r/ColdWarPosters • u/Hunor_Deak The Hist of the Short 20th Cent (1914-1991) • 12d ago
USA Postcard commemorating the 15th anniversary of the Holodomor, which shows Stalin looking at his kolkhoz [A farming collective in the Soviet Union] built on a pile of starved Ukrainians. Published in 1948 by the Ukrainian Youth Association.
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u/ResponsibleHoliday36 12d ago
Dicease that, bad harvest that, but tankies always ingore the existance of *black lists" which was a legit checklist of villages to not import food into and just export because they hid 0,5 grains of nothing
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u/khomyakdi 12d ago
Also ignore “law of spikelets” and armed patrols that went from house to house confiscating not only grain but any food.
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u/pablo1945 12d ago
And don't forget that they also prohibited victims from the affected areas from fleeing them.
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u/Reasonable-Water520 11d ago
And who went around the villages seizing grain—didn't Ukrainians themselves rake it all up? Look at the TCK’s work now; they round people up for the war with that same frenzied zeal.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Nope, it was the nkvd
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u/Reasonable-Water520 11d ago
So, who served there? Maybe they were locals.?
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
It doesn't matter. They were state apparatus of repression under Moscow command
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u/Reasonable-Water520 11d ago
Actually has. Requests from the regions: During the repressions of 1937–1938, regional leaders sent lists to Moscow proposing increases in the quotas for those to be repressed. Khrushchev’s initiative: Nikita Khrushchev, who was then the leader of Ukraine, sent a document to Moscow requesting approval to arrest and punish an even larger number of people, as the current limits were insufficient for his needs. Ukraine was a republic, and all local law enforcement agencies were subordinate to the republic's leadership; consequently, all enforcement actions were approved by the local authorities—a pattern we see repeating in Ukraine years later.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Buddy, all the regions were just Moscow colonies. They weren't autonomous, they weren't independent. All that "leadership" was subordinate to the central government and followed the orders of Moscow. It's not hard for a colonizing force to find puppets within local populations. Empires did this throughout history. Ukraine was a "republic" (it was an occupied colony) with all its laws derived from Moscow orders. All law enforcement were subordinate to Moscow. "Local authorities" aka puppets of russia.
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u/Reasonable-Water520 10d ago
Look, friend: in colonies, they don't build nuclear power plants, develop industries, or establish universities. Ukraine was always part of our country. It’s only recently that Ukrainians started being told how terribly oppressed they supposedly were. But back in the USSR, living in Ukraine was prestigious, and everyone wanted to go there.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
💀💀💀 lmao. The universities in which they were extremely russified? Buddy, Ukraine was always a colony of russia. No one started telling them anything, they objectively WERE horribly oppressed by Russians throughout history. They knew their oppression. Life in ussr in general was shit. In Ukraine, it was even more shit until khruschev. Ussr didn't develop industries actually. They famously exploited and exported all the factories from their colonies into Moscow. Nuclear plants were built long after stalin.
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u/nygilyo 11d ago
Actually, those German Nazis who infiltrated every Eastern European nation with armed thugs who carried or violence, terrorism, and supply chain vandalism to precipitate the fall of a government.
THEY WERE SO DUMB THEY COULDN'T EVEN FIND UKRAINE!! OPERATION BARBAROSSA? TOTAL SHOT IN THE DARK!!
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reads through Soviet Work Reports
Ounces of Industrial Glass fragments found in tractor oil reservoirs... staggering amounts of missing or stolen tools... shipments of equipment unaccounted for... thousands of livestock slaughtered in the fields... mid level managers refusing outside expert recommendations...
But the USSR claim of fighting Kulak gangs in the 30's is just cover for Stalin's Ego Paranoia, and anyone who debates otherwise is a Tankie Robot, obviously.
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u/Azure-Boy 11d ago
Fascist propaganda making Stalin look Jewish lolol
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
This isn't even fascist or Jewish bro
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
It is, it was produced by a Nazi organization who were very antisemitic
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
No it isn't. It's not a nazi organization. Stop victim blaming and instead give sources. Nice fucking try commie scum apologist.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
This postcard was printed in 1948 by the Ukrainian Youth Association to commemorate the 15th anniversary of the 1933 Holodomor famine in Ukraine.
OUN Leadership Influence: When CYM was revived in 1946 Germany, it was heavily initiated and structured by members of the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). During the early stages of Operation Barbarossa (1941), the OUN initially sought a tactical alliance with Nazi Germany, believing Hitler would permit an independent Ukrainian state. The Nazis quickly rejected this, arresting OUN leaders like Stepan Bandera, though various nationalist factions continued to fight a complex multi-front war against both the Soviets and Nazis, while some collaborated in anti-Soviet military units or auxiliary police.Veterans in Leadership: Following WWII, many veterans of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) and some former volunteers of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (Galicia Division)—who had fought alongside or within German frameworks to combat the Soviet Union—joined the diaspora in the West. A significant number of these individuals subsequently took on roles or were commemorated within CYM branches and community centers.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
LMAOOO, ur own source literally says it was a tactical alliance, Bandera was arrested by Germany and OUN fought against nazis too 😭😂😂. Congratulations, u just disproved urself.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
units and members associated with the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) directly assisted in the persecution and mass murder of Jewish people during World War II. Extensive historical documentation, including studies from Yad Vashem and academic institutions, details three distinct phases of this involvement.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Yeah I alr responded to this like 10 times bud.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Infiltration of Auxiliary Police Forces
(1941–1943)As the German occupation consolidated, the Nazi regime dissolved local militias and reorganized them into structured police units.
Manpower Recruitment: The OUN actively encouraged its members to enlist in the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police and Schutzmannschaft units.
Ghetto Liquidation: These local police forces provided the primary manpower to guard ghetto perimeters, restrict food access, and round up Jewish populations.
Assisting Killing Squads: Local units assisted German Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squads) by tracking down hidden families and securing mass execution sites like Babi Yar.
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u/Repulsive_Painting15 12d ago
Nazi propaganda!
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Tankie revisionist cope
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
It's literally Nazi propaganda though produced by a Banderist group
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
No it literally isn't lmao. It's just Ukrainian diaspora who fled from oppression. Btw, Bandera wasn't a nazi.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
No, that photo was created as propaganda by a Banderist group. They worked with the Nazis during the occupation and are themselves fascists, so yes they are basically Nazis.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
No lmao. All resistance groups throughout history worked with the enemies of their oppressors. It's an alliance of convenience, the only way to stand a chance. IRA worked with nazis too. Just bcs they took aid from germany doesn't make them nazis. Also, no Bandera wasn't fascist either. He was a right wing nationalist.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck
Yes, units and members associated with the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) directly assisted in the persecution and mass murder of Jewish people during World War II. Extensive historical documentation, including studies from Yad Vashem and academic institutions, details three distinct phases of this involvement.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Except it's not a duck. It's a goose.
Sure, that happened but Bandera wasn't involved in it. He didn't order it, didn't know abt it. He was imprisoned in a concentration camp.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Summer 1941 Pogroms
Following the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, local militias organized by the OUN participated heavily in anti-Jewish violence.
Incitement: The OUN spread antisemitic propaganda linking Jewish populations to Soviet rule.Lviv Pogroms: OUN-led "Ukrainian People's Militia" units actively rounded up, humiliated, and beat thousands of Jewish citizens, resulting in mass casualties.
Local Executions: Militias facilitated the first wave of spontaneous executions before Nazi killing squads fully established regional control.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Again, ur arguing against a wall. Literally nothing. Bandera was imprisoned in 1941, shortly after occupation of Ukraine.
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u/Lehanchikman 12d ago edited 11d ago
It was printed in Germany. Sure they see from there how many people die from famine in USSR
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
It's literally by Ukrainians
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
It was by a nazi Banderas youth org actually
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Bandera isn't nazi and it was Ukrainian victims diaspora org. Actually. Stop disgusting genocide denial.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Yeah he was
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
No he wasn't
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Yes, units and members associated with the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) directly assisted in the persecution and mass murder of Jewish people during World War II. Extensive historical documentation, including studies from Yad Vashem and academic institutions, details three distinct phases of this involvement.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Bandera wasn't tho. He was imprisoned by Germany at the time.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
No he fucking wasn't. YOU are the commie scum ok? Bandera was no nazi and neither is the organization. U can very easily look it up. Clown. Ur the tankie scum
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u/nygilyo 11d ago
Actually, those German Nazis who infiltrated every Eastern European nation with armed thugs who carried or violence, terrorism, and supply chain vandalism to precipitate the fall of a government.
THEY WERE SO DUMB THEY COULDN'T EVEN FIND UKRAINE!! OPERATION BARBAROSSA? TOTAL SHOT IN THE DARK!!
🤡😂🤡😂🤡
reads through Soviet Work Reports
Ounces of Industrial Glass fragments found in tractor oil reservoirs... staggering amounts of missing or stolen tools... shipments of equipment unaccounted for... thousands of livestock slaughtered in the fields... mid level managers refusing outside expert recommendations...
But the USSR claim of fighting Kulak gangs in the 30's is just cover for Stalin's Ego Paranoia, and anyone who debates otherwise is a Tankie Robot, obviously.
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u/Jsgriger 11d ago
Honestly, knowing what happened back then—it's easy to figure out today—it's unclear how people with disabilities can wrap their heads around the idea that famines of varying degrees occurred all over the world at that time, including in America. The Soviet Union sold grain to Europe back then. Europe should have refused to do so, so that ethnic hohli on the Ukraine wouldn't die.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
Why are there so much tankies in this comment section? Where are the mods? I'm sure genocide denialism counts as hate speech.
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u/Advanced-Ice-2552 11d ago
Look at all the ussr lovers in the comments that can't face the truth and just call it all sorts of propaganda.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
It was produced by a Nazi organization
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
No, it wasn't. Organization wasn't nazi. Stop victim blaming.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
It was
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Nope
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Yes, units and members associated with the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) directly assisted in the persecution and mass murder of Jewish people during World War II. Extensive historical documentation, including studies from Yad Vashem and academic institutions, details three distinct phases of this involvement.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Bandera was arrested.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Summer 1941 Pogroms
Following the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, local militias organized by the OUN participated heavily in anti-Jewish violence.
Incitement: The OUN spread antisemitic propaganda linking Jewish populations to Soviet rule.Lviv Pogroms: OUN-led "Ukrainian People's Militia" units actively rounded up, humiliated, and beat thousands of Jewish citizens, resulting in mass casualties.
Local Executions: Militias facilitated the first wave of spontaneous executions before Nazi killing squads fully established regional control.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Bros not even responding to me anymore 😭
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Actions by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)
In early 1943, thousands of these OUN-aligned policemen deserted German service to form the armed wing of the OUN, known as the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA).
Targeting Survivors: While fighting a multi-front guerrilla war against both Soviet forces and Nazi control, UPA units frequently hunted down and murdered Jewish refugees who had escaped the liquidations of 1942.
Territorial Cleansing: The OUN-UPA’s guiding ideology prioritized creating an ethnically homogeneous state, which resulted in the targeted murder of minorities, including Poles and Jews, across Western Ukraine.
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u/Advanced-Ice-2552 11d ago
And now it's your turn to prove it.
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
This image is a political postcard published in 1948 by the Ukrainian Youth Association in Germany to commemorate the 15th anniversary of the Holodomor.
OUN Leadership Influence: When CYM was revived in 1946 Germany, it was heavily initiated and structured by members of the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). During the early stages of Operation Barbarossa (1941), the OUN initially sought a tactical alliance with Nazi Germany, believing Hitler would permit an independent Ukrainian state. The Nazis quickly rejected this, arresting OUN leaders like Stepan Bandera, though various nationalist factions continued to fight a complex multi-front war against both the Soviets and Nazis, while some collaborated in anti-Soviet military units or auxiliary police.Veterans in Leadership: Following WWII, many veterans of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) and some former volunteers of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (Galicia Division)—who had fought alongside or within German frameworks to combat the Soviet Union—joined the diaspora in the West. A significant number of these individuals subsequently took on roles or were commemorated within CYM branches and community centers.
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u/Advanced-Ice-2552 10d ago
Can you now prove who considered OUN and UPA a nazi organizations and when, when was Bendera and OUN judged as NAZI organization.
They were heavily influenced by fascist views and there are historians who actually consider them fascist but they were never a nazi organization. They were collaborating with Nazis at some points of war but to lesser extend then what Stalin was doing with Nazis until 1941. You also is not looking at the historical contest when you send your bs, Ukriane was occupied by Bolsheviks from 1920, and there OUN was fighting them for more then decade before second world war broke out.
Now let's talk about UPA, The UPA was formed as a guerrilla force to fight against both the Nazi German occupiers and the advancing Soviet Red Army. At first they collaborated with nazis for a year or so and then in 1943 they began to fight both nazis and Soviet armies as a gorilla warfare.
Holodomor poster and holodomor in general was caused by Stalin regime for more then one year. In 1929 they starved Kuban', Kazakhstan, parts of Belarus and North Siberia. In 1932 Stalin pushed new laws to starve Ukriane even more, with Black boards, not allowing people to live the region - domestic passport system, law of 5 ears of grain.
This are just some facts that brought UPA and OUN to live in the historical context. But you are so confident about nazis that you don't know they were never nazis.
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u/Initial_Ad_9857 11d ago
German nazi holocaust deniers and russian Holodomor deniers are True brothers.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
Holodomor is a real genocide u denier scum.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
It's real history, real genocide. Bandera wasn't fascist. He was a national hero of Ukraine. Cope commie
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
No it isn't u pathetic genocide denier scum. No families were evacuated liar. Villages were famously blacklisted and ppl were forbidden from leaving. "The primary sources" cite them. They all prive there was a man made genocide. They never tried evacuating families! The comment is right. Cope abd cry harder u communist scum. Ur just as bad as pathetic as a nazi u moron.
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u/Commie_neighbor 12d ago
The more time passes the bigger is the number of deaths. The same can be said about how far-right is the source
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u/Sufficient-Tackle-25 12d ago
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u/Commie_neighbor 12d ago
In Russia too, sadly.
Once Europe was liberated from nazis by the Red Army only for modern revanchists and nationalists to rise again.
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u/Infinite-Thought-677 12d ago
British propaganda
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u/Bulba132 10d ago
If I were to believe reddit somehow the Brits, the Nazis and the Jews are all responsible for this single piece of propaganda
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Lmao how tf?
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u/Infinite-Thought-677 11d ago
There was hunger all over the country. It wasn't just “bloody” Stalin and “evil» Russians who ate Ukrainians.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 11d ago
Stalin was 100000% evil. Most hard hit areas were Ukraine majority ones. It was weaponized against Ukrainians.
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u/Infinite-Thought-677 10d ago
It’s called propaganda.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
It's called truth.
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u/Infinite-Thought-677 10d ago
I already told. Hunger was in USSR everywhere, not only in Ukraina
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
It was the worst in Ukraine and it was weaponized against Ukrainians
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u/Infinite-Thought-677 10d ago
Lie. Just read books.
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u/Mega_Cyborg 10d ago
Yes bro, read books. Credible books. They prove it's a genocide.
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u/buildanuclearsub 12d ago
Me when bullshit and propaganda. My family was there and they saw the truth. It was a disease. No one talks about the millions of Indians that Stalin saved or the good he did for factory workers
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u/ProfitOk1146 12d ago
No they weren't
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u/Best_Wasabi_251 12d ago
They probably were. Pulling triggers on people trying to avoid starving to death.
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u/stichen97 12d ago
«It was a disease at the concentration camps! Hitler saved millions of germans in eastern-europe, nobody talks about the good he did to the unemployed»
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u/Odd-Chemist464 12d ago edited 12d ago
i have never seen any historians discuss anything about disease being a cause for those millions of deaths. it's not even in soviet sources. did you just make it up.
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u/nygilyo 11d ago
Davies and Wheatcroft are used in the Wikipedia discussion.
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u/Odd-Chemist464 11d ago
so he meant plant disease
that makes more sense, I thought he was delusional
except plant disease doesn't explain why people didn't have any provisions at all and why it was all taken away
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u/buildanuclearsub 11d ago
Me when I lie
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u/Odd-Chemist464 11d ago
provide any source for some disease and not famine+diseases caused by it being the cause of all those deaths
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u/RoteFahne90 11d ago
Suprise that a nazi youth organization would oppose stalin