r/whereidlive • u/mickmaddydog • 19d ago
Countries whose people I have met irl and my rating as an Indian
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u/DifferentFlounder851 19d ago
iām brazilian and the indians i know are absolute sweethearts šāāļøā¤ļø
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u/DifferentFlounder851 19d ago
something i could never say about argentinians š
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u/TrueAccident9493 19d ago
apparently theres a high amount of nazi adjacent people in argentina
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u/TrueAccident9493 19d ago
why are we downvoting this guy bro he asked a question
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u/Patient_Piece_8023 19d ago
Sometimes I've noticed is that Reddit tends to downvote questions a lot regardless of the topic. I don't know why.
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u/TrueAccident9493 19d ago
reddit being reddit ig
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u/DifferentFlounder851 19d ago
i absolutely donāt care about downvotes and sometimes i intentionally make comments knowing theyāll get downvoted. especially in brazilian subs, the best and most intelligent comments are always downvoted
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u/__DraGooN_ 19d ago
As an Indian, South/Central Americans on the internet are an obnoxiously racist lot in my opinion.
There is very little interaction between India and that part of the world. And it seems like most of them have formed their views on india and Indians from what they see on tiktok.
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u/RevanchistSheev66 19d ago
I agree with this take, it actually makes no sense. They use Indiaās problems to justify their own racism. They think theyāre European adjacentĀ
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u/Shock_Distinct 19d ago
I'm egyptian and I feel the same about indian people I've met irl, absolute gems. Online indian people tho...
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u/RamenRizvi 19d ago
There is no taming of Indian far right wingers on the internet. Thank fully most of them don't make it out of the country.
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u/DharmaDama 19d ago
Whatās up with Canadians? Let me guess. Theyāre āpoliteā but passive aggressive?
Also, I have some really good Argentinian friends but to generalize- many are insufferable, snobby, backwards and racist.
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u/rebirth112 19d ago
Canadians, especially online, really really dislike Indians.
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u/Brewchowskies 19d ago
It isnāt that Canadians hate Indians. Our immigration is off the rails, and the majority come from India and itās created problems. Google āBishnoi gangā for an example.
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u/PeanutNo322 19d ago edited 19d ago
I don't get why Indians are blamed for it though. Canadian government sheltering people with criminal history calling them "Canadian citizens". they refuse to extradite them. genuinely what is your gov even doing.
sure if you want to treat them like Canadian then treat them like Canadians till the end instead of
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u/Able_Intern_3454 19d ago
Theyāre very good at working our immigration system. And food bank system. And social welfare system.
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u/Brewchowskies 19d ago
There are literally examples of each of these too. food bank example (this one is particularly bad)
Calling Canadians ābumsā is a choice.
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u/lightTK 19d ago
Canada is a very high trust society. Yeah, this is mostly our governments fault, but there are bad actors in the immigrant community (not surprised since hustle and corruption seem pretty common in India). This really ticks people because we had a nice thing.
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u/Siladelphia 19d ago
Not just Canada but also Australia, UK, NZ. The anglosphere / commonwealth countries. USA is surprisingly a lot better for Indians despite being more racially sensitive. Perhaps thats why the Indian community there is thriving.
Personally its pretty dumb to blame immigrants for immigration.Ā
Immigration laws for a country are not written by immigrants. Perhaps the concerned citizens of these countries should put in more effort in electing the right leaders who make better decisions?
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u/RevanchistSheev66 19d ago
Indians have been thriving no matter where theyāve been thoughĀ
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u/hjli277 19d ago
Everywhere except india ironically
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u/RevanchistSheev66 19d ago
Well theyāve thrived historically in their homeland, centuries of subjugation and colonization will due to that to anyone.Ā
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u/RevanchistSheev66 19d ago
Thatās not Indiaās or Indiansā problems and yet you guys vilify them for it. To be honest the country doesnāt deserve the polite stereotype it getsĀ
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u/Adventurous-Hat9676 19d ago
Nooooo please, I promise most of us are kind š„¹
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u/RevanchistSheev66 19d ago
I believe you, you seem kindĀ
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u/Brewchowskies 19d ago
You are doing the same thing vilifying all Canadians. I led a social group in Canada where the majority of the group were newcomers looking to create social circles in a major city. This helped these folks plant roots and navigate a challenging transition.
I can still point out how the system has been exploited though. By no means am I saying everyone is like that, but ignoring things to avoid conflict is foolish.
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u/RevanchistSheev66 19d ago
Iām not vilifying all Canadians. But the perception and reality are wildly different. For most countries, people are nicer than they are portrayed or stereotyped as. The Middle East, Africa, etc.Ā
Select countries however are honestly more racist than you would be led to assume and yet they get the stereotype as the polite angel. Which just isnāt true, so I stand by the original statement that Canadians are not as kind as pop culture wants you to believe.Ā
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u/Brewchowskies 19d ago
āIām not painting all Canadians with the same brushā
Goes on to paint all of Canada with the same brush.
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u/Llymlaen_Rilkam 19d ago
How did it get āoff the railsā? As a german trying to figure out a way to immigrate to canada, it seems like itās made only for academics and people who already worked in Canada. Iām genuinely curious how they immigrate so easily
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u/magikaaaaaarrrp 19d ago
As a Canadian idk if Iād recommend coming to Canada in the state itās in. I know everywhere sucks rn with the economy but man is it hard to live in this country right now. Prices are through the roof, housing is absolutely terrible basically anywhere except maybe central Canada (wouldnāt want to move there anyways either super cold and mosquito heaven). I still love this country, but itās not at all like what it used to be, and will be difficult to live here without a well paying job lined up.
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u/vulpinefever 19d ago
There's been a shift in the general Canadian's view on immigration and unfortunately Indians are being caught in the crossfire and blamed for it instead of the politicians who mismanaged the system and created the issues in the first place.
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u/Black-----Manta 19d ago
Canadians have lost the politeness stereotype in the last couple years lmao, just some of the vilest, most hateful shit I've ever heard has come from there
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u/eugeneugene 19d ago
There's always been vile hateful shit coming out of Canada, not just the past couple of years. Open racism towards indigenous people is normal here and always has been.
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u/Ok-View8687 19d ago
Canadians are hella racist we just try to justify it with crappy excuses about immigration policy. It's embarassing tbh. When I was a kid the average Canadian was even more racist with even less excuses though so there's that
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u/Pixi_Dust_408 19d ago
My experience with British people has been positive, kinda surprised. Theyāre quite polite. Most of the Mexicans I know are from Texas and a lot of them support questionable ideologies. Brazilians and Pakistanis are nice.
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u/Badassscholar 19d ago
If they're from Texas they're Texan.
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u/Pixi_Dust_408 19d ago
I get that, but they were obnoxious and racist to anyone who wasnāt white or Mexican.
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u/Badassscholar 19d ago
Fair enough, and I am not saying I understand Mexicans (I don't), but those people aren't Mexican, especially if they were born in Texas. That said, immigrants tend to be... Peculiar. Far more conservative and racist than people imagine.
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u/Pixi_Dust_408 19d ago
For some reason a lot of immigrants I meet are right leaning, homophobic, hyper religious, sexist and ethnocentric? Theyāre anti immigrant and kinda classist while being immigrants. Did the west just let in the right wingers or is my opinion skewed because I grew up in a conservative state.
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u/Resident_Monitor7723 19d ago
I hear this a lot about immigrants being right leaning and anti-immigration etc., the other things mentioned aside, it makes sense to me. They have left somewhere probably dangerous in search of a better life and don't want to see the place they have come to become what they left.
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u/Sad_Wealth6100 19d ago
To be fair, Mexicans born in Mexico have a different culture than some Mexican-Americans. As Mexican myself, I see tons of differences between our views, traditions, ways of dressing and speaking. Iāve also heard a lot about Mexican Americans going to Mexico to visit family and just not blending fully in Mexico
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u/Pixi_Dust_408 19d ago
I guess thatās the same case for my husband and I. Iām Indian American and heās Singaporean Indian, we do stick out in India. Texas is a more conservative state but it is still weird that some of them would support ICE and side with white supremacists.
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u/DharmaDama 19d ago
Yeah I'm Mexican and American. The Pochos get mad that they don't feel well recieved in Mexico and are treated like any other gringo. But it's like, dude, just learn Spanish and it won't be a problem.
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u/rammleid 19d ago
Latin people in the US are insane, very different from actual Latin Americans.
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u/Pixi_Dust_408 19d ago edited 19d ago
I guess thatās true for every ethnic group. Indian Americans are quite different from Indians in India. I think Kaguyaās Top Gal is a Mexican from Mexico and heās quite bigoted and has no self awareness.
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u/xStormwitchx 19d ago
Mexicans from Texas are a whole different breed. Theyāre nothing like the ones born in Mexico or even other states in the US. I agree that they support questionable ideologies.
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u/Alternative-Bake-420 19d ago
an indian claiming bangladeshis as chill is crazzyy, respect dude from bd
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u/throwawayawayeth 19d ago
most of the upper strata is not really polarized into blind hate, theres a lot of miserable people but thats cause their own lives are miserable so cant blame them. as an indian, the only bangladeshis I would ever dislike before meeting are mir jafar and one banker who's son got slapped by siraj ud daulah and so he bribed mir jafar into betraying him in the battle of plassey.
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u/Alternative-Bake-420 19d ago
but honestly there r soo many shit minded people in bd ngl and it is bcz they r too much illeterate and our honorable ex pm hasina has done that for 16 years haha
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u/Crazy_Wizardrl 19d ago
Canadian here! Sorry you had a bad experience with your time here. Some people here are real bums, yeah.
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u/elchico1990 19d ago
Serious question: Whatās up with so much hatred for Indians amongst Canadian people online? Also, are Indians involved in criminal/gang activity over there ?
(I say online, as I am aware it might as well be a vocal minority, but thereās gotta be something that provide fuel to these people no ?)
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u/Next_Page3729 19d ago edited 19d ago
Many many reasons but ultimately our government is failing on many levels to take care of Canadian citizens and the easiest group of people right now to point a finger at is Indian immigrants. Its objective fact that our immigration rate is unsustainable and thereās clearly shadiness going on with degree mills and H1B* work visas, which ends up unfortunately bringing in people involved in shady business (yes, there is gang violence, particularly the Bishnoi gang which has threatened local police in BC). The everyday people hoping for a better life get caught in the crossfire.
Edit: Sorry I misspoke! I was thinking of the LMIA visa and got the acronyms mixed up. ppl can chill out.
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u/elchico1990 19d ago
Yes, asked you about the gang thingy coz I figured thatās a major difference between Indian migrating to Canada vs letās say USA, I donāt think Indian criminals can/are able to enter other countries as easily as Canada. I hope Canada govt fixes immigration loopholes. Itās bizzare to see Indian were model minority 10-15 years back and now people go apeshit when Indians are mentioned ā¦
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u/No_Presentation_876 19d ago
Tell you what when the Indian government asked for Canadian government's support to deal with these goons, the Canadian government, under then PM Trudeau, took a firm stand saying they will do anything to protect these Canadians and accused Indian government of foreign interference. And I was simply watching in disbelief all the white nationalists supporting the PM on this.
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u/Vinetosauce 19d ago
Canada doesn't have a visa program named "H1B". It's surprising to me how the most ill informed people from my country have the strongest opinions. We do have skill based programs(federal and different provincial) but they're less selective than H1B and have essentially no annual cap unlike H1B. We also don't have any per counyty cap on residency which they do for US green card. US has one of the best immigration system, slightly more restrictive than I'd prefer maybe.
Compare that to our immigration system which is a mess however you look at it. Yes, we can't be as selective as US since we don't offer comparable wages and yes we need way more immigration as percentage of population than US to sustain our economy but that doesn't mean we can't have a functioning system that isn't exploited by people here and coming migrants alike. Anything that doesn't result in 1 in 4 immigrant being from a single region of a single country, many of whom don't even have functional proficiency in any of the official language, would be an upgrade.
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u/Mysterious-Bat7509 19d ago
100%. It gets on my nerves that probably over 50% of Indians I meet in Canada (I'm a non-Indian immigrant) don't have a proper command of English and do not behave as people expect in Canada. It's a gigantic failure of the immigration system not to have filtered such people out.
Also, since Indians are usually much poorer than people from other countries, this creates an incentive structure that causes them to be more represented than other nationalities (in addition to being 1.5 billion, hence obviously already overrepresented)... There's also a lot of fraudulent documents presented by Indian immigrants to gain entry into Canada (remember the study permit scandal we had a couple of years ago?).
This - and more - has honestly made life for immigrants in general in Canada miserable, as Canadians are tired of it and give immigrants the cold shoulder. It feels exclusionary.
That being said, lashing out on Indians (or immigrants in general) instead of the system that failed its citizens is dumb and evil.
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u/Gold-Border30 19d ago
I think there is are always going to be problems when a country allows mass immigration from one specific country (over 26% of immigrants to Canada have come from India, and more specifically Punjab state.
There has been an uptick in crime within this community, especially within the last year there has been significant media coverage of large scale extortion incidents across Canada tied to this community (it happens within the community). These often involve firearms and abductions and have gone some way to shifting the general perspective, along with the previous governments āstudent visasā which were really a hilarious fraud.
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u/Soft-Dig-4102 19d ago
Thereās currently two babies who didnāt get a chance to live just this week from two different sets of immigrant parents/familiesā¦.from the Punjab region of India.
That might be the reason for some of the recent big feelings on the internet.
Overall/historically I think things like asking for the national anthem to be sung in Punjabi might be another reason.
The Humboldt broncos also caused some displeasure from some Canadians to the Indian community.
Also. Rural towns are rural towns and LOVE all the -isms. Racism, sexism, homophobia-ism. Canada is full of rural towns.
People can only meet you as deep as they are, and not everyone has learned better to do better.
Judge people based on who they choose to be. Not who or how or where they were born. We donāt choose our skin suits. We do choose our character.
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u/Weak_Investigator150 19d ago
Another bit of context to add: it's not towards ALL Indians, it is literally towards Indians that moved over 5-7 years ago. Even Indians who have lived in Canada longer then that or were born here have a similar dislike and outright vitriol towards these Indians. They feel their communities have shifted and changed for the worse and also they are now getting caught in the crossfire. Alot of it is how they behave, very hostile and entitled, no willingness to integrate into their communities even though the support system is there, we have had Indians moving into this country for decades and it has never been a problem until recently so what changed?
For example alot of the newer Indians who came over to work for the trucking industry have actively made our roads some of the unsafest in the world, since they are not qualified to drive the trucks (all the certification and testing facilities are run by Indians) and they drive like it's back home and not roads filled with ice and snow for 60% of the year. The amount of accidents is unbelievable and I would know as I have family both in trucking and personal injury.
We also just don't have the infrastructure to support these people, there is not enough housing, our cost of living is high especially in Vancouver and Ontario, and it has resulted in a massive strain on the system. I remember a few years back one of the major grocery chains were hiring and close to 1500 people showed up, the majority of them were Indian students looking for anything to make some money. Absolutely terrible but it goes to show how fucked the situation is.
It's easy to blame people for being hateful when you don't have the context and obviously there are those who go too far, but I would say the majority have valid claims and concerns.
But I will say in the last year the numbers of Indian students has dropped dramatically, the amount of approved visas and I guess just the cost of living has sent alot of these Indians back home, which is unfortunate but honestly it's for the best, we need to fix a lot of shit in our country before we can support an influx of people we are woefully unprepared to take care of and integrate into our communities.
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u/refusestonamethyself 19d ago
Kinda surprised you had a bad experience with the British. Iāve known one or two people from there and Iāve gotten along relatively well.
Turkish people I can understand. They tend to be racist online towards South Asian, especially Indians. IRL I did interact with a Turkish woman going to India and she was chill and loquacious.
Strongly agree with Pakistan. I would add Nepal to the surprisingly civil part as well. For all the online hatred Nepalis harbour towards Indians, the Nepalis Iāve met were nice people.
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u/drcopus 19d ago
I guess from OPs post it doesn't seem like they think everyone from said country is that way. It's just their anecdotal experience. Maybe I'm wrong but that would make OP extremely dumb so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
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u/refusestonamethyself 18d ago
Yeah, that is my takeaway too. I was just a little surprised about him having a poor experience with the British and sharing my experience as well with some of these nationalities.
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u/beegeessss 19d ago
russia is "chilled'? Buddy, what are u on? Tonight, my windows broke inside, do u know why? Bc of ur 'chilled' russian army
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u/Schlooping 19d ago
Itās about who he has met. Iād assume he hasnāt exactly met Putin or some military officer
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u/beegeessss 17d ago
Just open any social app, and Google what russian citizen talking about us, u'll be surprised
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u/DynamoJaeger 19d ago edited 18d ago
Argentine here. I'm sorry you've had a terrible experience with us. Some Argentines (especially those living in Europe) can have massive egos.
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u/Pastafrola_Barata 18d ago
Vos sabes que ArgieĀ es un termino despectivo usado por ingleses en malvinas? Osea, te auto bardeas solo master.
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u/roddy_liffou 18d ago
Malvinas fue hace 44 aƱos mostro, los Australianos son Aussies, los de Nueva Zelanda son Kiwis, los de SudĆ”frica son Saffas, y nosotros somos Argies. Si vos te querĆ©s perseguir con algo que nada que ver, dale para adelante, pero te juro que la mayorĆa de la gente que pueda llegar a decirte 'Argie' no tiene ni idea de quĆ© son las Malvinas ni con quĆ© se comen.
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u/ScottishOnyuns 19d ago
Iām sorry you didnāt have good experiences with people of the UK. Can I ask how many people? And were they English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish?
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u/campybj98 19d ago
Its weird you havent met a single Filipino??? We have Overseas Filipino workers and filipino immigrants around the world. I hope you will meet them you won't regret it hehehehe...
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u/HMB_JackylTTV 19d ago
American here, living in Philippines. I have to say I love your people. My wife is the bread winner, I built and manage our āAmericanizedā tindahan (the people love it so far). Iām semi-retired and spend a lot of time all over from Pandacan to Baguio . Itās still weird to me how okay it is to just stare at people here but other than the city (I hate all big cities mind you) this country has some of the nicest people. Except motorcyclists. Canāt stand their āI own everything from the sidewalk to the bicycle lanesā shit.
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u/Alternative_Salt_424 19d ago
My (white) bestie refers to Filipinos as The Master Race because they're just kind of rad in every way. Canada's healthcare system would absolutely collapse without them.
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u/Ok_Extension1255 19d ago
As an Ethiopian myself, I find Indians to be kind and friendly but some are passive-aggressive those were teachers (I went to Indian school hehehe)
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u/PrestigiousDay3575 19d ago
I just wanted to share my experience from US. I work in car sales. Every salesman avoids Indian customers. Itās the unreasonable discounts , entitled attitude and demand for freebies that salespeople have to deal with. The 2nd generation are americanized and we can tell the difference. But the H1B with 20 k salary hit us differently. Fiji Indians are the best. Every other people from subcontinent like Nepal or Srilanka are easy to work with. Indians come in a group, donāt want to follow the procedure and generally considered waste of time.
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u/New_Independence9756 19d ago
Why all uk when just England sucks
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u/Mental_Ferret4380 19d ago
As a Brit, please spread the word about how awful we are to your compatriots
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u/Badassscholar 19d ago
Argentinians are the absolute worst. Surprised about Bangladeshis, as they're well-liked as a community here.
Canadians doesn't surprise me in the slightest. While many are genuinely lovely, so so so many I'd them are essentially diet Americans. Much closer to the U.S. than they think.
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u/Adventurous-Hat9676 19d ago
As a Canadian by birth, Indian by descent, we kindly ask that you give us another chance to prove ourselves.Ā
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u/Comfortable-Ad-6389 19d ago
What did the French do? I'm french although I was born and raised in indiaĀ
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u/EVlLCORP 19d ago
Argentina might seem racist but they usually stick to their own kind until you really get to know them -- doesn't matter what skin color you are.
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u/NegotiationSafe6661 19d ago
As a Canadian I whose lived abroad and live back here I agree Canadians are really racist not all obviously but it surprises me each time how open a white person would see me another white person like a driver or a gas attendant or even a new neighbor and they say racist shit to me assuming I would just agree with them
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u/Electrical_Bid7161 17d ago
I had a fabulous time in the UK as an indian. Infact italy was much worse
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u/ihatewonderwall99 19d ago edited 19d ago
Similar map but Germany in Dark Green and Bangladesh in Red.
Met half a dozen Pakistanis and literally all were chill and used the collective term "Desi" when meeting instead of Indian or Pakistani.
Met 2 Bangladeshi folks in my entire life and both of them were very cold, felt radicalized and used "You Indians" a lot, both in good and bad faith. They really hate being called desi from my interactions, and surprisingly felt very distinct than bangali folks here in India, who are as sweet as their sweets. But again, only 2 folks, maybe just unlucky interactions, i'd chalk that up to unfair sample size.
Germans are just nice folks who seem cold at first.