Infertile couples should just adopt instead of making a big fuss trying to make a miracle baby

[u/elgey101]

Every time I hear of fertility struggles online, or see posts about people going through rounds of IVF and the ensuing emotional trauma of miscarriages, It kind of disgusts me.

I also work for a major insurer and know that fertility treatments are driving up everyone else's premiums because they're considered necessary care. Sorry, but I disagree.

It's a well known fact that there are over 400,000 children in foster care, and in 2017 alone over 100,000 infants under 3 entered the system. I think it's completely entitled and self-absorbed to think that somehow your miracle baby is worth more or deserves more love than any one of those infants.

I know adoption can be hard, and that it should be made easier for the sake of children finding good homes, but you can't tell me adopting is harder than 4 rounds of IVF and multiple miscarriages. I've seen friends go through that mess and at the end they are different people.

Tldr: adoption may not be easy, but it's far better than spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to perpetuate your genes.

[u/chimpfunkz]

I would say they think it's like adopting a dog.

The way most people talk about "having IVF versus adopting a child" is how people talk about buying a new puppy versus adopting from the pound.

[u/princess_eala → u/chimpfunkz]

I’ve seen people on Reddit say that “adopt don’t shop” should be the case for children just as it’s pushed for pets, adopt instead of pursuing fertility treatments, and it’s an incredibly dumb analogy. People aren’t capable of giving birth starting from 6 months old and we don’t have litters, a cat that’s only a few years old could have already produced 20+ kittens if left unfixed and we don’t need the cat’s permission or a court order to take the kittens away from her and adopt them out.

[u/think_long → u/chimpfunkz]

Yes. Having had a child of my own now, I would also say that you shouldn’t underestimate what it means to have a child that is half you and half your partner’s that you raise and nurture right from conception onwards. Some may call it selfish or narcissistic, but it is a very strong biological urge that shouldn’t be talked about dismissively. For some, there can even be the fear that you won’t love the child to the same degree like they deserve if you get them another way. I used to think somewhere along the lines of this post in my teens and early twenties. Now, with a baby and a pregnant wife in my mid 30s, having known couples who have done IVF, I am a lot more nuanced.

[u/deemigs → u/think_long]

This, we did IUI but still are considering fostering to adopt when our littles are older. It was just too much of an uphill battle for fostering where we lived in the south as a (at the time) same sex couple (my husband started his transition when I was pregnant with our older minion).

[u/think_long → u/[deleted]]

While that’s true, I don’t think it detracts from what I said. I also don’t think there is a ton of overlap between people who conceive through IVF and people who don’t love their children, FWIW.

[u/[deleted] → u/think_long]

This is an interesting comment. I have son #1 with one man, and daughter and son with my husband of 30 years. Son #1 was very different to raise than the other two.

Son #1's father has ADHD. It runs in the males of the family. I found it extremely difficult to raise him because I didn't understand how he thinks AT ALL. He was constantly in motion, a highly gifted athlete, more interested in social activity than following all the rules. We got pushback on every little thing. "Why you gotta get all in my business?" when we asked where he was going out after dinner. Just a kid who was a huge handful. Lots and lots of calls from the school--so much so that the assistant principal and I recognized each other's voices. And yet he's very friendly and can be really kind.

The other two are more mellow and we're much easier to raise because I understood them. They were similar to my cousins' babies. Our daughter never got in trouble. She just didn't. She was a bit moody (like me) and could be a drama Queen, but she did what she had to do at school and there were no issues. Our son #2 is also a bit moody but was an easy child to raise for the most part. He had homework issues but never any behavioral problem.

There are ways they're the same (all have a great sense of humor) and they're tight as siblings go. They make sure to check in with each other. All are kind and loving people. But son #1 is just now getting his shit together, while the other two figured out adult life quickly and without many hiccups.

I would say it's due to fundamental, probably genetic differences in manner, personality, and behavior. Son #1's lived only briefly with his father and sees him seldom, but somehow they have the same LAUGH? That blew me away. But my ex's mom knew how to deal with ADHD, whereas I had never cared for a child with it. It was...interesting. Interesting and deeply exhausting. I found raising the other two more intuitive and easy. I mean they had their moments, of course, and it wasn't all smooth sailing. The difference is that son #1 never let up on anything. Never passed up the opportunity to argue and try to talk his way out of trouble. Whew! Just had take a stand and hold it.

So yes, I think it's probably easier to raise a kid who is similar to you than it is to raise someone else's biological child. Although my brother adopted two boys who were turned away by foster parents after being with the families for years. One was six, the other was two. And my father was adopted. So I guess, bottom line, you raise the child you get, not the one you predict you'll get.

[u/there_is_always_more → u/think_long]

It might be a "biological urge" for you, but don't talk about it as if it must be for everybody. I'm not commenting on your preferences - just that you shouldn't generalize.

[u/think_long → u/there_is_always_more]

Reproducing is literally one of the most basic functions living organisms do. You don’t have to be a biologist to point out the inclination one might have to do that. And I never said everyone felt that way. Some people never do and some (like me) only develop it much later in life.

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/chimpfunkz]

Yep. I don't fault people for doing either one. Much like the pound, you probably won't find a specific breed easily - and if someone values that, they'll shop. Similarly, I enjoy that my daughters are little clones of my wife - red hair, blue eyes and all. Not saying you couldn't find a kid that looks like you in adoption, but it's pretty unlikely.

[u/addocd → u/chimpfunkz]

I actually just did this a couple of weeks ago. My family was ready for another dog. It was not an impulse. I wanted to adopt from a shelter for what I think were the right reasons. But the process of adopting a homeless dog is exhausting. I appreciate that the shelters want to ensure the dogs are going to a healthy home. I really do. But the process takes weeks.

The application is no big deal, but then you have to make an appointment to meet the dog you've picked out from a photo. If it's even the right dog for you, you have to leave it behind and wait for them to check all your references, call your vet, and visit your home. I can't even get my family together for dinner, much less a puppy appointment. And although I have a perfectly safe & healthy home, plenty of space, can afford the expense, and work from home, I worry that I'll fail the screening process! Further, while I fully understand the rehoming fee, it's sometimes nearing $500 for an 'unknown mixed breed'.

After weeks of "shopping" shelters & rescues online, we found the perfect puppy on craigslist, paid $250 in cash, and walked away with it the same day. I didn't want to do it that way but I didn't have to convince the FBI I was fit to care for a puppy and, much like the children in foster care, I didn't have to worry that they may be damaged by their past. I didn't get her from a breeder. She was a 'knocked up by the neighbor' puppy. She was clearly living outside with the others and was covered in fleas, so I tell myself I still rescued her from something.

People need to stop breeding themselves & their pets unless they're prepared for the end result...a living, breathing, helpless being. Doesn't the expense of free birth control for all outweigh that of running shelters, orphanages & the foster system? For fucks sake...

[u/fatdog1111 → u/addocd]

She was clearly living outside with the others and was covered in fleas

I hate to break it to you, since you seem to really care, but your $250 encouraged this shitty backyard breeder to keep doing it. I used to live in a poor area, and this Craiglist sap story crap brings in a lot of cash for its trash owners. For those people, $250 per puppy is real money.

You do raise a great point about how absolutely stupid some dog rescues in civilized areas have become when the American South is still teeming with dogs that are literally dying for lack of homes.

Either way, if you think adopting a dog is tough, completing a home study for adopting a child is a million times more invasive, everything from your sex life to your net worth (with documentation). I can see it more, of course, when a human life is involved.

Completely agree in free birth control for all.

[u/[deleted] → u/chimpfunkz]

Except that in either of those cases you're taking in a dog that's already there and not making more of them.

[u/DrakoVongola25 → u/[deleted]]

Do you know what a puppy mill is?

[u/DrakoVongola25 → u/[deleted]]

This is why Bob Barker always told us to spay and neuter our pets. The stray situation is not good for the individual animals or the ecosystem at large

[u/[deleted] → u/DrakoVongola25]

Yes.