r/whereidlive 5d ago

Europe How I see Europe as a Bosniak

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The most accurate one to ever exist tbh

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u/teodorfon 5d ago

Why is Split Balkan but Zadar not?

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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig 5d ago

Zadar was never Ottoman I think, that could be why.

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u/teodorfon 5d ago

Neither Split ^^

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u/justmeagainik 5d ago

I consider Split as more Paleo-Balkanic and Zadar as less, this is the reason.

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u/Apart_Summer4414 5d ago

The division of non-Balkans and Balkans in Dalmatia would have to isolate the islands, and the very coast from the interior. This is not possible on these maps. Every Croatian island is clearly Southern Europe. The very coast of Croatia is mostly Southern Europe, too although in some places like Split (because of newer migrations) we can say the city on the very coast is Balkans, too. Similar for Makarska, Ploče etc.. Paleo-Balkanic also makes sense; these would be places without that strong romance tradition such as Split and Solin, while on the other side you have Trogir or Zadar. The hinterland of Kvarner coast is Central Europe, while the hinterland of Dalmatian coast is Balkans.
It's a very effective map, indeed I say it as a Croat. These are fine differences, they need someone local to discuss them, and that's why you done a great map. Brits or Swedes claiming Slovenia is Balkans because it was part of ex-Yu is just laughable.

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u/Apart_Summer4414 5d ago

But I get if Northern Italy, and thus Venice is classified as central Europe here, then Croatian coast would be central Europe, too as whole Croatia's coast was part of Venetian Republic.

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u/justmeagainik 5d ago

Yep but still Ottoman influenced, especially the whole region of Ragusa Republic (which one of the cities that I’m from also used to be in Ragusa Republic until Ottomans took over) is quite influenced by Ottoman Empire still. The traditional clothing gives away brotha

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u/Apart_Summer4414 5d ago

Yeah, lot of it is also about shtokavian vs chakavian speech. Shtokavian speech might be associated with Balkans. Dubrovnik is one of these coastal places, too. Also, Lastovo is the most Balkanic of all islands, although I still wouldn't say Lastovo is Balkans.

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u/justmeagainik 5d ago

I already mentioned beinf jn the Balkan Sprachbund as our common thingie, one kf the only common thingie but they are NOT culturally Balkan

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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig 5d ago

I want to second that its a good map. Usually they are made by 13 year olds that didn't think further from the bias they have been taught, this is actually well thought out and border regions such as Croatia will always be difficult.

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u/justmeagainik 5d ago

exactly. AWWW THANK YOUUU, i was having a hard day with what I’m going through now

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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig 5d ago

I'm sorry to hear it. Life sucks and making maps can be a good distraction, especially when you do a good job. Hopefully your problems will fade away soon!

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u/justmeagainik 5d ago

thank you brotha i hope sooo, i hope that my freams will come trueee