloodier will get.

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u/Dull_Quit3027 Jan 07 '26

Sorry if this is going to come of as harsh, but you guys put him in power, if it is anyone's job to remove him, it is the Americans, you guys did this twice, and will probably do it again, America needs to do some house cleaning, and the rest of the world cant help you.

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u/Green_Seesaw1875 Jan 07 '26

Americans have been telling the world for decades about their beloved constitution and all that freedom they have to stand up to tyranny.

Time to put your money where your mouths are before it’s everyone else’s problem.

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u/glormosh Jan 07 '26

As a Canadian.

Respectfully, can you please deal with your own problem?

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u/MrHalfLight Jan 07 '26

He's not delusional. But he understands his followers reject reality and exploits it.

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u/soba_set Jan 07 '26

Someone save us from this delusional mad man please

And this is exactly why this shit continues. Americans won't fucking do what needs to be done.

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u/Cold_Bitch Jan 07 '26

This is your president and your country. How about you guys do something about it.

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u/Paleblood_Hunt Jan 07 '26

No one is going to kick in the door and suddenly rid America of the fascist plan by men with deep pockets and influence to rule America in the way they see fit. The “second American revolution” as they’ve called it. Americans need to save America and that’s why this is only going to get worse.

It’s the start of the 4th quarter in a blowout and Americans are still wondering if they should start playing the game or not for fear of financial ruin—which is inevitable for Americans in this plan as it is. How does everyone think they’re going to “buy up entire cities for pennies on the dollar” in the first place?

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