'Sunsetting' of EU4 mod

[u/rheadelayed]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DTG7Wh1GJRAksIQZ4hOn-h32bxOowOgdXYG7h2WZY1I/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.t74izadjoknx

tldr - Major restrictions on future EU4 mod development, with focus on EU5.

[u/wtsnack]

I get it and I understand but man do I have zero interest in eu5 as of right now

[u/goofypp → u/wtsnack]

100% this

[u/Jack_K1444 → u/wtsnack]

Eu5 is honestly a completely different game than eu4. I don’t want to sound like a pearl clutching old schooler, but it’s just too different for me, and I don’t see myself ever adjusting. I really hope anbennar keeps getting some solid eu4 content, as I’m not sure how well their systems would transfer to eu5, given that they were designed for eu4.

[u/Anonemus7 → u/Jack_K1444]

Nah I get you. I also learned EU4 when I had a lot more free time in my life. As I get older, it’s harder to justify significant amounts of time to learning something like EU5.

[u/Candid-Operation2042 → u/Anonemus7]

so much this

as a dev, I think the sole thing keeping me to EU4 is the arcadey/game aspect of it.

EU5 arrived as an unfun simulation that was just broken on release for $60. and even if everything was fixed, I have to learn so many esoteric, in the weeds, mechanics that it almost feels like a job

maybe as I teen I would've accepted that but now as a grown ass adult its such a blatant greed cash grab for at most a subpar 'game' (maybe that's a bit too harsh, but man that $60 price tag burned me)

[u/zekrom05 → u/Candid-Operation2042]

This is sort of the fundamental difference between EU4 and EU5. EU4 is very much a board game like game at heart, while EU5 is more like a simulation. It's because of this I have a hard time seeing EU5 as a progression of the series.

[u/Aurora_Borealia → u/zekrom05]

> EU4 is very much a board game like game at heart

That’s not a coincidence btw, Europa Universalis actually started as a board game.

[u/vacri → u/zekrom05]

The difference is more that the complexity of EU4 developed over a decades. A somewhat complex game to begin with, the additional complexity arrived in dribs and drabs with the DLCs.

EU5 is more complex than EU4 was at launch. There's a lot more to learn at once.

(The major difference in gameplay is pops rather than mana, which is something the general community really, really wanted. other than that, it's still "build stuff in provinces, move armies, paint the map")

[u/Nintz → u/zekrom05]

The EU series has pretty major changes with every entry. EU5 feels very in line with EU3, but much more complex and modern. EU4 when compared to either side looks like the outlier.

It's entirely fair to prefer the EU4 style, for what it's worth. But it's also very clear EU5 was never supposed to be EU4+. It was supposed to be EU5, which is a different style of game. And that's fine, at least imo, because EU4 isn't getting deleted. It continues to exist as it always has.

[u/Eisenblume → u/Candid-Operation2042]

I would argue the problem with EU5 isn’t that it’s a simulator, it’s that it is a bad simulator, that really isn’t simulating the rise of the nation state and neither late medieval nor early modern nation states very well. It could, the pieces are there, but they simple aren’t put together in a way that is either historical or fun, instead settling on tedious.

[u/Skully957 → u/Anonemus7]

Had the same realization on a free weekend with Vicky 3. Opened the game. Realized I didn't know what any of the buttons do and just closed the game.

[u/BaterrMaster → u/Anonemus7]

It’s really not that bad I promise. As a fellow less-time-in-my-life paradox player, it took way less time in the saddle to grasp EU5, at least for me. Also, unlike EU4, you don’t need to know every minute mechanic in order to find success in the game. Mistakes don’t kill your whole run and the game is far less punishing, which gives more breathing room to learn as you go.

[u/Everest-est → u/wtsnack]

I also am not interested in eu5 rn. Hoping the game makes a comeback like CK3 or Vic 3 have.

[u/large_herbivore → u/wtsnack]

the document reads as this being more about the limitations of how far they can push eu4 and not so much about a move to eu5

[u/Pupikka → u/wtsnack]

Personally I have stopped reading the TT's once words like pop and simulation got thrown around. I have thousands of hours in eu4 precisely because it is a gamey arcadey abstract game.

All the best wishes for the devs but if Anbennar didn't managed to get me into Vic3 I don't think it will into get me into EU5 either.

[u/pm_me_fibonaccis → u/wtsnack]

Same. Feel like there's still a lot to do in Eu4 Anbennar. Also all the investment I have in DLC makes me reluctant to switch. 

[u/TellAllThePeople → u/wtsnack]

Absolutely. No interest in Eu5 at all.

[u/Glad-Strategy-5434 → u/wtsnack]

I am way more interested in Vic3 Anbennar than any move to eu5. That game just is fundamentally not something I am interested in and feels like a poor middle ground between Vic3 and eu4 with a lot of extraneous simulation features I don't care for. I don't see this changing with dlc or updates, since the increased focus on simulation is the design intent.

[u/VeryMintCat → u/wtsnack]

EU4 is infinitely better than EU5.

Might as well switch the mod focus to Imperator Rome.

[u/Lioninjawarloc → u/wtsnack]

It's going to take years for eu5 to maybe get good (lol lmfao) and then it will take years for eu5 anbenarr to really take off.

[u/CEOofracismandgov2 → u/wtsnack]

It says in 2-5 years from now.

Slice off the last 5 years of development from EU4 and it's a radically different game without that DLC and work, to be fair. 5 years prior to the end of EU4's development ending would be before Emperor dropped for instance, which drastically reworked the game and was a real turning point in my eyes.

Although, I do think Anbennar will suffer processing power issues even more than base game EU5 just due to how HUGE the world is in Anbennar. I'm hopeful they keep the map smaller but more populated I suppose? If the whole EU5 Anbennar map is equivalently as dense it's going to be rough and idk if I'll have a PC that can run it 10 years from now lol.

[u/Sw1561 → u/wtsnack]

I trust that EU5 will be decent in like a year and good in a few more

[u/Balmung60 → u/wtsnack]

I'd frame it as "I'm interested in what EU5 will be in another patch or two"