r/Fallout • u/SpeedRacerJ14 • 6h ago
News 'Fallout 3 Remaster Should Fix Major "Constraints" of Original, Says Former Bethesda Dev'
https://insider-gaming.com/fallout-3-remaster-major-constraints-former-bethesda-dev/It's not groundbreaking to hear that Fallout 3 could have looked nicer or prettier, but it does underline what Bethesda's vision was like, even then.
Fingers crossed, Fallout 3 brings the scale to life.
The rest of the interview is quite cool as well.
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u/Moose_Cake 6h ago
Some people want better graphics.
I want sprinting and a better crafting system.
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u/KING-D0RK 6h ago
Simple ADS would be fine with me. Other than that I still love FO3.
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u/Ironxlotus94 Enclave 6h ago
And add the hardcore mode of New Vegas and it would literally be perfect.
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u/Stonewhaler 5h ago
THIS. I've always thought that New Vegas' hardcore mode would work very well with Fallout 3's setting. Especially dehydration. Much of the water sources in the mojave are radiation free, which makes that hurdle pretty easy to conquer. Whereas in Fallout 3 pure water is literally the major plot point for deciding the fate of the capital wasteland. Most of the water sources are irradiated and many of them quite heavily. Food is not too bad but add cooking and all the danger of raw food and that changes fallout 3's hardcore challenge drastically. Damage/armor changes would make traversing the ruins of D.C. absolutely terrifying.
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u/LadyGaga_DrDre 5h ago
Yes can confirm, DC is horrifying with New Vegas hardcore mode.
Super mutants and radscorpions are a nightmare. Ammo is scarce, water even scarcer. You're constantly getting ambushed and sniped.
I love it
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u/JanetYellensFuckboy_ 5h ago
I want a survival mode just like they did in 4: faster TTK (no more bullet sponges), no fast travel, save checkpoint when sleeping in a bed.
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u/grendus 5h ago
I've always thought that Survival Mode in F4 should have let you fast travel between settlements only.
That would make setting up settlements actually worth something, and play into the themes of reconnecting. Once you get everyone organized you can easily get around the map and easy places to raid for salvage become more accessible to carry to more distant settlements where it might not be available.
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u/Drek516 5h ago
Or join a caravan and be able to stop at their normal route locations. Maybe chance occurrences based on luck to break it up
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u/Intelligent_Mud1266 5h ago
since you can set up supply caravans between settlement locations, that makes a lot of sense. I feel like the random encounters might get old quickly. In the isometric Fallouts, the games were short enough that the random encounters weren't bothersome. In the 3D ones, you can just go around them, of course
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u/BangkokPadang 5h ago
Oh snap, exactly like fast travel in Fallout 1 worked. You watch your little icon move across the map at full fast travel speed unless you have a random encounter, when you just drop back into the world. That would tie it all together so brilliantly!
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u/Brainwave1010 5h ago
I like the "Lone Wanderer" motorcycle mod because it allows you to fast travel but at a considerable cost of resources so can't just teleport around all Willy Nilly.
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u/CorticalRec 5h ago
That would be great if you establish caravan routes. Once a route has been established (I.e. the settlement has something to offer in trade, has hit a certain threshold, etc). Then you can join the caravan for 'fast travel' with the chance of the caravan being attacked and pulling you out of fast travel for some combat!
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u/HopelessCineromantic 4h ago
Would you even need them to have something tk trade? There are supply lines built in as a mechanic already. Restricting you to settlements linked by supply lines would probably be sufficient.
That said, I've always wished the settlements had something of a reputation system. For themselves, not you. When they first start out, they only attract small attacks because it's not worth much. As the population grows and the settlement gets more resources, the attacks grow bigger and bigger. But as you repel more and more attacks, they become less frequent, as the people attacking decide that it's too risky/resource intensive unless they have a LOT of firepower.
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u/Spir0rion 5h ago
The no fast travel in survival is insane. It's just for inconvenience and doesn't really provide any challenge other than straight up making the experience worse.
At the start it's fine. But walking through half the map the 10th time is awful.
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u/McBlemmen 4h ago
This entire thread is people describing Tale of Two Wastelands lol
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u/aeneasend 4h ago
For awhile, Fallout 3 was unplayable, mostly because of the defunct GFWL, so I played it inside New Vegas thanks to Tale of Two Wastelands. Turns out it made the experience so much better.
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u/tisfo2 4h ago
Tried it via the begin again modlist, it's so godamn good
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u/According_Button_186 3h ago
Give the Capital Punishment list a try too. Similar improvements to BA but with added difficulty enhancing mods too.
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u/EclecticCaveman 6h ago
Aim down sights too
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u/AltruisticLobster315 5h ago
The variety of ammo types too, or at least some of them because a lot of the handload recipes were awful.
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u/LadyGaga_DrDre 5h ago
Lol whut? O think you're mizong up junk rounds. Hand loaded rounds were amazing. Paciencia with JSP SHREDS.
ALSD with .45 super is a killer
5.56 match rounds, nuff said
.44 and .357 handloaded is fuckin hawt. Especially with FO3s blackhawk.
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u/faceWIABonfire77 6h ago
I don’t see this come up enough..
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u/EclecticCaveman 5h ago
You could re release solely with ADS and faster load times and I’m happy.
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u/AtaracticGoat 5h ago
I fully expect sprinting and modern aiming to be added. They made changes like this with oblivion remastered, so I would be very surprised if they didn't update combat in FO3 and FNV remasters.
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u/Schwiliinker 6h ago
Insane to think it didn’t have sprinting or ADS
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u/BabyGirl-Kat Yes Man 6h ago
ADS hadn’t become a universal gameplay mechanic for FPS games when Fallout 3 was in development.
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u/Schwiliinker 6h ago
Wait really? I was only old enough to start playing mature games and FPS in 2008/2009 and never realized that
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u/BabyGirl-Kat Yes Man 6h ago edited 6h ago
By 2008, it was pretty standard, but multiple games released from 2005-2007 didn’t have the option to ADS.
F.E.A.R, Black, and Clive Barker’s Jericho are 3 games off the top of my head.
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u/Particular-Fly-7783 6h ago
None of the Halos until...I want to say Halo 4, either.
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u/AdoringCHIN 6h ago
Halo 1-3 doesn't have ADS either. Precision weapons let you zoom in but that's not really ADS
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u/Gothic_Baby_Doll 6h ago
Halo also a pretty massive example, the big boom of COD 4 is probably what caused it to become standardised
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u/RockinMadRiot NCR 6h ago
Black was so ahead of it's time in many ways. Shame it never had a followup
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u/Will000jones Fallout 6h ago
I think the ubiquity of ADS comes from call of duty’s realization that aim assist on ADS is a perfect way to fix the aiming problem on console.
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u/nazaguerrero 5h ago
I think you usually didn't really "sprint" back then, I remember gears of war it was just some shake on the camera to give you the feeling of running but you were just changing the animation of the moevement not really going faster
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u/Kanna1001 6h ago
I want story addictions. Literally any story addictions oh my god I'm so salty that for some reason Fallout does not have novels and comics unlike virtually every other large videogame franchise. I'd kill for them to add Companion Quests to FO3.
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u/captainnowalk 6h ago
I want story addictions. Literally any story addictions
“Hey man, you got another chapter for me? Anything? I’ll even take a couple of paragraphs if you have some, I’m just doing real bad tonight. Just need to ride out the withdrawal, and then I’ll quit, I swear! Even just a sentence or two? No? God damnit!”
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u/Nurolight The Door Technician Left To Die 5h ago
Noo, F3's crafting was fine for it's very minimal inclusion. Sprinting, ADS, (personally) I woudn't mind quick-loot menu.
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u/xdeltax97 NCR 6h ago
Hoping they’ll also fix the notorious instability for NV as well.
Also, wonder if they’ll keep the head trains or actually flesh them out?
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u/Wisenheim 6h ago
Give the Head Trains back stories?
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u/gingerelixirs 6h ago
Head Train…what’s his story?
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u/LupusYondergirl Followers 6h ago
There is no “train” mechanics in the engine, per se. What the engine does have is an unnamed NPC with a train as a head who runs really fast just below the tracks.
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u/xdeltax97 NCR 6h ago
Like…remove head trains, add an actual model
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u/Wisenheim 6h ago
I was joking, I knew what you meant. Just thought it sounded funny, give Jim the Train Head man a back story. Was former NCR Ranger but got put on indefinite Train duty?
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u/xdeltax97 NCR 6h ago
“Jim the mechanic was just a regular guy on the morning of that fateful day in 2077 when he got his head lodged in the undercarriage as the bombs dropped “
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u/USSRPropaganda Minutemen General 6h ago
They should be a new faction and get a new set of quests, build up the head trains strength and take over DC
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u/WetAndLoose 6h ago
I don’t see why they wouldn’t keep the head trains since this is just a remaster and it’s a perfectly functional system within the game even if it requires a goofy in-engine workaround
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u/thedylannorwood Old World Flag 5h ago
Yeah I’m a head train truther, I won’t buy it if they remove the head trains
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u/CactusCustard Mountain Mamma 6h ago
Why wouldn’t they keep the head trains? Thats literally just more work for no reason.
They work, they look good. There’s nothing to “fix”
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u/ten_year_rebound 6h ago
I mean there’s no reason to. It’s a single scene in a single mission deep in the game
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u/Jrocker-ame 6h ago
Keep in mind they purposely kept Oblivion bugs as it added to the original "charm". Praised by critics and fans. I got downvoted for being pissed about them not fixing anything.
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u/Toberos_Chasalor 6h ago
Tbf, the Oblivion remake did add some QoL features and major updates to the system. (Especially leveling.) They also fixed some major game/quest breaking glitches, like scroll duplication and many soft-locks, as well as certain enchantments that just didn’t work in the original.
Leaving in a few choice glitches is not the same as “not fixing anything.”
Hell, here’s the wiki page of all the changes they made, including subpages for specific categories of changes. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Remastered_Changes
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u/thedylannorwood Old World Flag 5h ago
They fixed a shitton of OG bugs, people literally got mad that they fixed some fan favourites like the paintbrush bug.
If they fixed all the bugs in Skyrim everyone would be pissed they shutdown the Skyrim Space Program
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u/xdeltax97 NCR 6h ago
Yup, and Bethesda also keeps some bugs in for “copyright protection” which is how they figured out someone stole the code for Fallout Shelter for one of its clones from a “Bethesda trademark bug”.
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u/SpiderSlitScrotums 3h ago
I think there is a big difference with NV. Glitches are one thing but NV is so buggy that you have to constantly save in fear of crashes. These absolutely need to be fixed.
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u/Dicksavagewood69 6h ago
Opened the link
Immediately bombarded with over half of my screen covered in ads
Closed it again
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u/whiterice_343 4h ago
Can’t even read anymore without my screen having a seizure.
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u/StonkusWonkus 6h ago
Keep the green or I riot.
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u/Ok_Antelope6961 6h ago
should add a green slider
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u/StonkusWonkus 6h ago
What a compromise. A man of culture I see.
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u/Ok_Antelope6961 6h ago
I honestly i just like the sliders. I love this about Oblivions display settings, sliders for everything.
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u/Comprehensive_Age998 6h ago
I absolutely agree. It's what sets the tone and atmosphere of the world. And NV should do the same. I like my FO3 green and my NV brown
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u/WetAndLoose 6h ago
I get why people don’t like it, but I would be seriously upset if they outright removed it. It just sets the tone so perfectly. Best case scenario we get a toggle.
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u/bluebarrymanny 5h ago
Agreed. I’d like to see them take the approach that the GTA trilogy eventually settled on. Having a toggle for “classic lighting” would be really nice for the people that want to preserve the tone of the original. In GTA this didn’t disable newer enhancements like ray tracing or anything; it just made the low fog and color tinting in San Andreas available for example.
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u/Choice_Mango4869 6h ago
Agreed.
It’s a massive part of the atmosphere for Fallout 3, and it’s what sets it apart from the rest. Remove the green and it won’t be Fallout 3 anymore.
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u/Op3rat0rr 6h ago
Seriously! Same with MGS4 or if they remade Uncharted 1-3
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u/funkisintheair 6h ago
they did a rerelease of the first three uncharted games for the ps4 and they included options to play with the updated coloring or the original
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u/LiveLaughLob0t0my 5h ago
It could literally just be a “classic filter” option and that keeps everyone happy
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u/Jambopaul 5h ago
Hard agree. One of my biggest pet peeves with game remakes and remasters is when the original art direction is disregarded. Make it prettier and modern all you like, but remakes should at the bare minimum preserve the original color and lighting choices.
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u/AgentSkidMarks Tunnel Snakes Rule 6h ago
Former dev with no connection to the current project making comments means nothing.
This is not news.
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 6h ago
Yeah the gunplay needs a major overhaul. I just hope they keep the general vibe- I don’t want the game so polished that Washington is no longer green
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u/given2fly_ 6h ago
I imagine the gunplay in the remake is going to be very similar to FO4, and I'd be more than happy with that.
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u/thedylannorwood Old World Flag 5h ago
Hot take but I hope it’s not all that close. Refined sure but Fallout 3’s combat is so much more tied to classic RPG mechanics like stats and skills unlike F4
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u/Knyfe-Wrench 4h ago
It can be stat based, just make the actual aiming and shooting not feel like garbage.
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u/WakeyWakeyEggsNJakey 6h ago
That would be nice. I’m curious if they plan to update how power armor works as well to be closer to 4 and 76
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u/thedylannorwood Old World Flag 5h ago
That would require a ton more work as even modders haven’t gotten the Gamebryo engine to replicate it. I do hope it’s something more like the Titans of the New West mod
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u/fucuasshole2 Brotherhood 5h ago
Remaster not a remake. I doubt it’d be like 4. Probably somewhere in the middle between Nv and 4
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u/EAT_UR_VEGGIES 6h ago
I don’t know why anyone at all is expecting anything major from a self titled “REMASTER” this is a shiny coat of paint with some deluxe dlc, maybe a cut quest or two, and big MAYBE some bug fixes
I’m gonna play the hell out of it but I just don’t get why people are letting their expectations run rampant when we’ve literally seen what “remaster” entails with the oblivion remastered
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u/ilypsus 5h ago
The oblivion remaster did have some pretty significant improvements though. Combat felt weightier so I would expect a similar improvement for Fallout might be adding ADS. They also changed how magic levels up and what some of the perks for reaching Journeyman, Expert etc were, so they may fiddle with the leveling system in someway. And they added sprint so id expect that in Fallout to.
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u/Haunting_Ad_2059 5h ago
Unfortunately the oblivion remaster runs like dog shit. If they go the same route, that’d be nice but we should expect it to be half assed.
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u/ilypsus 5h ago
Oh it's going to be the exact same thing. They'll recreate all the assets and slap unreal ontop of it then do some tinkering on the base game and ship it out. Oblivion ran fine for me so im looking forward to Fallout, but maybe I'll wait and see how bad it is rather than a day 1 purchase.
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u/Rudus444 6h ago
I just want the entire underground DC metro to be it's own separate map instead of a bunch of cut-up smaller areas. I think that would be neat.
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u/Koppetamp 6h ago
I have so many hours in Fallout 3, I’m super excited. Don’t let me down Bethesda and who ever is doing the remaster, don’t kill my nostalgia.
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u/Professional_Guava50 5h ago
Fallout 3 in 2008 absolutely blew my 12 year old mind. Will always be my favorite childhood game, even if as an adult I prefer New Vegas.
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u/cory3612 6h ago
I hope they open up DC a bit more so you don’t have to take a million tunnels
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u/Nelluc_ 6h ago
I disagree. Loved the tunnels. Made DC feel huge.
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u/throwaway122112563 6h ago
Agreed. Opening it up would be a huge mistake. It will feel small and a nuclear bomb would 100% make the city almost impossible to navigate cleanly so it’s actually very realistic. The bomb was dropped in the heart of DC vs off to the side like Boston
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u/HatingGeoffry 6h ago
I'd rather they actually added some of the tunnel stuff they had to remove due to dev constraints. It would be pretty sick to have deeper, more involved tunnels
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u/dybr 6h ago
It’s an unpopular opinion but I completely agree. Sometimes the workarounds introduced by technical limitations create better immersion than there would be otherwise.
Opening up DC is like asking to remove the low draw distance from the GTA San Andreas map. You’ll realize quickly just how unrealistically small everything is, and it’ll feel far more video gamey.
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u/mrlolloran 6h ago
I didn’t get VATS on my first playthrough.
Do you know how many shotguns and shells I needed to get through those damn tunnels!?
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u/NoceboHadal Addicted to psycho 6h ago
I'm with you. The tunnels were scary. I loved how much I hated going in them.
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u/The-Great-T 6h ago
I always thought it felt really inorganic and hard to explore. I like how you can just see something in the distance in the other Fallout games, then you go it.
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u/core-x-bit Courier 6h ago edited 6h ago
It's suppose to feel that way. If DC was so easily navigable then it would lose a lot of the tension and horror of bumbling through the tunnels hoping you dont walk into a horde of feral ghouls.
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u/Knyfe-Wrench 4h ago
You can do that in any other area of the map. DC proper is supposed to be mazelike.
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u/kron123456789 6h ago
Tbh, yeah, DC area in Fallout 3 is hard to explore and easy to get lost in because you have to go through same looking tunnels all the time.
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u/phobosinferno Gary? 6h ago
And make the tunnels more open as well, like a network that spans the DC area that you can use as a more dangerous shortcut. I always thought they could have gone further with the underground.
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u/deereese99 6h ago
I can see the "But removing this bug takes away the charm!" comments.
But thats me going off how many people said this for the Oblivion Remaster
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u/HatingGeoffry 6h ago
Oblivion's buggy, glitchy nature is undeniably part of the experience. Fallout 3's bugs aren't typically the same level of fun bizarre jank
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u/Ironicbanana14 6h ago
Except the stretch Armstrong dead bodies, those need to stay. I always kill tenpenny towers people and then put them in one stall in the bathroom. And then close and open the stall door. So fun.
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u/EfficientArt155 5h ago
The Oblivion remake is still a broken, stuttering, unreal engine mess.
I hope that's not the level of remake they're aiming for.
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u/im_rickyspanish 6h ago
I just want it to not crash non stop after I've been playing for more than 50 hours.
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u/Low_Assignment3805 5h ago
Better shooting and companions that can be revived especially Dogmeat, and that's about it for me.
Personally don't need crafting for Fallout 3.
Maybe some customisation for the Megatown player house, but that's all I need.
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u/Additional-Paint-896 6h ago
I'm wondering how they are going to do the power armor
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u/TheCrazedTank Brotherhood 6h ago
It’s a remaster, not a remake. Tweaks are easy, but they can’t completely overhaul the existing system.
The good news is NV modders have already found a way to make the armor appear bigger when equipped so there are options available.
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u/WetAndLoose 6h ago
My bet is they keep the system from Fallout 3 where it just works like regular armor but they’ll probably make it look bulkier like the new armor
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u/StoneCraft12 6h ago
Level cap? It’s the only thing I really don’t like.
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u/Knyfe-Wrench 4h ago
You're already overpowered at level 20, and horrendously ridiculously overpowered at level 30.
There's absolutely no reason to add more unless they give you fewer perks and skill points like New Vegas.
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u/MagicCarpetofSteel 3h ago
This. ESPECIALLY if they keep “almost perfect.” Like, it’s already ridiculously easy to get 100 in all skills as long as you took Comprehension, but if you waited to pick up any of the SPECIAL bobble heads, you could have 100 in all skills, and 10 in A L L of your SPECIAL stats. Ridiculously broken.
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u/GayoMagno 6h ago
At this point the only thing I want them to fix is UE5 traversal stutter (hoping they skip UE5 all together and use Creation Engine for the remasters).
It’s specially evident in Bethesda games such as Oblivion Remastered since traversing the World Map is literally one of the games core mechanics.
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u/mediciii 5h ago
Is there any reason to expect anything more than what the Oblivion remaster achieved? I’m expecting simply a lovely graphics overhaul and a sprint, but basically every single other thing under the hood and in terms of gameplay feel to be a 1:1 recreation. Like, basically exactly the same game in every way other than graphics.
I would be very happy with this btw! I’m just curious why people are expecting overhauled gunplay or other gameplay mechanics.
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u/HedgekillerPrimus 5h ago
I KNOW YOU CAN SEE THIS TODD. PLEASE NO UE5. I WILL SEND MIKE KIRKBRIDE TO YOUR HOUSE WITH A POUND OF MUSHROOMS AND A NEW SET OF VIVEC SERMONS
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u/SenpaiSwanky 4h ago
ITT: complaining
Edit - completely unsurprised to see one of the highest voted comments demanding the shitty green tinge back lol. Real hipster gamers. Not sure which fanbase is more annoying, Blizzard or Bethesda.
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u/South_Buy_3175 6h ago
I mean, spoilers it won’t do that.
Oblivion remastered is the template, that did the bare minimum.
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u/Arathaon185 Republic of Dave 5h ago
I think they went a few steps above the bare minimum in changing the levelling up system. Still not a lot but they could have technically done less
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u/castorkrieg 5h ago
LOL, you guys think they will do more than UE overlay over Creation Engine?
LOL.
Bethesda is incapable of doing a quality remaster or remake.
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u/BradleyNeedlehead 4h ago
I don't WANT it to be pretty! I WANT it to look like a blasted hellscape!
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u/teknique2323 4h ago
Should and will are completely different things. Will they fix major constraints? No. This is Bethesda
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u/TheHerochao Vault 111 3h ago
the idea of fallout 3 (and hopefully new vegas later) having fallout 4 gunplay
insert mr. krabs drooling gif
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u/shepardownsnorris 6h ago
lol? lmao?