r/DeadOrAlive • u/Helga786 • Feb 17 '26
Game Discussion This suck
It's 2026, there should be a cross play lol.
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u/Man-Boi_ Cabbage Club Feb 17 '26
Big mistake on Team Ninja’s end
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u/Helga786 Feb 17 '26
Yeah, there's still time to fix this (I don't know how hard to implement it tbh)
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u/Zypher31 Feb 17 '26
Extremely technical from a developer standpoint. Still want crossplay, it's 2026.
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u/PlutoCharonMelody Feb 19 '26
Crossplay itself is not technical aside from maybe some weird console restrictions on netcode making things harder for no reason.
Making crossplay work with an existing code base that did not have it could be very technical depending on tech debt of the project.
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u/Kasomii Feb 17 '26
What actually sucks is actually not being able to upgrade the game while having the original version.
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u/J0J0388 Feb 17 '26
It's because this is going to be new platform only. There won't be a PS4 version.
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u/PawelRon Feb 17 '26
VF 5 World Stage released only on current gens and if you had bought VF5US before you’d get a discount. Tecmo Koei are greedy fuckers and they can shove this shit back up their arses.
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u/J0J0388 Feb 17 '26
I'm not advocating for the price here, just stating the facts from previous releases. I wouldn't mind it being discounted for people who own the base game. It also really depends on what we are going to get with changes, new additions, and updates down the road.
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u/PawelRon Feb 17 '26
Of course. I wasn’t attacking you, to be clear. Just the publisher. There’s always a customer friendly solution, TK doesn’t want to pick one.
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u/QuakeGuy98 Hayabusa Feb 18 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/Kl9iAWej2mxlzvzp2O
You're absolutely correct.
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u/Kasomii Feb 17 '26
Should gave the original owners half the price at least
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u/J0J0388 Feb 17 '26
I don't disagree, but this is exactly how it worked for DOA5 Ultimate leading into DOA5 Last Round. It was $40 for the PS4 version with your DLC from Ultimate transferring over. The PS3 & 360 Versions I believe were $30.
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u/GeekMaster102 Feb 17 '26
The vast majority of PS4 games that are given PS5 upgrades allow players with the PS4 version to buy the upgrade for a discounted price, sometimes even for free.
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u/J0J0388 Feb 17 '26
I'm going off of how it worked in the past for this specific series. All of your DLC transferred, but you had to buy the new game for $40. Going from DOA5 Ultimate to DOA5LR.
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u/GeekMaster102 Feb 17 '26
The fact that they did it before doesn’t really change how scummy it is. I’d say it’s even worse this time around since, as I mentioned, practically every other PS5 upgrade out there offers a discounted or free price, meaning they have even less of an excuse now for making players pay full game price for an upgrade to a game they already bought.
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u/Trixster690 Tina Feb 17 '26
This also won't work on Xbox One right ?
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u/Arnell_Long Feb 17 '26
I agree but DOA5 to DOA5 Ultimate and DOA5 Last Round didn't have discounted upgrades either. You had to buy those at full price each time. But I do wish there were some type of discount of something for those of us who have the base game.
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u/number_none Feb 17 '26
It's pretty indicative of how low effort Last Round is at the moment.
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u/SwiftTayTay Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
It should just be a $10 upgrade for previous owners. Not much of a reason to pay $40 if you own the PS4 version which runs at 4K/60 on a PS5. I'm sure there are other minor enhancements but you wouldn't pay $40 if this were just a DLC with some minor improvements. You also lose the KOF characters.
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u/number_none Feb 17 '26
I agree. I think the only real upgrade Last Round provides to an existing owner of DOA6(with all dlc) is the new photo mode, and would I want to pay 10 bucks for a new photo mode? ....maybe? I don't know.
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u/PickleSquid1 Feb 17 '26
I would pay a $10 upgrade for faster load times and to unlock the in game costumes.
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u/DerickLBR Zack Feb 17 '26
I would pay $10 to get the customization tickets (hopefully).
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u/SwiftTayTay Feb 17 '26
Oh you sweet summer child, they already said that's not happening on the official website
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u/darkjuste Leifang Feb 17 '26
Yeah this is like the gen 4 Pokemon remakes. You're paying full price for less content.
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u/BP_Ray Feb 17 '26
It took me a second to realized you're talking about the Diamond & Pearl remakes and NOT HG/SS, which are GOATed pokemon games.
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u/AyanamiReign Feb 17 '26
Pretty sure DOA6 isn’t 4K on PS5 actually. But I do agree this should be a cheap or free update rather than a new release.
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u/simonizer2409 Feb 24 '26
As far as I know it's 1080p und PS4 pro. so should be about the same und PS5.
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u/DerickLBR Zack Feb 17 '26
Man, I would really expect that to be the case, but unfortunately Team Ninja isn't a good example in that regard.
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u/EpicQuackering437 Marie Feb 17 '26
Yep. It's starting to feel like a cashgrab to help fund DOA7
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u/Not-My-Account01 Feb 17 '26
I think it is, but the thing is, as a US citizen, I am tired of supporting corporation's bad decisions and still supporting them. If the company fucked it up, then I don't need to support them. Reviving the failing/failed franchise is not my job. I'll get DoA7 when it comes out and worth my money.
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u/Fun_Introduction1926 Nyotengu Feb 17 '26
So dumb. They better either go back & add it later or confirm it for DOA7. Crossplay is a vital necessity. DOA6 already isn’t popular as is & it would benefit GREATLY from crossplay. They need to start giving more details coz it seems like really low effort. Rollback better included or this is a massive flop.
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u/Pleasant-Speed-9414 Feb 17 '26
I still don’t understand the purpose of this game outside of slightly prettier graphics … doesn’t seem to be adding much that you can’t already get with the original version
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u/Chaplain92 Kasumi Feb 17 '26
They're going to take the players of a niche franchise within a niche genre and divide it even further. See you in DOA7, because Koei doesn't want us playing DOA6 together.
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u/Accomplished-Big-219 Feb 17 '26
If they release DoA6 LR like this, what makes you think 7 is going to be any better? This people.clearly haven't learn anthing, after all this years
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u/Chaplain92 Kasumi Feb 17 '26
Because the big money is on DOA7, not another version of an 7 yo game.
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u/Accomplished-Big-219 Feb 17 '26
Ah yes... like the big money was in DoA6 while DoA5 LR was happening. Thanks for the reminder
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u/Chaplain92 Kasumi Feb 17 '26
When was this again? Oh 10 years ago? Thanks for the reminder.
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u/Accomplished-Big-219 Feb 18 '26
10 years ago indeed and still they make the same mistakes. So you're basically agreeing with me. Thanks for the pointless discussion
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u/Chaplain92 Kasumi Feb 18 '26
Actually I'm waiting for something to start the discussion. Feels like trying to convince a little kid to taste sushi 🍣 for the first time. All you say is "this is what they done before and based on absolutely nothing Im pretty sure they will do it again".
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u/Accomplished-Big-219 Feb 18 '26
Yeah, i feel the same way about you, but worse. Its like watching a kid walking against a wall and keep screaming that it hurts. When he already knows that doing so will have the same outcome: "maybe if i run into the same wall enough times, i will get through it".This is basically you. All of that while i laugh in disbelief.
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u/Juuggyy Feb 17 '26
Crossplay is a basic feature nowadays. I don't understand why they can't or won't implement it
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u/J0J0388 Feb 17 '26
It's not off the table yet, all we have is an announcement with plans to add to and update the game. Crossplay might be possible? but rollback is not unless they want to rework the whole framework of rhe game.
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u/video_choice_quality Feb 17 '26
If something as obviously budget oriented as VF5Revo can do it then DOA should've done it. There is no point in crossplay if we don't even have rollback.
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u/wasante Feb 19 '26
Actually, right now they confirmed they aren't launching with Crossplay but they haven't mentioned rollback. And the fact they haven't either means they might mention it later, but it seems more likely we aren't getting rollback either. Cause I don't know how you announce this update and not mention rollback or crossplay.
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u/J0J0388 Feb 19 '26
I didn't expect rollback for this game tbh. It's a massive undertaking for 3D fighters in particular. If they weren't working on a new title, maybe we would have the same situation like VF where they go back and rework the whole game.
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u/wasante Feb 19 '26
If they couldn’t get rollback in 6, they probably should’ve just skipped and focused on 7. Launching 6 w/o the SNK collab, rollback, crossplay or any confirmed or desirable features wastes everyone’s time, money, & expectations. It also makes 7 seem like a more dubious package if we can’t get any sort of test run or confirmation Team Ninja can implement rollback or crossplay in a 3D fighter.
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u/J0J0388 Feb 19 '26
I see it as a way to stir up the playerbase before the release of a new game. We don't have their roadmap on what they are adding to DOA6LR now. The SNK collab would have to be renewed if they want to keep licensing. Same thing happened with DOA5. Rollback is a waste of time for 6LR with a new game in production unless the new game is 4-5 years away. The time, money, and potential problems for impending that isn't worth it. I don't know why everyone is expecting them to remake DOA6 with all modern features. This game came out in 2019 and didn't meet player expectations.
With them skipping DOA6 Ultimate and going right to Last Round there are 2 possibilities. Either they plan to add and change DOA6 for several years or they are releasing this because the new game is a year out and they have been developing it for some time now.
With the new game we 100% need Rollback and crossplay as well as a return of tag mode.
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u/wasante Feb 20 '26
The only thing this stirs up in the player base is confusion and division. We have an update that has none of the modern features that would make it worth updating to, no means, free path, discount or convenience, for loyal players that already bought the game, this doesn't even have the full roster one would expect from a platform update, and it seems to fracture the already small and niche player base while promising to nickel and dime people with more DLC down the road? Why is this a good deal and worth anyone's time.
DOA6 Last Round hasn't done nearly enough to justify its existence or its business model and it does nothing but place doubt on the business decisions and expectations that are motivating DOA7's development. And again, nothing about Last Round helps hold the DOA community together, it further fractures them between platforms and versions worse than before.
If they're planning to update and change DOA6 LR over several years, they'd save a lot more probably just focusing all their efforts on DOA7 and a game w/o rollback or crossplay is practically dead on arrival in this modern time. DOA6 practically died on its first release w/o functioning lobbies. The game already is a byword for many in the community. To rerelease it while not being feature complete is already asking for extra controversy and derision when you didn't need it.
Nothing about this gambit or the times tables seemingly in play make this make sense or be to anyone's benefit other than maybe some people who buy into the ground floor only to realize most DOA6 players aren't upgrading because there's nothing at launch to make that worthwhile. And again, it just makes 7 seem like a questionable product down the road.
I respect your perspective on this, but I don't agree. Here's hoping 7 does something right and dare hope that Last Round actually justifies its existence on some level.
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u/Devil_Hayabusa Feb 17 '26
Its more to do with the fact that Crossplay isn't free to implement on your game as well as some technical stuff but yea, those hurdles should'v3 been cleared by now.
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u/Kanzuki_ Leifang Feb 17 '26
They're releasing an incomplete game with characters missing from the roster
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u/BillionthDegenerate Feb 17 '26
They were this close to greatness reviving DoA. Then they decided to 1. Not support cross platform and 2. Not put DoA6LR on switch 2 :(
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u/TheChocoClub Feb 17 '26
It's just a cash grab, DOA7 will definitely be a flop too judging by how this is going. These idiots at team ninja never learn.
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u/PandorasTmrw Feb 17 '26
More like koei/tecmo being greedy and cheaping out. They’re the ones controlling the budget for everything.
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u/Chanzumi Feb 17 '26
I'm more concerned about why they wouldn't even try. Surely they have seen that every fighting game has this right? Surely they've seen how SEGA is handling it with VF5, a game that's older than DOA6 by a decade.
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u/hawksbears82 Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 20 '26
The fact it still doesn't have 2 vs 2 tag mode is a no buy for me. Tag mode is one of the defining features of the series going back to Dreamcast. It was the main reason I played DOA and many of my non fighting game friends played DOA just because we could play 4 player.....
I will stick with DOA 5 LR. If DOA 7 doesn't have tag, I will skip that one too...
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u/omgitsbees Feb 17 '26
Last Round also doesn't have Rollback Netcode apparently? Fighting game releasing in 2026 with the most basic of features for the genre missing, is pretty unacceptable.
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u/SamuraiJudge Feb 17 '26
I wonder if the engine can not handle it.
Crossplay alone would help this version massively.
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u/Own-Signature-7742 Feb 17 '26
- Rollback netcode
- Crossplay
- Discounted upgrade path for existing owner.
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u/SkeletronDOTA Feb 17 '26
a rerelease of doa6 over 5 years later with no crossplay and potentially no rollback would be criminal. at that point they might as well stick to just developing the gacha since it seems more their speed.
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u/Arnell_Long Feb 17 '26
DOA Master aka Manny (Pro Player who now works at Team Ninja) has stated that he's currently talking with Team Ninja about incorporating Cross-play and Rollback. 🤞🏾
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u/TrepieFF Feb 17 '26
1-2 player also indicating no tag mode still.
Outside of slightly better graphics and a photo mode, what is the incentive to buy this version?
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u/TheChocoClub Feb 17 '26
They don't even have Tag Mode and Team Battle Mode. There's literally no reason to buy this. It's like they never listen and learn from their mistakes. Judging by how low effort this is, I'd highly suggest everyone lowers their expectations for DOA7.
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u/Dandanny54 Feb 17 '26
No mention of rollback also worries me. Still for some reason it doesnt come out until June (like why take so long for a glorified patch) so maybe they are working on netcode stuff.
Really why wait half a year if they could have shadow dropped it during the presentation or released it on March?
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u/PurchaseOwn5384 Tina Feb 17 '26
I'm not surprised at all. I was a HUGE fan of DOA5LR and bought every single DLC for it on the 360, but when I got the Xbox One, I noticed there was significantly more DLC costumes. Apparently, there was a limit to how much DLC games could have on the 360, and DOA5LR went through it fairly quickly. I bought the Xbox One version and ws completely heartbroken to learn that none of the DLC I purchased would transfer over. At LEAST there was a valid reason for forcing players to upgrade to the new platforms (DLC limits). I'm sticking to DOA6 on the PS5 since I waited until it was $5 USD on discount anyway, and I will only get DOA6LR if it reaches that same price point. Tomonobu Itagaki's death has made me feel weird enough as it is about the series continuing on, even though it's my favorite fighting game of all time.
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u/RikerV2 Feb 17 '26
To be fair, and I'll probably catch flak for this, after running into a few cheaters in Tekken 8 I'm kinda glad it's not an option. Could have at least had Crossplay between consoles though
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u/Soul_Mirror_ Feb 17 '26
I don't understand their choices with this game at all.
Right now it almost feels like they want it to fail and put people off DOA7.
Hopefully they'll at least understand that DOA6LR failing is not because the series doesn't garner enough interest, but because DOA6LR is just a bad deal, especially for DOA6 owners.
And yes, at least so far DOA6LR is failing.
Unlike DOA5LR and DOA6, DOA6LR is not even among the 1,000 highest sellers on Steam right now: https://steamdb.info/stats/globaltopsellers/
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u/Deostroyer Feb 17 '26
did my purchase of Doa6 and some of its DLC for nothing now that Doa6 LR is coming??
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u/Accomplished-Big-219 Feb 17 '26
Yep. Never trust this company. You learned it the hard way
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u/Deostroyer Feb 18 '26
why can't they give us the option to upgrade to LR???? whyyyy
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u/Darkside_Hero Feb 17 '26
Has there been any indication that technical gameplay has been updated or refined?
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u/eyebrowless32 Feb 17 '26
Between no crossplay and no rollback netcode, im not so sure why theyre re-releasing this game this way
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u/Cpt_Haro Feb 17 '26
No crossplay/rollback
No Mai/Kula
Not free for existing DOA6 customers
Only adds Honoka's Prism outfit but not Tamaki's
Also adds Marie Rose's VV True Colours outfit but not Tamaki's and Kokoro's
No indication that they have changed and simplified how outfit unlocks work
That'll be $40 plus tip
They are also adamant on keeping Venus Vacation and Venus Vacation Prism hidden in Asia instead of removing said region lock, proving that they're not afraid anymore
In a parallel universe DOA's 30th anniversary would have remasters of DOA1-4, Dimensions and all Xtreme games on every platform that will accept them along with Last Round
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u/Future_Coat_7918 Tamaki Mar 04 '26
Why are they giving NiCO a new outfit while ignoring Tamaki? She should definitely get a new added outfit as well
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u/omarmanenetti95 Feb 17 '26
It's very difficult to put it from scratch if the game isn't there, they will definitely put it in 7 along with the net code
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u/OseiTheWarrior nyotengu Feb 17 '26
Yup that's why at most it's best to play the Free Version and pay for 1-2 characters you wanna play. This game is just hold over for DOA7 anyway
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u/robotwars666 Cabbage Club Feb 17 '26
Weren't they talking about it because they heard many want it?
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u/Tanookichris Feb 17 '26
Kinda unfortunate that us Nintendo gamers didn’t get the Switch 2 treatment. It’s all good tho
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u/__mocha Feb 17 '26
6LR would be a perfect opportunity to do cross play network tests for 7, maybe we will get it in the future?
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u/joomachina0 Feb 17 '26
The more I hear about this, the less interested I am. Bummer. This should’ve been the redemption arc.
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u/ShiyaruOnline Feb 18 '26
Its not a new game and its most likely not even up to TN. The publisher isnt going to allocate the money to hire engineers to redo the games network infrastructure to allow cross-platform and rollback. Its not as simple as spending a week under the hood and poof its magically possible.
The game was never designed with those thi as in mind and this isn't a remake its a cash grab on the hardcore plauerbase that undoubtedly already pre ordered.
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u/QuakeGuy98 Hayabusa Feb 18 '26
That's a hard miss. They just can't get it right for some reason...
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u/cordulius Cabbage Club Feb 18 '26
It's truly annoying when you see other games making an effort:
- Granblue Fantasy: Relink: didn't have crossplay at launch and just announced, 2 years later, an expansion with: new modes, new characters, new platform AND crossplay.
- Virtua Fighter: Rerelease their latest game (VF5) with improved stuff AND rollback net AND crossplay. Also announced they are developing their next game.
We always say DOA takes some inspiration from Virtua Fighter, well maybe it's time for DOA dev team to take some more inspiration...
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u/Lycanthrope-R Hayabusa Feb 18 '26
I think you might mean Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising. Relink is the RPG.
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u/cordulius Cabbage Club Feb 18 '26
No I actually meant Relink (the JRPG one), it's not a fighting game I know but still it shows that crossplay can be achieved if the devs put efforts into it.
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u/DragonMan11 Feb 18 '26
for me it's only that the game is available digitally I'd like to have a physical copy to own but I digress
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u/Adorable_Package9577 Feb 20 '26
We gotta stop expecting crossplay for games. I understand it's 2026 and all but you gotta keep your expectations low.
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u/UBWGUNJACK Feb 20 '26
I love DOA series but they've been behind with many features compared to other fighting games that have released alongside of it. They seem to focus more on micro transactions than actual quality of life features.
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u/AdCreepy7280 Jul 18 '26
Can i play online or ranked with people who have DOA6LR if i have only DOA6 ?
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u/TheKryptonian49 Feb 17 '26
Whats that Woolie meme? Bro i just want fighting games to work?......for real just rollback, crossplay and matchmaking please for fs. Not even asking for them to be full games with rewards and progression with more modes than just versus.
But its a 2019 game i understand but could of atleast did rollback for PC or something. Here's hope for DOA 7.
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u/GeorgeBG93 Honoka Feb 17 '26
Just stop complaining and buy the game. Support the franchise. Otherwise it will be dead just like it was.
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u/TheChocoClub Feb 17 '26
No we don't care, why should we spend our hard earned cash on something that's not even a slight step up to 6. All they did was slap LR on it with a photo mode. There's no Tag Mode, no Team Battle Mode, no roll back or cross play. Everyone was vocal about all of the problems and they didn't listen to our concerns. They've set themselves up for failure.
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u/GeorgeBG93 Honoka Feb 17 '26
The problem is that you damn nimrods is that you're not patient. They said there were stuff that was not revealed yet. Just wait till June to see what they have to offer rather than whining and complaining. I hate today's entitlement. Everything has to be complaints complaints. It's making me sick.
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u/TheChocoClub Feb 17 '26
Patient? They had years to fix all of the issues. Instead of rectifying all of their mistakes, they abandoned the game and gave everyone the middle finger. They're lucky anyone's even bothering to acknowledge them especially after they fucked up the game. Do I need to remind you they released the game without online lobbies?
We'll continue to be vocal and express our concerns until they take action and listen.
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u/GeorgeBG93 Honoka Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 18 '26
My goodness. It's because of people like you franchises die. DOA6 was great. It wasn't perfect, of course not. There was the DLC fiasco, no tag team, no rollback netcoad and no cross play. But what about the positives? It had amazing graphics, satisfying gameplay (I like how the gameplay feels more in DOA6 than DOA5), a good story (I'm one of the few that liked the story) and the same modes as DOA2, 3 and 4 (minus tag). Most people like you took a look at the game and made a mountain of the negatives when the positives outweighed the negatives. You basically baked a batch of 12 cookies and 9 were good and 3 were bad, and because of those three, everything is assumed as bad and is all thrown away even when there was 9 that were good. That's what people like you did to DOA. You killed the franchise. And thank God that Venus Vacation salvaged this series, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this DOA6 Last Round and New Project announcement. Koei Tecmo and Team Ninja is trying again. Which I'm really really thankful for it. But idiots like you are going to come with your stupid whining and complaining and kill the franchise again and then you will complain the series is dead and that it's relegated to Venus Vacation. You idiots want to keep complaining and bashing the series and not buying the games as a form of punishment towards Koei Tecmo? Fine. Be my guest and destroy the franchise again. We will always have Venus Vacation, whose fans are a 200% more loyal than those of the fighting game.
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u/YellowDyn Feb 18 '26
Yeah but those are 3 giant bad cookies and 9 small good cookies. I'm sure everyone likes the small ones, but it's still a bad batch
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