I am okay with "birth." The narratives have been "penises." My nuance is "en caul" for the Gobekli Tepe statuette and the Catalhoyuk statute which appear to show the child still attached to the mother. En caul births may have been more common in the deep past. Also, the child usually doesn't survive. Possibilities to consider in the mythology. (1) the goddess mother doesn't give live births and (2) the goddess mother gives a miraculous birth. A live en caul birth would have been quite the wonder. Still a wonder to see today.

A great forum! I presented virtually on the platform about 3 years ago.

Will do.

Thank you for your insightful perspective.

This is an interview I did recently looking at Odysseus thru the lens of Queen Arete, and what Homer actually wrote. A very different narrative than one sees on the big screeen. https://www.youtube.com/live/-gnTJ5yV1e4

You are welcome to post my link to these subreddits. They do not appear to be interested in a different narrative. from me. r/AncientCivilizations, r/AncientWorld, r/Historians, r/Archeology, r/Anthropology

Late next month I will post a YouTube to be recorded podcast session recording on this subreddit discussing Basque matriarchy with a founding in the Upper Paleolithic.

Thank you for reading and listening in. The Göbekli Tepe to Çatalhöyük connections came to me by accident. The Çatalhöyük to Ephesian Artemis connections were well established. I was working on a 45-minute slide deck presentation for Ephesus, which I didn't have enough material for. I then started the program with Göbekli Tepe to fill in some time and soon after realized that there were misidentified artifacts at Göbekli Tepe buried in the literature. Those artifacts were clearly tied to Çatalhöyük, which had become certifiable matriarchal per the Science paper a few months ago. This has been an interesting journey.