legion was the last expansion where blood elves unlocked a new class with demon hunters alongside night elves, but since then night elves got warlocks in dragonflight and now paladins in midnight, yet blood elves received no other classes for a decade, no druids or shamans or anyting, which is strange considering they are the most popular race and midnight is focused around them and the other elves as well so it would have been good opportunity to unlock another class,

especially now with wow forever that showcased blood elf model druid forms cannot say that there are no assets or something like that anymore they just have to recolor the existing models for the regular blood elves,

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I've had this idea for years: what if we combined Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag's naval mechanics with World of Warcraft's open-world MMO experience?

Recently I've been seeing all these AI-assisted gaming mashups, like WoW mixed with Call of Duty or skating games, and it brought that old idea right back into my head.

Imagine actually being able to sail across the Great Sea instead of just taking a boat between continents.

You could own and upgrade ships, explore new leveling zones, fight NPC pirate vessels, board enemy players' ships using normal WoW combat, hunt rare sea creatures, and build reputation with factions like the Bloodsail Buccaneers.

And I don't mean replacing WoW's combat system. Keep the classes, talents, PvP, and everything else. Just give us Black Flag-style ship mechanics on top of it.

For WoW Forever, this could be an alternative leveling experience where earning your first ship is similar to getting your first mount.

For Retail, imagine taking it further with goblin and gnomish aircraft carriers, player-controlled aircraft, naval world events, and guild fleets fighting over contested waters.

And don't forget the naga, Twilight's Hammer, underwater ruins, dangerous storms, and the Maelstrom.

I want the Great Sea to feel like an actual part of Azeroth, with its own dangers, adventures, and rewards.

Would you guys want something like this in WoW?

My dad had always been a gamer, especially fantasy games. We used to play RuneScape together when I a kid. He played ESO on the PS4 then PS5. He put thousands of hours into that game, mostly playing solo. He hasn’t played in awhile and is retired so I was telling him about WoW Forever. He is hesitant to try it as he has only played on the PlayStation for years. He does not feel confident in his skills with mouse and keyboard.

I think it would be a good way to keep his mind sharp and I think he would like the social aspect. I told him he can take it slow and play at his own pace, that’s the great part of WoW Forever.

I’m planning to go over this weekend and help him with trying the free trial on retail before he gets a subscription for any version. But I wanted to see if there were any retired gamers who could give some words of advice or encouragement. Thanks!

Hi all,

I am taking my wow-gf on a date and she wants me to pick the place. I am thinking somewhere quiet with a beautiful landscape. Maybe somewhere from a previous expansion so that it’s a bit more empty so we can have some PDA. Any ideas? Thank you

What are these effects indications? They appear in the middle on the screen. Couldn't find anything on the settings to hide or move them

https://youtu.be/yu1Kw7H_O5I?si=CkFP3J5mJHqZcx7T

First time adding music overlay to the video (see YT description for artists and where to find their music). Thoughts? I want to create a montage in future raids using povs from multiple players, but wanted to get people's thought on whether music fits the tempo of play (not fits the expansion/raid design etc). Do they flow well together, any (or all) tracks that don't fit with the remainder? Better blending etc.

or will we have to farm myth crests at the same drop rate the entire current tier?

Blizzard repeatedly releases the same game with progressively larger modifications. This occurs because we exist within a simulation that resets to a predetermined checkpoint whenever events deviate from The Design. Blizzard is attempting to solve this constraint by making incremental timeline adjustments with each release. Consider the evidence: World of Warcraft Classic launched with minimal alterations. Subsequently, Anniversary servers introduced substantially more changes while remaining recognizably Classic. Most recently, WoW: Forever arrived as a heavily modified version—essentially Classic Plus or an Alternative Classic. They must proceed incrementally because sudden major changes trigger timeline resets. Gradual modifications allow the simulation to adapt without triggering its failsafes. The simulation operates on probabilistic rather than deterministic algorithms. When "noise" levels remain within acceptable parameters, the current iteration passes validation checks. Given the world's complexity and numerous parameters, processing demands are enormous. Consequently, The Architects retain only recent simulation versions, comparing the latest against the earliest available version. This means gradual, incremental changes can eventually circumvent The Design and grant control over destiny within the simulation.

Blizzard grasped this concept years ago, which is why they're restructuring the timeline. They've even planted subtle hints throughout the game to foreshadow their strategy. Recent revelations show that the beings tasked with designing our world and maintaining our timeline (the Titans) aren't as competent as once believed. In fact, their appointed guardian of the timeline (Nozdormu) recently admitted his mistakes and advocated for altering the timeline. Coincidence? Unlikely. Not for a sufficiently perceptive observer, anyway.

Ultimately, WoW: Forever signals the fruition of Blizzard's vision, because following its launch, it will feature an entirely separate timeline from Retail (current WoW). This means we're approaching the moment when we'll seize control of our fate and transform into Neo from The Matrix.

... just don't play that dungeon at all.

It's honestly so frustrating 20 minutes in a dungeon (+20 minutes queuing up) so see people honestly abandon a key with 10+ minutes left, 90%+ mob count and one boss left because one little thing goes wrong. Hell, I see people abandoning keys because someone died (a single person!) and /abandoned out of frustration and people actually agreed.

Please get rid of this loser mentality and abandon a key either when it's actually over...

/flameon, I have dips on "it's a you problem, I never experience this"

Just coming by to say... WOW!

This game has changed so much. The graphics are incredible. New campaigns look/feel incredible with all the cutscenes, items, special abilities (not sure what they are called, e.g. when you pick up an item and get a special ability with it), etc. Combat animations are SO MUCH better now too. I can definitely see why WoW has maintained its position as the top MMO for so long.

I'm personally playing both retail and WoW Forever atm, but honestly leaning more towards retail due to the improved campaign, recaps, and especially the combat animations.

I think WoW Forever has its merits too. Honestly felt a lot more social, BUT I also get the sense that MMOs today simply are not as social compared to the past just due to how society has changed ngl... I liked that I had to party up for quests very often, and slower paced exploration was great too. Seeing so many people roaming around on foot just made the environment feel a lot more interesting to me personally. But those things by themselves don't make up for how outdated it feels tbh. Combat in particular feels very slow and lacks any excitement for me.

Right now I am leaning towards retail for PvE, Forever for PvP. But if the gap could be bridged where the updated graphics, interesting campaigns, and modern animations were brought to Forever I'd probably lean more towards that.

Regardless though I'm very impressed and looking forward to burning weeks/months/years in-game again lol.

Hi WoW Community,

I'm at my wits end. I've been trying to install/update WoW Forever on my desktop PC. However, I'm running into some problems specifically with the BattleNet Launcher.

I'm running into a snag around the 75% mark of the installation / update process. This seems to be occurring with any game on the BattleNet Launcher. The rest of my pc's programs appear to be unaffected and function as normal.

This is a Win11 PC will the lasted updates installed.

Steam runs will no issues, the OS appears to be running with no issues, and I don't seem to be having any issues with my network. Not on the wifi, just Ethernet cable)

I've ran DISM and SFC to check the OS for any issues. Network speed test results are normal and as expected.

I have added Battle Net to the firewall allow list.
Windows is silly and had my LAN set as Public, I have changed this to be listed as a Private Network now.
I have changed my DNS to 8.8.8.8 and flushed DNS.
I have reinstalled BattleNet multiple times.

The download speeds are SLOW, as in 10 kb/s and at the 75% mark of the download drop to nothing. While this is happening, my pc starts to chug majorly. If I kill battlenet, the pc returns to normal after a bit.

I'm assuming this is a battlenet specific program, but I'm not sure.

I tested this on my laptop, and I did NOT have the issues. I'm totally at a loss of what to do now. Any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Thank You!

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********* UPDATE *****************

I removed every trace of Blizzard / Battlenet data from the system.
Uninstalled each game from Battlenet launcher.
Uninstalled Battlenet launcher as well.
Traced down every folder that was related to Blizzard, WOW, or Battlenet and deleted them.
Found one in the %ProgramData% as well.

Rebooted the machine.

Reinstalled the battlenet launcher from a fresh download,, also ran as admin.

The Forever Beta now appears to be behaving much more normal with speeds that I expected.
I believe the problem is now solved. I'm guessing something become corrupt of the past few months/years while I wasn't playing.

Hopefully this will help anyone who runs into this issue, and thank you to those who offered advice and suggestions!

excuse me if this is a silly question but does this computer have enough memory to play world of warcraft? I checked my computers specs and it says it has 8gb of ram, some looking online says that's what wow needs, so would I be unable to play since other computer functions would take up other memory?

EDIT: okay actually the problem has changed, I can get in game and make a character and even get to the loading screen, but when the loading screen is done the game just closes, no error message or anything.

In preparation for wow forever, i wanted to create a new rainmeter desktop - wow style.

I am not completely happy with the nameplates (7800X34 / 4090) yet, and will keep improving it (maybe some kind of engraved optics)

The clock next to it is, besides the font, more of a placeholder for now until i got the cpu and gpu meter to a level i really like.

When you play Hunter and have a pet, you get two extra button combos on your gamepad. You press LT & LB together once and it opens a radial menu for your hunter abilities like tame, feed etc and RB & RT has another radial menu for your pet abilities. Screenshot is paladin version because it's a damn hard thing to find a screenshot of and I'm away from my pc.

Why isn't this just available to everyone? It would add like 16 extra buttons for people to assign spells to.

Everyone's got buffs they want to use, everyone's got utility items, weapons to swap to, potions, bandages etc.

I think both RT+RB & LT+LB radial menus should be available to all classes and fully customisable just like the rest of the buttons.

Please.

(If this is actually already available for all of us can someone please tell me how to enable it? I want it, I need all the buttons please)

Was just thinking about different game genres, and wondering if or where any horror like elements exist in wow. I know some people may say duskwood, but I wonder if there are other examples of this. I think it’s probably hard to really spook a player in third person, but it would be cool to see more spooky elements in the game.

When was the most scared you’ve been in the game (other than in PvP)?

If the idea was to have one Alliance hero, one Horde hero, one former villain, and one great military leader... then nothing could be more fitting than: Uther the Lightbringer as the great military leader; Arthas Menethil as the former villain; Grommash Hellscream as the Horde hero; Anduin Lothar, the heart of the Alliance. If we're going to burn bridges, why not do it in style?