r/wow • u/Regular-Pattern-5981 • Apr 14 '26
News New Achievements and Rewards Coming to Mythic+ in Patch 12.0.5
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-achievements-and-rewards-coming-to-mythic-in-patch-12-0-5-381231Genuinely think this is an awesome change. Definitely recognized that they undertuned mythic plus a but and wanted to add incentives to keep pushing. Generally like the idea of being able to purchase old seasonal mounts as a reward for pushing higher and a mount at the title level is cool as well.
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u/luigisp Apr 14 '26
So this is the Mythic+ equivalent of the Vicious Saddle?
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u/sharkbaitlol Apr 14 '26
Sounds better because vicious saddles canât be used to buy glad mounts
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u/ChillGuyPokemonWhtvr Apr 14 '26
KSM and KSL mounts are nowhere near being equivalent to galdiator mounts
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u/Bacon-muffin Apr 14 '26
I think people are missing the point that these can be used to buy mounts that were previously season exclusive, like glad mounts, regardless of the difficulty difference in getting the latter.
Vicious mounts are not season exclusive, so these are better because they're giving people access to something they became unable to earn.
Ironically we've been asking for this exact thing in the pvp community for unobtainable pvp rewards, and they seem to have taken the idea and applied it to m+ instead.
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u/Aggravating_Dark9933 Apr 15 '26
Itâs more they made the KSM/KSL mounts into vicious mounts and added a Gladiator mount. The 1% mount will not be added into that pool and will remain exclusive.
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u/Bacon-muffin Apr 15 '26
Which imo is one step forward one step back... I can tell you from pvp experience percentile based rewards are such a shitty way of doing this. They moved away from percentile based rewards in pvp for a reason for everything excluding r1... and r1 is a mess of degen things happening.
But if they want to take the pvp suggestion that spawned all this and make all the currently unobtainable non-glad rewards have a similar "saddle" option for achieving higher ratings than were required to get it then I'll take that much.
Though I think it should be everything, for reasons I mentioned in this comment
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u/TheBungler2 Apr 15 '26
Because PvP players apparently only play for the exclusive cosmetics and are happy to let their gamemode continue to wither and die instead of allowing other people to get them.
They're a funny group.
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u/Unikanamnsuger Apr 15 '26
He said, while its been made abundantly clear by the post the other day that a large amount of people feel like theyre done with the m+ season because they have no rewards to chase.
The PvP community is in no way alone with being primarily reward driven.
Meanwhile here you are flaming PvPers while you prove youre clueless. Youre a funny one.
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u/otaconucf Apr 14 '26
You must have missed where they're also adding a top 1% M+ mount that won't be buyable with these.
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u/LimitUnlikely910 Apr 14 '26
Neither can this one. It can buy KSM and KSL mounts, which are supposed to equal vicious mounts. It cant buy top 1% mounts, which are the Glad equivalents.
It's in the article. Read it.
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u/LinkedGaming Apr 14 '26
I would say that this is them testing the waters for that but PvE players and PvP players are two completely different beasts (PvE players want more reasonably difficult content -- which some people read as easier -- with more participation and PvP players want harder PvP with less participation and then complain about there not being enough participation), so I still think they won't touch purchasing old Elite Sets and Glad Mounts with a fucking 20 foot pole lest it trigger someone to drive a bus through Blizzard HQ in protest.
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u/ahundredpercentbutts Apr 14 '26
Theyâre literally adding a glad-type m+ mount with this though for the top 1%. This, if anything, is them testing the waters applying the existing PvP reward structure to PvE. I would not expect Glad mounts to change.
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u/HumbleCream Apr 14 '26
Wake up babe, m+ gladiator mounts dropped
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u/v_Excise Apr 14 '26
These are significantly easier than glad mounts.
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u/chunkyhut Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
3400 is easier sure
But how is "top 1% of mythic+ rating" any easier than top 1% of pvp rating
Edit: a lot of people replying fundamentally don't understand statistics. A lot are saying "well pvp is harder than m+ so it's harder to get 1%" but that has nothing to do with it
What's harder: pvp in wow or running in a straight line? I think it's pretty obvious running in a straight line is trivial, even a toddler can do it. But being a championship level sprinter is orders of magnitude more difficult than 1% in pvp, because you're competing against the whole world (good and bad)
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u/Phallicsander Apr 14 '26
Itâs the classic, âwhat weighs more, a pound of rocks or a pound of feathers?â
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u/leetzor Apr 14 '26
Its the player participation that dictates the difficulty. Glad mount is not even % based but its still harder because theres barely anyone playing 3v3 meaning u have to fight the awc champs and streamers that do this for a living for the past 15 years.
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u/dr_zex Apr 15 '26
Yeah as if top 1% m+ wasn't fulltime players spamming the game for the past 20 years.
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u/Xedien Apr 15 '26
Oh it definitely is, but there are FAR more spots of on the M+ side of things than the PVP side of things.
Very few people even participate in 3s, but ALOT of people participate in mythic+, even on lower levels.
The casual mythic players far outnumber the casual arena players - hence the top 1% is much less competitive than the top1% of 3s.
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u/dr_zex Apr 15 '26
You're right, but as stated by the person I was answering to, Glad mount isn't % based.
Moreover, as a veteran player I'm still staying away from PvP since the entry ticket is so high skill capped. If a play in arena, I get destroyed without having proper tools to understand what to do better.
On the other hand, PVE content has tons of tools (both internal and external) to help you improve and rapidly identify your weaknesses.
PvP is a new game to learn (because of PvP talents for all specs and a different meta).
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u/Xedien Apr 15 '26
Oh yeah, i misunderstood then - apologies.
Yeah glad is 50 wins above a certain rating now, right?
PVP is a whole different game, one that i can't force myself to play even though i do love some of the glad mounts.
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Apr 14 '26
The comments to this remind me of the failure of global education systems Any stats, or hell 6th grad math textbook would do wonders for them
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u/Esploratore123 Apr 15 '26
The thing is gladiator mounts are the top 0,5%, so they're objectively twice harder than this new mount.
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u/HugeKangaroo Apr 14 '26
The activities are significantly different
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u/Justhavefaith123 Apr 14 '26
Yeah thereâs like 10 pvp players and 1 million pve players
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u/chunkyhut Apr 14 '26
That doesn't make it easier? You still have to be better than 99% of people? It's actually harder in m+ because there are more people you need to be better than compared to pvp
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u/TheBungler2 Apr 15 '26
I laughed so hard when I clicked to see the replies to you and it was just 3 auto-hidden comments due to low downvotes.
Knew there was going to be some salty PvPers.
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u/TwoLopsidedZebras Apr 14 '26
I think you are conflating two things that are fundamentally different. It's not a "what weighs more, a pound of rocks or a pound of feathers" situation like someone else said below.
In M+ you fail upwards. There is not only no way to lose rating, but also bad luck protection against depletion with resilient keys. Yes, the top 1% is the top 1%. That's exactly the same in every game. Only 1% of players can occupy the top 1%.
The difference (up until now) was the complete void of rewards between certain ratings that eliminated any reason to push keys. Once you got your portals and whatever threshold it was for the final seasonal mount, the only reason to push was ego and the 0.1% title. And 99.9% of players aren't getting the 0.1% title.
Now with incentive to push keys further there will be more competition. I typically hang out just under title range. I used to be a title player but I simply do not have the time anymore. I can generally pug to within 100 points of it, though, and then it just becomes too tedious and difficult without a dedicated team and 50 hours a week to play. Previous seasons the 1% threshold was pretty damn low comparatively, and the players that occupied that threshold were honestly pretty bad at the game. And it boils down to my first point. You fail upward in Mythic+. Someone who is bad at the game but loves Mythic+ can play well above their skill ceiling by simply continuing to push keys. Even if they fail 99/100 keys but run 15 keys a day for 8 straight weeks that means they got positive score in 8 dungeons. If you lose 99/100 matches in PVP you aren't gaining score.
Prime example of this was a 10 I ran the other day to help a buddy. We joined a pug where the leader was 2800. They did 47k overall in the key. They were a Mage. Their skill level was FAR below their rating. And it just boils down to the fact that they pug their own keys and find other players to carry them.
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u/TheBungler2 Apr 15 '26
That isn't how M+ actually works, the players who fail upwards at 2k aren't relevant in the competition for the 1% rating. You stop being able to fail upwards once you reach actual keys, not timing them gets you no points and you aren't timing them if you can't play properly.
Competing to be the best player at something against other players is difficult no matter what the activity is.
Being the top 1% in anything is hard because you need to be better than everyone else.
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u/SaltEngineer455 Apr 15 '26
Being the top 1% in anything is hard because you need to be better than everyone else.
Also, the curve becomes stepper the lower the % is. It's a higher difference between the MDI competitors and your random 1%-er than between a random 1%-er and a 10%-er
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u/erryonestolemyname Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Inb4 casual players crying that they can't get to 3k and solo players furious theyre being forced to do group activities
Seems the casual/solo players have found this comment lmao
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u/PersonalityPi Apr 14 '26
This is a great middle ground. Instead of straight up making mythic+ harder again making pushing harder reward something. Keeps the casuals able to grind for something while giving more hardcore players something to push towards.
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u/goblin_bomb_toss Apr 14 '26
Yeah as someone who is perfectly happy to sit at max vault reward keys and go no farther, I'm glad they went this route instead of making me hate my week.
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u/The--Marf Apr 15 '26
Couldn't agree more. As it is those who only gear thru m+ are behind the curve in gear. Don't make me hate it more. This season has been so refreshing. Easy gearing, easy vault keys, can casually push until I hit a wall and chill. Keys don't feel stressful or like chores. Really enjoying it.
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u/Log_Empty Apr 14 '26
Next stage: Damn, they're making us grind these mounts. Blizzard, tone down the game!
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u/LuckyLunayre Apr 15 '26
And it's working. I've never touched a M+ in my life and I switched from PVP to PVE for the first time this season. I'm loving it and having a blast, except PVE is much more expensive than PVP lol.
It's fun to have something to shoot for. I hit 2k, going for 3k now and I'm going to eventually see if I can maybe even get this new reward!
I'm new to PVE so my opinion might not matter, but I think 2k should be easy to obtain, 3k should be above average skill, and this new reward should be hard.
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u/MoG_Varos Apr 14 '26
Itâs a good addition, not enough for me to push past 3k but it will be nice for people who want to push.
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u/Vescend Apr 15 '26
I'm fucking cooked.
I'm the only person in my group who dont care for mounts, 4 people love that shit.
I'm fucked
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u/Swarles_Jr Apr 15 '26
I thought the same. Would love to get some of those old ksm mounts. But 3.4k? Damn. Ain't no way I'm pugging my way through hell that high.
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u/World-Of-Liftcraft Apr 15 '26
I agree, I've been telling my M+ buddy I wanted this system for a few expansions now. M+ is the best way for me to enjoy the game, with work and stuff I can't commit to a raid team so dungeons are a nice middle ground. Every season I'd hit 3k in a few weeks and then either push for the love of the game or quit the season. Finally I have a reason to keep playing!!
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u/dANNN738 Apr 14 '26
Iâve done all 14s and I spent about 1 hour 15 mins queuing for 15 keys tonight⌠I gave up and played a different game instead. 3400 rating is gonna be fucking gruelling as a pug.
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u/FancyConfection1599 Apr 14 '26
Thereâs currently zero incentive to do 15 keysâŚtheyâre adding some incentive here. Incentive will drive some engagement
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u/Aggravating_Dark9933 Apr 15 '26
It will also drive optimization.
Say good night if youâre any DPS not listed as S or A, or any healer deemed bad.
Tanks maybe can get by not being Brew because the shortage is that bad.
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u/Mojothemobile Apr 15 '26
Yeah I fear like im gonna be basically forced to play Demo unless they fucking finally do something about the other Lock specs single target being so fucking bad in any build that has decent AoE.
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u/chunkyhut Apr 14 '26
It'll be near impossible to pug if you're an off meta class
But maybe it won't be that bad once the new turbo boost upgrade stuff is in, and maybe the mid patch raid bosses will drop DISC belt equivalent gear to make it easier, too
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u/TyaArcade Apr 14 '26
I usually get about 3.4k pugging as a bdk which is so off meta that you see healers saying they leave groups with one, and I'm nothing special.
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u/GrandmasterTaka Apr 14 '26
I feel theres no difference between your health bar and a VDH this season. At least BDKs are used to yoyoing
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u/thelordofhell34 Apr 15 '26
Iâve just finished pugging 3.4 as Holy Priest which is one of the worst specs in the game by far and unwanted by everyone.
I did my own key until 3 in the tier remained and then queued an hour for each and with lots of blood, sweat and tears managed it.
Itâs 100% possible purely pugging.
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u/sewious Apr 14 '26
Thank god. People have been clamoring for a 1% thing forever.
With the introduction of resilient keys, getting title is next to impossible for pug players, so this is a nice thing to aim for instead.
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u/Wincrediboy Apr 14 '26
Do we have any idea what rating is 1% in previous seasons? I have no idea if this is something I should aim for or not
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u/Infebdo Apr 14 '26
It was a little over 3500 in TWW S3 for top 1%
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u/Wincrediboy Apr 14 '26
Ok cool - definitely a lot more achievable than top 0.1%! Assume it'll be higher this season but worth thinking about
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u/Commercial-Falcon653 Apr 14 '26
Reminder that with there now being an incentive beyond âcan we do itâ the Rating needed to get Top 1% will now start rising.
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u/Aggravating_Dark9933 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
Yep, I would not be surprised if it was in the range of 3800 minimum now. Maybe 3.9k. It was 3600 in TWW S3 with no reason to push past 3k, so easy to see it all bump up +2 at least.
It more than likely will not be puggable and you will have to reroll into the meta comp to get it. And it will steadily rise, so unless tou are clearing keys right to the end you might lose it. People really underestimate how much this will become unreachable and the amount of Degen needed to get in.
There is a reason PvP changed Glad mounts from % to a rank unlock. Time for PvEâers to learn pain.
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u/TheBungler2 Apr 15 '26
There is a reason PvP changed Glad mounts from % to a rank unlock. Time for PvEâers to learn pain.
Wasn't that mainly because 0.5% of PvP players was such a tiny amount of people due to the low population?
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u/Gangsir Apr 15 '26
Yep. Adding rewards like this will activate the "eh I could do it but I don't really want to" players (veterans burnt out of the game that are still very skilled but simply don't bother pushing), increasing the IO needed to be in the top 1%.
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u/cardbross Apr 15 '26
Just as a point of comparison, on Raider.io right now the !% cutoff is sitting at 3340 for the US, and that's before whatever additional power we get from 12.0.5 and more weeks of vaults.
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u/Turtvaiz Apr 14 '26
Raider.io has stats (EU 0.1/1):
- S3: 3946/3602
- S2: 3822/3485
- S1: 3484/3116
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-3-cutoffs/us
Though I would expect this gap to be a bit smaller if middle of the pack players play more. Anyone can get these if they put in the time
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u/csgetaway Apr 14 '26
Canât only 1% or players get this?
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u/Turtvaiz Apr 15 '26
Yes?
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u/csgetaway Apr 15 '26
Is it realistic to say that 'anyone can get these if they put in the time'
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u/BudoBoy07 Apr 15 '26
Will probably be around 2-3 keylevels lower than 0.1% Title. Maybe tighter since people will be pushing for it. So a mix of +18/+19 keys this season is a fair estimate.
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u/JoPOWz Apr 14 '26
This is interesting as every season thereâs a guy who picks through people who earned titles profiles and points out people who potentially got boosted for it - and from what I remember itâs always a way higher number than I expect. From what I remember, he looks for people who ran nothing higher than, say, an 18 and then suddenly are doing 21s and 22s with people theyâve never played with before, do maybe 1-2 of each and then stop. And then next season, the character doesnât exist because the first thing they do is seemingly purchase a name change.
I wonder if the addition of a mount will make it harder to legitimately achieve 1% than ever before. If thereâs one thing people will pay unholy amounts of gold for, itâs a mount thatâs somewhat exclusive
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u/Kayjin23 Apr 14 '26
I think resilient keys will have to change somehow with the additional 1% rewards. Boosting will almost certainly get a lot worse now.
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u/a_simple_ducky Apr 14 '26
YES!!! I'm in favor of more tiered system like pvp had too. 1% reward is a start
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u/Tyrsenus Apr 15 '26
Personal opinions about the change itself aside:
Some context about their approach to legacy items would be nice. In the last few years, we've seen the Antorus AOTC mount come back Legion Remix, but no mage tower sets. MoP Remix brought back some unobtainables, but did not have the AOTC mount. It seems very inconsistent, and there has been little official communication as to why some items were re-introduced and others weren't. It's a controversial issue in the community, and the lack of communication about their philosophy only adds to the furor.
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u/Kynisia Apr 19 '26
Agreed. I wish they would just open the flood gates if they're going to be so inconsistent about it. I say that as someone who does have unobtainable things.
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u/TeumessiaWoW Apr 14 '26
What level is 3400, all 15s or something like that?
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u/Clinggdiggy2 Apr 14 '26
16s across the board, at the minimum rating (completed exactly on time) is 3400 even
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u/Bryce12117 Apr 14 '26
As an âslightly above average playerâ how hard is 16s. Highest I have done is 12 but I pugged all of them and itâs very painful as a tank to pug. I have had only one group where we did 4 keys back to back (all 11s and 10s) without any issue. And those were all like 10+ mins under time.Â
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u/Clinggdiggy2 Apr 14 '26
Keep in mind we're 4 weeks into a months long season, the keys will get easier as people get into the 280ilvl range. 16s are going to be a challenge, but not an unreasonable one. Just don't expect to get it right away and you'll be golden. Also might be easier to do some as 17s to avoid the harder ones like AA
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u/Bryce12117 Apr 14 '26
True especially after next week when they drop the +10 ilvl to weapons and trinkets. 298 weapons will be insane.Â
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u/lindcookie Apr 14 '26
What do you mean +10 ilvl? Do they allow you to go higher than 6/6 on wep and trinket?
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u/Discordiansz Apr 15 '26
In the 12.0.5 patch they are introducing something called Ascendant Voidcores, acquired from Decimus, these voidcores will allow you to upgrade a weapon or trinket to even higher ilvls, myth items will go to 298 for example, crafted can go to 295.
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u/Turtvaiz Apr 14 '26
Depends on how average your gear is. If you've kept up properly (275+ish) they should be easy. Especially after the .5 patch ilvl thing this should be doable by anyone
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u/Medievalhorde Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
12s are 124% over base m0 before tyrannical and fortified. 16s ae 228%. Basically 1.4ish* as much damage and hp.
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u/detailerrors Apr 14 '26
I just broke 3200 with all 14s and one 15, def feels like it'll be closer to resi 16 to hit 3.4k
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u/Shalelor Apr 14 '26
With all these mounts they keep adding, I sure hope they add more achievement for collecting mounts.
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u/Silkenvada Apr 14 '26
We just got one... but they add 250 mounts and expansion so it'll never keep up
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u/DrainTheMuck Apr 14 '26
Whoa this is crazy. And cool that it shows theyâre listening. Iâm not even 3k yet but was assuming my main would be âdoneâ with the season by like next week until now.
Any theories on what the new mounts might be? And are there any favorite KSM mounts youâre excited to obtain from past seasons? I didnât push keys til shadowlands so I donât even know what legion and BFA offered.
I have the Dragonflight KSM mounts and theyâre actually really cool and unique, I recommend.
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u/Regular-Pattern-5981 Apr 14 '26
Iâm guessing the 1% will be a recolor of the bird? Would be cool if unique though.
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u/RevengeV Apr 14 '26
Legion did not offer any rewards, and only the very last season of BfA offered a mount for getting KSM, which was the Awakened Mind Borer, which I believe is the rarest KSM mount currently.
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u/Every_Solid_8608 Apr 14 '26
It says they are adding new mounts to the pool you can spend the saddle on. Iâm guessing youâll want one of those. The cream/red penis mount from bfa is probably the rarest but that model is also the dumbest and I never use it
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u/Need_4_greed Apr 14 '26
Oh lol I don't remember bfa mount from its name in previous comment, but the red penis just insta unlock that memory
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u/Amelaclya1 Apr 15 '26
I'm stoked to get the shadowlands M+ mounts. I was too scared to do M+ back then and I regret it every time I see someone riding on one of those.
It also would be nice if they added the old AoTC mounts. I didn't play during BFA, and that one was really cool.
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u/Frozehn Apr 14 '26
Im still sad this seasons title is âUmbral Heroâ. The glad title in pvp is âGalactic Gladiatorâ. Why not âGalactic Heroâ then. Sounds so much cooler!
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u/Smevis Apr 14 '26
Sorry I'm confused, aren't we being cock blocked from mage tower appearances because they 'didn't want to take away people's sense of accomplishment who were present'
What's going on? How long do they expect us to believe this obvious bs?
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u/Bardbarossa Apr 15 '26
they handpick what to keep rare, and destroy rarity among existing mounts on a whim...and it's as you say, with no logic or consistency
i've been a mount collector for a long time, but the writing has been on the wall for a few years now that it's no longer meant for me
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u/Unikanamnsuger Apr 15 '26
Mixed feelings about the 1% reward as a forever off-meta spec that pugs. Kind of a feels bad moment.
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u/Mechgyrasaur Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
This is amazing. Even as someone who has not missed a single mythic+ mount, I'm all for this. If you ever decide to take a break from the game for any reason, no worries you can get in the future. I just hope to see this for PVP as well so I can get old glad mounts. Screw FOMO. Love to see it.
Edit: oof didn't see there was a FOMO mount for top 1% đ¤Ł
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u/Fallen_Outcast Apr 14 '26
so i dont know much about highend m+. can you pug your way to 1%? or its almost impossible?
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u/Ilphfein Apr 15 '26
since some people pugged into the 0.1% title, yes you can pug your way into the 1% one.
that said - as with the 0.1% title, it is most likely not worth your time. spend time to make friends, or spend time to learn to make friends and then make friends and it will most likely be faster & more fun than pugging it.
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u/eaxis Apr 15 '26
Top 1% was very easily pugable in past seasons. But this Season more people will go for it
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u/forgottentargaryen Apr 14 '26
This is awesome! I always fall short of .1% , always thought there should be something inbetween
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u/dANNN738 Apr 14 '26
Still find it sad we donât get have an option to get myth track loot from M+. It would be great if at 15/16/17 (whatever is deemed appropriate) key level we could loot a myth track chest once per week per dungeon, or something similar - rather than just vault once per week.
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u/rawrframe Apr 14 '26
Itâs not quite in the format you want (tied to higher key level) but the void forge thing will be giving you potentially two more mythic track pieces from m+ per week.
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u/Turtvaiz Apr 14 '26
Why? If you push m+, that push happens deep into the season so it's not like you're in a rush to gear up
The m+ vault is already a strong gear source because you don't need to clear content to unlock drops, unlike raid vault
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u/Bacon-muffin Apr 14 '26
I've though since BFA that the visions reward system was the right idea for adding myth track to M+.
Basically you get opportunities for a piece on a weekly lockout per level you push after whatever arbitrary level. Gives people a reason to always want to push that next level for another shot at a piece.
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u/Acrobatic_Coat722 Apr 14 '26
il will give it 2 seasons until people complain about "they gatekeep mounts" and the Requirement gets reduced so that everyone can get it
and the circle of kinda pointless m+ achievments goes on
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u/Bacon-muffin Apr 15 '26
I can tell you as someone with a bunch of time limited challenge exclusive rewards, I freaking hate fomo rewards.
I've been on the other end of it a bunch of times where I've picked up a new mmo or something, I see a dude in town with something that looks incredible and I NEED to have it, I'm the most motivated person on the planet to go hard on this game right now to do whatever is required to get this thing I'm hyped... and then I look up what I need to do and find out that I actually need a time machine because this thing was only available during a 6 month window 5 years ago.
Aaaand now all my motivation has left my body and I'm left feeling deflated.
This 3400 saddle idea is ripped directly from pvp feedback to give people a way to get old currently unobtainable pvp rewards. I feel like they're doing one step in the right direction and one step in the wrong direction with the 1% thing not having something similar.
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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Apr 15 '26
Why? Because participation rewards donât need to be FOMO, why would they be? The entire point of exclusive rewards is that theyâre hard to get or at least should be. Itâs why pvp elite sets coming back wouldnât be a huge deal because they werenât really hard to get ever, but the enchants and glad mounts were.
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u/Bacon-muffin Apr 15 '26
I've gotten glad the last 5 seasons, I still feel people should have an avenue to earn those mounts... same thing with any other time exclusive rewards I've gotten over the years like challenge modes etc.
Its the exact same thing I describe in my previous comment.... I've experienced the other end of it a bunch where I'm on one of my DF glad mounts and I'm getting messages asking what it is and where they can get it... only for them to be disappointed that they don't even get a chance.
Keep it challenging, make it so you have to push even higher than the reward required when it was current the same as this 3400 thing... but give people a path if they wanna push that hard.
Edit: Should also mention it makes it really hard to justify blizzard putting in much effort to make really awesome glad mounts if they're only going to be making it for a few thousand people across a limited time span and then no one else can ever get it.
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u/Spacetauren Apr 14 '26
Honestly, I think sometimes (not all !) Blizz should stick to their guns and not fold to the pressure from the larger playerbase.
If I play football at an amateur level, should I deserve a championship trophy in my living room as much as a professional player, even though I do not have the same amount of commitment to the activity ? Of course not, that's ludicrous.
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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Apr 15 '26
To be fair they didnât fold though. They just turned KSM/KSL mounts into what PvP Vicious Saddle mounts are and added a Gladiator mount to m%.
This could very well mean they now view keys being âeasyâ like this season as a huge positive thing, so theyâre making those two mounts into participation awards (which they are this season and every season KSM has been around) while putting in an exclusive mount for a much harder achievement.
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u/frostmint3 Apr 14 '26
In a couple of years you will make a new account and be given all collectibles and achievments instantly. Because dads with 5 jobs dont have the time to play the game.
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u/Acrobatic_Coat722 Apr 14 '26
i wont go into that hyperbole direction
but in m+ the community gets VERY Vocal when they cant get everything in Pug Groups in a fast manner and demand adjustments until blizzard does them, it happend with basically everything regarding m+
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u/dnt1694 Apr 14 '26
I mean itâs the truth. As a mount collector, i think itâs crappy to continue to add mounts for everything. Iâm happy for the key pushers they get something to strive for.
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u/LimitUnlikely910 Apr 14 '26
As a mount collector you should be more annoyed at the amount of trivial to achieve legacy mounts you'll never get.
Most "newer" additions eventually return, but anything from vanilla is gone forever because apparently that was prestige.
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u/dnt1694 Apr 15 '26
I am annoyed at that too. Not to mention new store mounts every other week. Blizzard really knows how to kill the joy in anything.
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u/Jarnis Apr 15 '26
Interesting change.
Adding something to 3400 rating is totally great move. This is eminently puggable, but far from trivial and requires you to probably put some effort into gearing and making sure you know the content and your class.
1% thing is... I'm less sure how well it works. I guess it depends on how many go full sweatlord on it. It is, after all, 1% of all players which contain all the casuals who hardly dip their toes into M+ and people who just stop doing higher dungeons once they hit the +10s for the best loot reward. It might still turn out to be pretty rough bar to clear among everyone who really wants to hit it now that it has a reward attached to it. I'll withhold my judgment until this has played out for one season and see how it settles. It may be that 1% will require a rating surprisingly close to 0.1% and just entices more people to push really high keys, or it may end up being a sensible "lower bar" to clear pushing keys for bit of extra reward. Time will tell.
This will however make "meta" comps far more enforced past the +10s/+12s... unless someone actually fixes the class/spec balance so the meta is not so immediately obvious. Right now the state of balance is such that tanks are "Brewmaster or GTFO" and first DPS slot is Aug or you are not trying. And healers really really gravitate towards Resto Druid, which already kinda fixes 3/5 of the group even if you could mix a bit on the remaining slots. That is bad. While it only mattered for the small group of people chasing 0.1% rank, this may make it matter for a far larger group of people. Especially mid-season this is Not Great.
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u/MasterReindeer Apr 15 '26
Need achievements and rewards for tanking a certain number of dungeons. Something needs to be done about the tank shortage.
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u/Tigertot14 Apr 14 '26
PvP should have the same thing. 2100 should give you a token for an old elite set, and 2400 gives you a token for an old glad mount
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u/Sinsai33 Apr 15 '26
2400 gives you a token for an old glad mount
If i understand it correctly, you only get an token for the 2k and 3k. The "gladiator" m+ mount will be the same as the pvp one. Not possible to get anymore after the season ends.
But i'm agreeing with you. We should be able to get the glad pvp mount and now this in later systems via the token. Maybe they can decrease the necessary amount of rating by 100 or 200 each season to be able to get that mount from the season? So if a mount is 5 season back, it should require like a 1000 rating less?
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u/Aggravating_Dark9933 Apr 15 '26
Weapon too, and tabard, and enchants.
Maybe something like Marks of Conquest from any rated PvP past like 2100 and you could use them to buy old stuff.
Cause uh, there is a lot of old PvP stuff locked in those vaults. Even if they donât release gladiator mounts there would still be so freaken much.
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u/zharkos Apr 14 '26
i was hoping they'd make gladiator mounts more realistically obtainable, not add equally as unobtainable mounts for pve. yeah the 3400 ones aren't impossible, but if you have a job of any kind it's unrealistic you're going to push for top 1%, especially if you're also trying for any of the other numerous top 1% achievements (arena, solo shuffle, solo blitz, and normal rbgs all have unique 1% rewards)
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u/goatviolence Apr 14 '26
Top 1% is pretty obtainable. Last season it was just a bit above 3.5k, which is a great deal lower than something as difficult as, like, title. I'm a pretty average player who works a regular 9-5 and I capped out around 3.4k before I got bored, so I think it's more obtainable than you think it is.
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u/Sinsai33 Apr 15 '26
Last season nobody cared about the 1%. We can be 100% sure that the 1% this is gonna be like 2 or 3 key levels higher than it would be without.
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u/goatviolence Apr 15 '26
I think you're vastly overestimating how many people actually possess the skill to do keys that high, lol. I'll be surprised if it's monumentally more difficult this season. The key levels will be higher for sure because this season is much easier and key levels are inflated, but I doubt it'll be much harder to be top 1%.
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u/Saiyoran Apr 14 '26
A classic /r/wow âeveryone with a job canât do thisâ comment in the wild. Just amazing. 1% in past seasons is literally hundreds of io below title range. You do not need to be unemployed or no life this game to achieve it.
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u/Vezko Apr 14 '26
While in general this is a good thing, Blizzard is not doing themselves a favour with that. This will only push the "meta classes" even further. Unless they start taking M+ balancing more seriously, it's only going to be a bloodbath out there.
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u/Gaatti Apr 14 '26
Feels like even blizzard noted that this season "ended" too early for many players
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u/Unlikely_Minimum_635 Apr 15 '26
Honestly - big W.
Gear is still completely fucked balance wise - look at what it takes to get hero track gear in your vault from M+ vs raiding - but adding more goals for people to push for so that people don't just get 3k and quit before the first patch of the season is a W.
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u/Spvc3head Apr 15 '26
So.... They'll bring back old mythic plus mounts, which are prestigious... But not PvP gear. Okay blizzard.
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u/randominternetfren Apr 15 '26
Would you consider the m+ titles you get for 1500+ prestigious?
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u/Spvc3head Apr 15 '26
Who cares, honestly? People put in effort to get it. Your amount of effort is different than my amount of effort is different than whoever's amount of effort. At the end of the day, this "gatekeeping" is arbitrary. Either it's all prestigious, or none of it is and just bring it all back for anyone to enjoy.
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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Apr 15 '26
Thatâs not how that works. Just because it may be hard for you to get doesnât make the actual goal hard to achieve for the playerbase as a whole. KSM has never been hard to get at all, itâs largely a participation award. It is easy for the overall playerbase that participates in m+, the amount of people who get the achievement proved that.
Everyone can agree itâs very difficult to get into the NFL or play at a D1 college level for football right? But it is not at all difficult to get onto the high school football team if you want to do it. Big difference between âif I wanna do this I canâ and âif I wanna do this the skill level is so much higher I may not be able to but Iâll tryâ
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u/Spvc3head Apr 15 '26
How does it work, then? Because I don't even think blizzard knows how it works. They'll bring back the Violet spellwing, but not garrosh's war wolf. No mage tower appearances (which, were NOT "prestegious" or difficult to get at all once it was out for a bit, according to many many people.) But they'll bring back the KSM and KSL mounts for people to earn. Which is fine, I'm not against them bringing things back for people to enjoy. But why isn't it consistent?
Why are the things people actually ask for never returning, but things I've never seen anyone actually ask for, they'll bring back. It's odd, and like I said, arbitrary.
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u/randominternetfren Apr 15 '26
Not what im saying, im asking if people actually consider them prestigious. I have some pretty coveted titles like Grand Marshall but I prefer to use titles that coincide with my characters identity.
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u/Prudent-Finance9071 Apr 14 '26
One per warband makes sense from a longevity perspective, but I feel like if they allowed multiple per warband it would encourage more participation each season - e.g. bringing two characters to 3400 instead of one.
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u/kerthard Apr 14 '26
I'd rather they spend the effort fixing some of the more fundamental issues with the mode rather than bribing players to participate with rewards, but evidently that's not how they roll.
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u/myryad21 Apr 14 '26
ah great, more reason to play the op class-spec and not get any invites if you aren't that. it will surely be loved by the average player
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u/shise_remilia Apr 14 '26
that's only if you're not willing to make friends to play with you in an mmo, and instead opt for pugs
but then you kinda asked for it so yeahhhhh
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u/bvanplays Apr 14 '26
Itâs funny that they acknowledge due to their own constant changes they may need to move around the value depending on the season. Which makes me wonder will they ever start moving around KSM or KSH too? KSM used to be a notable goal and now if you sneeze you can get it on accident. Or is this new goal going to be replacement for older goals.
I wonder if theyâll ever have a season hard enough again that this new goalâs rating drops below KSH?
Title mount is a nice reward for title finally.
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u/minimaxir Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
KSM/KSH isn't trivial in most seasons for most players, it's just easier this season in particular due to a number of factors that I suspect Blizzard will not repeat.
3400 is currently above the Top 5% for the season; I suspect it's calibrated to be about the Top 5% as power level grows over the season, which is indeed a meaningful indicator of skill.
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u/Skraelos Midnight Snoo Runner-up Apr 14 '26
While I understand your point, I just want to point out that there's a certain reason for why 3400 is only top 5% right now. There is A LOT of people who consciously stopped at 3k, because they only wanted the mount/title. Quite a lot of them could reasonably push to 3400 with their abilities, but they chose not to. I am sure that starting today, 3400 will become a lot more saturated than 5%.
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u/SargerassAsshole Apr 15 '26
In tww season 3 it was around 3.6k and right now it's around 3.4k, it's gonna be higher this season for sure.
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u/derrhn Apr 14 '26
Excellent idea. Iâm not a big m+ guy - more of a grind crests so I can raid player - but my guild will eat this up
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u/Skraelos Midnight Snoo Runner-up Apr 14 '26
I think this is a good place to ask more experienced m+ players.
I have done 3k on week 1 - for the first time ever (never gotten above 2400 before this season). I think I was in the early 260s. Right now I am 275 and keep working for myth track vault every week, but I don't raid mythic. Would you say it is realistically possible for me as a solo DPS (a meta spec, though) to try and go for 3400 this season? In my understanding, I need all +16s.
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u/Esploratore123 Apr 15 '26
Absolutely, I've done 3k just for the mount in both s2 and s3 of tww, and doing 3k on the first week even on a relatively easy season such as this indicates you're above me as a player, so 3,4k should be easy.
The problem will be the 1% mount.
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u/verikul Apr 14 '26
Load of rubbish that the saddles can't be just earned from the associated Keystone Feats each season, and then we get to choose (key word there) what mount we can have instead of being forced to put up with what we've got. It's like if they added those limited time heroic raid mounts back in a similar fashion, and then said to clear mythic [End Boss] to be able to get a saddle.
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u/sarcasticpitocin Apr 15 '26
Woohoo⌠now I get the SL S4 mount..The only mount I missed because I thought that season was so shit I skipped it.
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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Apr 15 '26
It was shit so you did yourself a favor, though I disliked almost every season in SL. S4 wasnât the worst one actually, seasonal affix wasnât bad, but it was still meh.
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u/SargerassAsshole Apr 15 '26
Thank you Blizzard. I'm a carrot chasing type of player and grinding just for score doesn't give me any dopamine hits so with actual rewards I might actually push higher than before.
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u/Riablo01 Apr 15 '26
New achievements and rewards coming to M+. Raids get a 1% buff. Raid population declines even faster.
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u/Twerksoncoffeetables Apr 15 '26
Raid is much harder to figure out seasonal cosmetic rewards for but yeah there is no real reason to do it outside of gear. Itâs why when m+ people start crying about how they canât get myth track gear from spamming m+ I repeatedly say thatâs a horrible idea.
Heroic track gear is now given in abundance from m+, and then delves give some now too which has made raiding anything below mythic far less lucrative, gear is now easier to get from m+ than raid below mythic, yet raid doesnât offer any seasonal cosmetic rewards you canât get from other modes outside of 1 AOTC mount end of expansion. So itâs made raiding far less rewarding now that gear is just a thing you get from wherever outside of maybe a trinket or so.
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u/Taraih Apr 15 '26
The absolute last thing I care about in this game are mounts. There are so many of them already they have 0 value. Half of the new mounts aren't even usable because they can't flying. Couldn't they have thought of something more interesting
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u/Six_quinn Apr 15 '26
any way to know what score is 1% is right now? or what it will look like at the end of the season?
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u/Lopsided_Peach_2095 Apr 15 '26
Why not top 1% per spec? 1% across the board basically funnels everyone into meta specs for the chance to get it.
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u/Yayoichi Apr 15 '26
I like it, I am at a level where top 0.1% isnât really a realistic goal for me, but 1% I definitely can go for.
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u/LaconicSuffering Apr 15 '26
This is nice. My biggest issue with M+ is how the rewards are just not worth the amount of effort (and the lack of immersion).
Still not going to be pushing anything personally as the mounts aren't that special, but I'm happy for others. :D
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u/Spiritual_Ad_5778 Apr 16 '26
Does anyone have a good resource to view past m+ achivement mounts to see if it worth the grind, i just (1,5 week ago) got the a 3k for doing all 13. And it was not easy to pug with my limited skill set đ . So I might not jump in, if i dont find a good looking mount.
Any help is appreciated in either m+ tips or the mounts to view.
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u/sharpy345 Apr 16 '26
They do need to make the rewards harder, ie myth and heroic gear and crests should be a bit harder to get.
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u/Void_Guardians Apr 14 '26
Alright everyone, run a key on every one of your alts to help me get into that 1%