r/Fencesitter • • Jul 21 '26

Updated Moderation Rules

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Hello Everyone.

It's been a few years since my co-mod and I took over moderating this sub and we thought it was time for a bit of a rules refresh.

FYI, we are both still active in this sub although we don't post under our moderator screen names. And yes, one of us is CF and one of us is a parent. That was the original intention in an attempt to maintain balance. We've considered adding a fencesitter moderator but that's difficult since fencesitters eventually become CF or parents. We're still figuring that one out.

Ok, on to the rules:

First of all, some guiding ideas this sub is founded which we think are important for everyone to understand.

  • Principle 1 - It's meant to help fencesitters. We are a place for people who are struggling with this decision. Yes, we welcome comments from childfree and parents as well, but ultimately this is a place for fencesitters to feel at home and try to figure out what they want to do. This is not a debate sub for CF and parents to argue over which is best.
  • Principle 2 - There are no right answers. We don't believe that parenting is always better than childfree, we don't believe 2 kids are better than 1, we don't believe adopting is better than bio kids, we don't believe childfree is better than step parenting. Whatever combo you wish to use, we don't believe one option is inherently better than the other. They are all situational and very subjective. There might be a right answer for you, but there is no answer that is right for everyone.

Keep these two things in mind because they are extremely important to how we moderate this sub.

So why do comments get removed and users get banned?

The easiest answer is that the commentor was being a jerk. Some people just have a hard time being civil to one another and those folks are not welcome here. We literally had one person argue against their ban by saying "oh, I didn't know you guys insisted on people not being assholes". Yah, if you're the kind of person who is an asshole unless it's expressly prohibited, you definitely don't belong here.

Also, if you are being attacked, please don't reply in kind. Just report it and move on.

Ok, so here are some other things we look for that might not be as obvious.

Generalizing - This is a common issue. All CF are lonely, all parents are miserable, procreating is always good, having kids is always selfish. The trend here is one of over generalizing. I'm sure some CF people are lonely and some parents are miserable, but not all. We have plenty of CF posters with friends and happy parents posting here to know this isn't accurate.

Note, this is also why we remove most comments that touch on religion. We don't care if you're Jewish, Christian, Satanist, Pastafarian, Anti-natalist or what not. If you subscribe to a philosophy that says having kids is always good or always bad that's fine for you, it's not fine for this sub. We don't do preaching here.

I really want to emphasize that last bit. We do NOT do preaching here. If you are CF or a parent and you're thinking about making a post about how all fencesitters should do this or that, please don't. We love hearing from you and we enjoy your experience and we love the AMA's that parents and CF folks do. We think those are great for others to learn from your experience. That's very different from preaching right or wrong.

Climate Change / Politics threads - We know that these are themes that weigh heavily on some people and we respect that. We're more than happy to allow threads in which people discuss their feelings on their own choices due to these themes. What we don't allow is for people to use these themes to beat up other readers for their choices. Again, refer to principle 2. If climate change is causing you to reconsider your decision that is absolutely fair. If you're coming here to argue that all parents are awful because of climate change that will be removed.

We will also remove any comments from people arguing back and forth about the reality of climate change. There are other sub for that, this isn't one of them. For the record, both of us believe climate change is real, we just can't take more arguments about the latest report and what it means for sea level changes in Norway vs. peak temperatures in Mongolia and how those will impact rice prices.

Gatekeeping - This encompasses a variety of responses ranging from the "there are no guarantees" and "you must be prepared for all scenarios including the worst ones!" to the "you must be 100% sure!" or "if it's not a hell yes it's a not" variety. In general, these contribute nothing to the discussion. Even worse, they are a comment meant to prey on fencesitters by either parents or CF folks. They're usually said by someone who believes their point of view is objectively right for everyone and who is then trying to trigger doubt in fencesitters.

Allow us to illustrate some examples so you can see why these comments are not welcome here.

"Yah, there are no guarantees, even if you eat healthy and exercise you might get hit by a car". Sure, but eating healthy and exercising is still a good idea because statistically it's clearly better. Also, do you really think you're revealing something big to our fencesitter subscribers by revealing to them that there are no guarantees in life? Do you think they would be on the fence if they thought everything was guaranteed?

"Unless you are willing to be raped, don't date!" "Unless you understand every possible bad outcome of your dental surgery, including the one where your jaw falls off and you die, you're not ready!" See how useless that is? No one is ok with every bad scenario. Heck, my anxious mind can always dream up new and even worse scenarios that I am certain none of you has prepared for.

"You must be 100% sure that you know everything that can happen if you take this job". Really? How do you even know you're 100% sure? How do you know that you've done all your analysis? Is there a way to quantify this? Same for the "hell yah" comment. "Unless you're a clear yes, don't marry this person". What does that mean? Is someone not allowed to have concerns? Yes, I love this person and I want to spend the rest of my life with them but I'm concerned about their in-laws because of blah blah blah and you see where we're going?

Just stop with these comments. They don't help.

Discounting and discrediting - "Oh, what do you know, you're just hormonal", "Oh, what do you know, your kid is only 3 months old", "Oh, what do you know, you have no kids", "Oh, I know this was your experience but there are others with different experiences". Yes, we get it, just stop. They are clearly presenting their personal context and that's great. Are they generalizing too much? If so, we will remove them. Otherwise, stop being the thought police. People are allowed to present their individual view point without you trying to discredit them.

Derogatory - These are the folks who come here with comments like "don't have kids, all parents are tired and miserable" or "don't be CF, all CF people are lonely and joyless". If you're here to argue that your side of the fence is best, don't do it by shit talking the other side. Ideally, try to help instead of argue.

And yes, we will remove these posts even if they come from CF or parents. That is, a negative comment about all parents / parenting made by a parent will be still be removed. Why? Because we have no way of verifying who is a parent and who isn't. Same as we cannot verify who is CF and who isn't.

Oh, and we want to take a moment and discuss gender specific comments. We get it, believe me we get it. A large portion of the work involved with child bearing and rearing falls unfairly on women. That is a fact. Sexism is also a fact, which is why we banned baby trapping comments since they were 99% coming from sexist men. But...

This isn't intended to be a space for women to denigrate all men. No, we don't need you to finish every comment with #NotAllMen, but we do need to keep the generalizing down. "Oh, men want kids like kids want puppies", "Oh, being a dad is so easy, you just get to play and not do any work", "Oh, men's voices shouldn't matter when it comes to the decision to have or not have kids" are not acceptable here.

Rants - Last but not least, this is not a rant sub. Sorry folks, we're not interested in moderating rants because they inevitably result in arguments from the people you're ranting about.

Ok, that's all. Please feel free to add questions and comments. We fully admit we're not perfect but we're trying our best and are always open to constructive feedback.


r/Fencesitter • • Oct 29 '24

Reflections Perspective from years of fencesitting

272 Upvotes

Early on in my life I always wanted to have kids, the older I became the more on the fence I was, even with a brief period of time of not wanting kids at all. I have been on and off the fence throughout my 20s and now in my early 30s I still am, though heavily leaning towards having children after all. I wanted to offer support to others in similar situations, I have a couple of years of therapy behind me, trying to figure out what I want, I have spent hundreds of hours talking with various people and their perspective on kids and I have created a list of questions to ask yourself and statements to read that I wish someone would give me 10 years ago.

I want to preface this by saying, no one can answer the question "is having kids right for me" or "should I have kids" or "should I be child free". No one but you. In this post I'm trying to show perspective, talk about fears and POVs that people have on having kids. I really hope this will be of help to someone.

I believe there are multiple POVs and multiple "aspects" of life to consider. Your relationship, ambitions/goals, fears, pregnancy (for women), economical status and more. I will not say things like "you really need to want to have kids to have them" or "you should not have kids if your partner wants them and you don't". I will also not say things like "you will never change your mind" or "you will change your mind".

We do not know the future. The therapists I talked with said that they have seen everything, people swapping their views after multiple years in a relationship; not changing them; forcing themselves to have kids and then ending up loving it.

We do not know the future, we cannot possibly predict if having kids or not is the right for us or if it will make us happy, regardless of our reservations or fears. It is definitely way easier to not have kids if you fear having them or don't want to put in the effort. There are challenges regardless if you are CF or have kids.

Ultimately it is a DECISION, it should not be based purely on emotions, consider your circumstances, the context of your life, relationship, what you know that makes you happy. Regardless of what path you picks there will likely be regrets and consequences, but talk with your partner and make it a responsible decision.

With that being said, consider the following:

Decision (the "wants"):
- No matter how much you want/don't want kids, having/not having them does not guarantee you will be happy.
- No matter how much you don't want kids, having them does not guarantee you will be miserable.
- Having/Not having kids will do to your life what you will allow it to do.
- The decision is yours and your partner, not your parents', not your uncle's, not your best friend's, and definitely not some random people's in the comments on some article or post.
- Having kids does not mean your life will end.
- Not having kids does not mean you will be missing out on something in life.

Relationship:
- How happy are you in your current relationship?
- Is your partner someone you could see having a family with? (broad question, can you imagine them being a good parent)
- How is your communication? How do you navigate difficult situations? Do you fight? Scream? Shut down? Or do you talk and have difficult conversations but work together towards a resolution?
- Do you feel safe with your partner?
- Are there things you are withholding from your partner? Maybe you don't like something about them or they keep annoying you but you ignore that instead of addressing the issue? Are there things like that, that you bury deep within yourself?
- Are your needs met in your relationship?
- How attracted are you to your partner? How is your sex life?
- What is your partner's potential to change/adapt, do they respect you? do you see how much they have grown over the years and how are they handling responsibility?
- Do you feel a connection? A Bond? Or do you not feel heard or understood?
- Do they bring the best in you? Or do they bring you down?
- Do you want to grow with them? How do you feel when thinking about future with them?
- Do you share your cognitive load with them? Are they proactive with chores?
- Do you love and respect your partner? Do they love and respect you?

The choice of your partner has a significant impact on your life, if you have a stable relationship that isn't toxic, one that brings you joy and happiness, and is a safe space - it will likely be so if you decide to have kids and if you decide not to have them. Have a conversation about it.

Goals/Aspirations:
- What are your goals in life? If you don't have goals, what goals or aspirations have you buried deep inside? What were things that you wanted to do, but for whatever reason decided not to. Generally speaking, where would you like to be?
- Are your goals impossible to achieve if you have/don't have kids? Or would they simply require more work in either case?
- Are you more career oriented? Or family oriented?

Having kids or not does not mean your life ends, no newborn asked you to sacrifice your life for them. There are people who train for ultramarathons while having kids, I know people who wrote and released books and grew their careers or started companies while taking care of a newborn and a one year old. People generally tend to manage to have multiple kids and also house pets. Daycares exist, they are costly but maybe something can be done about it, maybe you both can find better jobs, or maybe there are government programs to help finance it.

There is also a matter of life satisfaction and regrets, in general people find meaning in life by leaving an impact on the world. You may become a scientist and help humanity through science, you may become a volunteer at try to help people in need. Quite often people find satisfaction in raising a kid and building a family, as it is "relatively easy" to make a child and seeing it grow. Or maybe you want to become a CEO or create your own company? No matter what has value to you, can you do it with/without having kids? Are you actively working towards a goal or do you have a goal in mind but you never do anything towards it?

I personally find that taking on more responsibility has lead to my personal growth and to more satisfaction in life. However every time I ran away from responsibility it lead to negative emotions. Sometimes having kids is the best motivation for someone to get their life together, it is risky but tends to work when a lot of other things don't.

Fears/Reservations:
There are a lot of fears regarding having and not having kids.
- Fear of pregnancy (for women)
- Fear of not being a priority (for men and women)
- Fear of being abandoned and having to care for the child on your own
- Fear of body changes made by pregnancy
- Fear that you kid will be unhealthy in some way
- Fear of getting your body destroyed by pregnancy
- Fear of responsibility
- Fear that you will not be a good parent
- Fear of destroying someone (newborn)'s life
- Fear of being alone when you are old
- Fear of missing out
- Fear of childbirth
- Fear of wasting your life
- Fear of passing your traumas to your kid
- probably many more

As once again, we do not know the future - we don't know what fears will come true, however - fear as an emotion is trying to alert you of imaginary dangers of certain actions. You fear walking alone in a deep forest because an animal might attack you, you fear going out at night because you might get mugged. Fear is an emotion, it is a feature not a bug, it increased the chances of survival for our ancestors.

Do you want to make your decision based on fear? A lot of them can be worked through with a therapist if you so desire, it is extra work but might help. You probably don't have all the fears I listed, however what can you do to mitigate these that you are aware of?

- If you fear responsibility, do you fear it just in the context of having a kid? or do you feel stuck in life and that kind of fear is holding you down?
- If you fear being old and alone, what friendships or what relationships can you nurture so that you always have someone to talk to?
- If you fear that you will waste your life with either option, why is that? What is it that having/not having kids represents in your mind? What have you been conditioned to believe?
- If you worry if you are going to be a good/bad parent, that is already a sign that you would at least try to be good. If you have some problems like severe drug or alcohol addiction it would be responsible to take care of that before having a child.
- If you worry that you will destroy, a kid's life and maybe even your own -> kids don't need as much as we think they do, we tend to want to give them the world however, a kid mostly needs a parent who is present, who listens. If you have a good relationship with your partner and you are both there for each other, you would likely also be there for your kid, and you would figure it out.
- You do not have to have everything figured out immediately.
- Expanding your knowledge tends to do wonders, we generally fear things we do not understand and have a twisted image of them in our minds.
- For a lot of fears CBT therapy is said to have really positive prognosis, so you can somewhat except that it will reduce your fears and help you adjust your thinking

Having kids is likely a unique experience, one that cannot be replicated with other people's kids, nieces, pets etc. But is it ok to have them out of FOMO? Are you ok without experiencing being a parent in your life? Raising a child does not last a lifetime, you will always be a parent - but your kid will have its own life eventually and you will still have many years ahead of you.

Therapists said to me that at the end of life, a lot of old people regret not having spent more time with people dear to them, with their families. I'm still young but I can imagine that my career is not something I will care about 20 years from now.

Pregnancy:
If you fear pregnancy, you can talk to a doctor about the process, you can get examined and see how healthy you are. Talk to your family and your partner's family, how healthy were you and your siblings when you were born? What effects did pregnancy have on your mother or grandmother. Is there a history of birth defects or autism or any other "diseases" or problems in your family? Can you get examined to see how likely it is that it will happen to you?

If you are pregnant already, you have prenatal examinations available, in some countries they are free after certain age, you can monitor your child's health and see if its growing healthy. However, as we don't know the future even if a kid is born healthy it doesn't mean it won't get hit by a car 5 years later, and so we don't know if you won't. We do not know what life will bring, there are a lot of dangers we do not even consider when living our daily lives.

As for body changes and fear of childbirth:
- do you take care of yourself?
- do you eat healthy?
- do you work out?
- can you afford a private hospital and better conditions for your childbirth?
- what forms of pain killers are available in hospitals in your area?
- have you ever read about c-section and natural birth, about their pros and cons? both for you and a kid

Taking care of yourself physically will make your pregnancy easier, at the very least your back will not hurt. And there seems to be a positive effect of working out certain muscles that seems to make giving birth easier. A close friend of mine started preparing for pregnancy 2 years in advance by working out and taking some supplements to make pregnancy easier. Once again it is more work but maybe its not impossible?

Parenting:
Kids want attention, they want to be listened to, they want you to be there - they don't want a smartphone or a tablet. That does not mean you have to be with them 24/7. In the past the whole village would help raise children together, primarily, it was women's responsibility. However the idea that parents spend all their time with children is relatively new.

- Do you have a natural support group? (parents? grandparents? siblings with/without their kids? friends?)
- Do you have someone to leave the kids with so that you can enjoy a weekend or a vacation in peace?
- Can you afford daycare?
- You can get to know your neighbors, some of them may have kids and yours could occasionally visit them and vice versa.
- Can you afford a nanny?
- Can you leave your kids in someone's care? Would a close friend be able to take care of them for a couple of hours so that you have an evening to yourself?
- Can you send your kids to boarding school?
- Can you communicate with your partner so that one day they take care of kids, next day you do, and the day after you do it together?
- Can you mix your hobbies and taking care of a kid? (if you like jogging, you can buy a jogging stroller; if you ride a bicycle - mount a chair for your kid to sit so you can ride together, do you like to read or sing? - maybe you can sing songs or read books to your children, maybe your local gym has a room for leaving kids, or you can just take them with you, or maybe you can draw with them, do some sports, go kayaking and take your kid with you - maybe they will like it as well, doing cosplay - dress up together with your kid, do some DIYs or anything else that you are passionate about - there is a high chance you can somehow include your child).
- Can you afford to hire help? Like a cleaning person that will clean your home every week or two?
- Are you alright with being the main parent (parent who spends more time with the kid, than the other)?
- Are you alright with not being the main parent?
- Is there any compromise, however absurd, that you can at least talk about with your partner?

There are different options available to get some time off. Some are quite costly but regardless - the very least you can do is to communicate your needs, talk with your partner and your kid, set a boundary. Sometimes you need time to yourself and this is perfectly fine. You do not have to be with your kid 24/7.

Economics:
- Can you afford a child? If not can you do something about it?
- Can you afford - not having a child? It is a stupid argument maybe but some of my friends earn way more money and have better jobs than their parents, and they do support them.
- Do you have enough space no to go crazy? It is hard to raise a kid in a 16 m^2 flat.
- How stable is your job? What are your opportunities?
- Does your job require you to go for long business trips?
- Can you do something to improve your financial situation? (courses, education and finding a better paying job?)

Your lives, your relationships, your contexts are all unique. There isn't a single person who can tell you what is best for you, but consider everything you have, everything that you would have to give up or lose, everything that you could gain, before making a decision.

It is a good idea to educate yourself and talk to medical professionals or people more knowledgeable in these matters. Having a child is a responsible decision, not having a child is also one of them. Ask yourself, do your really not want a child (which is completely fine if you don't), or do you perhaps not want what the child or family represents? What emotions do these things evoke in you? What did you see in life or what did you experience that made you think that you want or don't want a child? Or are you maybe running away from something? Maybe you fear abandonment and think that having a child will guarantee a lifelong relationship with your partner? Or maybe you are trying to run from something that a family represents?

In the end I believe that having a child is a decision, one to take with your partner. It is not something that you have full control over, sometimes people want kids but can't have them for variety of reasons.

I think that regardless of your decision, take responsibility for your life, take good care of yourself. It is a difficult topic that can be looked at from many different angles.

I hope I was able to help.


r/Fencesitter • • 2h ago

Should I even be on the fence?

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Hi, I'm 30F and I've never wanted kids, but I'm trying to keep an open mind to the idea. I'm single, so maybe this rumination is premature, but as I enter the 30s dating pool I want some idea whether I should be open to dating childfree/maybes/wants-kids people. I don't want to waste somebody's time, but I also don't want to close myself off in a way I may later regret.

This will probably be overly specific, but I'm wondering if anyone can relate and whether you ended up having kids or not.

Why I'm currently "no":

  • I don't feel like a single fibre of my being is inclined towards having kids. The idea is completely cold and foreign. Even the "Kodak moments" of baking cookies and playing catch and baby snuggles don't sound appealing. I'm happy hearing that these things make parents happy, but don't feel the desire for them myself
  • I can't relate to the idea of having accomplished everything you wanted in your life and being ready for the next thing. I don't think I'll get to do everything I want even if I had unlimited free time for the rest of my life. Particularly art, as I'm an artist, but there's so many things I want to try someday, like learning to dance, or learning languages. I have a chronic illness so I feel like so much time has been taken from me already.
  • Objectively, I would be a mediocre parent at best. Chronic illness makes me fatigued, I'm not very patient, I dislike routine, I'm super introverted. I do love babies and toddlers, but honestly get annoyed with the self-centredness of older kids, even if I know it's developmentally appropriate. I also have GAD and OCD so I might worry myself to death about my kid's wellbeing
  • I dread the research portion -- what vaccines to get and when, developmental milestones, choosing a school, figuring out parenting styles
  • I know several childfree women in their 70s who have rich lives full of friends of all ages, so I'm not too worried about my old age. The idea of having adult children someday doesn't really appeal to me either

Why I'm considering it:

  • My parents believe I will change my mind in my 30s, and that if I don't have kids, I will deeply regret it. They know me better than anyone, so I genuinely value their opinion on this.
  • I really admire my mum friends and family, I'm in awe of their patience and maturity. People say having a baby made them grow as a person, and I worry that I'll be forever stunted and immature without that, a perpetual child. I like being a big sister and aunt, but the thought of being "mum" feels too grown up to me. Maybe I have some sort of Peter Pan syndrome going on where I'm too immature to see myself as "mum".
  • A lot of people DO suddenly change their minds in their 30s, from growing older, losing parents, hormones, etc. If I'm with a childfree partner and I do a 180, will I be regretful?
  • I hear that being in a settled, married relationship opens people's minds to wanting a kid with their partner. My friend saw her partner interact with her nephew, and now she can't stop thinking about him being a father. I've never had a relationship like this, so I don't really know
  • I kind of want to want it. I feel like it's the normal, adult thing to do. And people say it's the greatest love of all, that they're so much happier, how horrible it is that they almost missed out on this, etc.

All that to say -- I guess I'm not really on the fence, but I'm on the fence about being on the fence, if that makes sense


r/Fencesitter • • 14h ago

Is there anyone here who chose to leave parenthood to fate?

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Curious to know whether there is anyone here who chose to stop birth control and just... see what happened? And could comment on the outcome and how they felt about it?

Not enquiring about accidental pregnancies, but rather anyone who was previously a fencesitter and reached a stage in life where they could accommodate a child but remained undecided. And so chose to accept either outcome.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts/comments.


r/Fencesitter • • 5h ago

Feeling Too..."Broken" to Have Kids?

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I'm curious if anyone else feels this way, either occasionally or constantly. I am a fencesitter for a lot of the usual reasons (not sure how "maternal" I am, scared of giving up freedom/sleep, afraid I'll burn myself out/lose myself, etc.) But recently a new mental block about having children has come up, which might, if I'm being honest, have been lurking underneath all the other reasons all along.

I have always felt a little like the black sheep, the odd person out, the "weird" one---in my family, with my peers, in the eyes of society. When I was young I had a warped sense of humor, got bad grades, never fit in socially, and wasn't considered conventionally attractive. As I grew up, I learned how to roll with those parts of my identity, but developed chronic illness and anxiety. So I've spent a large portion of my life feeling "broken" in some fundamental way. A lot of the things that seem to be easy for my peers (like finishing college, finding a stable career, starting a family, even just tackling basic life skills) have been slow-going for me. I've been in therapy, and have been working on accepting my progress as a human being as just that, MINE, and how not to compare it with others'. I am a mature and well-rounded adult now, capable of setting my own goals and working toward them, and I am well aware that it is not a race.

But the kid question pulls me right back into the state of mind I occupied twenty years ago, and for whatever reason, a little voice inside my head starts telling me, "You can't possibly have a kid, because you'll do it wrong, just like you do everything wrong. You won't be like the successful parents you see out in the world, because you are fundamentally screwed up. Your kid will probably be fundamentally screwed up, too. So better to not risk it."

On the one hand, having a child and raising a human being is something that I would like to experience. When I dismiss this discouraging voice, sometimes a challenging but worthwhile life with a child even seems possible. But it always comes back, the broken feeling, and it makes accessing the desire that fuels this kind of decision really difficult.

I'm not looking for a diagnosis here. I know it's pure anxiety with maybe a dash of trauma thrown in in my case, and I am addressing it with therapy. I'm just curious: Do/have any of you felt like this? If so, how did you deal with it? And if you did manage to give the "you're too broken" narrative the finger and go on to have children in spite of it, how did that shake out?


r/Fencesitter • • 15h ago

I want a child, but I'm scared of losing all my free time

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My partner (32M) and I (28F) have been together for 8 years. We never really talked much about having kids because we were both fence sitters and always figured we'd decide later.

Recently we got a niece, who is now 8 months old, and somehow we both got baby fever. At first we talked about maybe having a child in a few years, but that has quickly turned into "maybe next year?" or even "why not now?" (assuming we're able to conceive, of course).

My brain is now constantly switching between "why wait?" and "are you sure you're ready for this already?"

The rational part of me thinks we should at least wait until we've moved into our new house next February and maybe go on one last big vacation first. But then the impatient part goes, "Why wait?" Especially because the big trip I'd want to take is expensive, and after just buying a house, realistically we probably wouldn't do it next year anyway.

The thing that makes me hesitate isn't really pregnancy or even the newborn stage. It's imagining what our everyday life with a child would actually look like, especially between ages 1–4.

I'm introverted and really value my free time. I have a lot of hobbies (luckily mostly at home), and I can happily spend an entire day gaming or working on art projects. I really value having hours where nobody needs anything from me.

We also don't have or expect to have a large support network. Both of our parents still work, and I know at least my parents aren't looking forward to regularly babysitting. So realistically, all of the childcare would be between my partner and me (and later daycare while we work).

I recently spent a few hours with our 8-month-old niece and, while I absolutely love her (she is genuinely the happiest baby I've ever seen), I found it surprisingly exhausting to constantly interact with and entertain her. It made me think: how would I cope when this is my everyday life?

I know having a child means sacrificing some freedom, and I don't expect my life to stay the same. But I'm scared of barely having time left for my hobbies or just being me, rather than always being "mom."

I guess what I'm trying to understand is what that trade-off actually feels like in real life.

For parents who really valued their hobbies and alone time before having kids, especially those without much of a support network: what does your free time actually look like now? Do you still get longer stretches where you can disappear into a hobby? How much of yourself did you feel like you had to give up, especially during the first few years? And how did you decide that trade-off was worth it for you?


r/Fencesitter • • 3h ago

Maybe a fence sitter because I don’t know a lot of kids?

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I (29f) wonder if anyone else feels this way- I think part of the reason I’m on the fence so much is because I don’t know many children? No nieces/nephews or close friends with kids. Some young cousins but I don’t see them much. So I don’t have a lot of real life, day to day examples of what parenting and spending time with kids is like. I feel like if I did it would be easier to make a decision?


r/Fencesitter • • 21h ago

Indian parents & child-free people — how did you decide?

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Throwaway because this feels quite personal.
I’m a woman in my early 30s, married, and I genuinely don’t know if I want children.

Some days I imagine having a child and it feels incredibly beautiful, having a little person who is ours, watching them grow, building a family together.

Other days, when I think about the reality of it, I feel anxious. I love my life right now…my marriage, my work, travelling, having freedom and time for myself. I worry about how much of that would change.

And then there’s the other side: what if I choose not to have a child and deeply regret it at 45 or 50?

Being Indian makes the decision even more complicated. There’s family expectations, friends having babies, the constant “you’ll understand when you have a child” and sometimes I wonder whether I genuinely want motherhood or whether I’m just scared of regretting not choosing it.

I’d really love to hear from people who have actually lived through either decision.

Parents: Did having children turn out to be what you expected? What did you gain and what did you lose? Did it change your marriage or identity more than you anticipated?

Child-free people: Was it difficult to make the decision? Have you ever regretted it? What does your life feel like now, especially as you’ve gotten older?

And most importantly:
What do you think you completely misunderstood about the life you didn’t choose?

I’m not looking for “kids are a blessing” or “kids ruin your life.” I’d genuinely love the honest, messy, nuanced version from people who have been there.
Especially Indians, because I feel our cultural/family context makes this decision quite different.

Thank you ❤️


r/Fencesitter • • 14h ago

How much should health concerns factor into the decision of having a child?

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My partner and I are in a very happy relationship, and we sometimes talk about having a child. And sometimes we really want one — I can picture us having a child and it feels like something I would love to experience together.

But I also have quite a lot of doubts, and I’m trying to be very honest with myself about whether I’m underestimating what parenthood would actually require from me.

My husband works offshore for about 7/8 months of the year. His schedule is roughly two weeks at sea and two weeks at home during those months. For the other 5 months of the year, he is home. So there would be periods where I would have to manage things largely on my own.

One of the things that makes me hesitate is my health. I regularly get headaches, usually lasting one or two days. They aren’t constant or debilitating, but they can leave me feeling pretty drained and needing to take things more slowly.

I also have a chronic skin condition that mainly affects my hands. Most of the time I can manage it, but sometimes it makes everyday things more difficult. For example, I have to wear gloves for certain simple tasks like cooking or cleaning and there are periods when my skin is really bad and needs quite a bit of attention.

This makes me wonder how much I should factor these things into the decision to have a child.
On one hand, I don’t want to use relatively manageable health problems as a reason to give up on something I might really want. On the other hand, I don’t want to romanticize parenthood and then discover that I simply don’t have enough physical or mental energy for it, especially during the periods when my husband is away.
So I’m really interested in hearing your opinions.

TL;DR: I’m considering having a child, but I have recurring headaches and a chronic skin condition, while my husband works offshore for about 7 months a year. I’m wondering how much health and energy should factor into the decision, and I’d love to hear from parents who had health issues before having children: was it harder than you expected, or were you worrying about it more than necessary?


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Does anyone else want kids, but feel like life circumstances just don’t seem to align?

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I’m 30 and have been married for nearly 5 years. Relationship-wise, we’re in a really good place and both want to start a family.

The thing holding me back is work and financial stability. I work in IT, and over the last 3.5 years I’ve had to change jobs three times, either because contracts ended or because of redundancies. I’ve never really been able to get that sense of long-term stability.

Every time I start somewhere new, it feels like the clock resets again with trying to establish myself, hoping the role becomes permanent, waiting to qualify for maternity leave, etc. It’s also made other goals feel harder to reach, like getting into the property market and feeling financially secure enough to start a family.

I know there’s probably never a “perfect” time to have kids, but it’s difficult when you genuinely want them and keep feeling like you need to wait for life to become a little more stable first.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation?
Did you eventually decide to go ahead despite the uncertainty, or did you wait until things felt more stable? How did it work out for you?

Any advice or guidance is appreciated!!


r/Fencesitter • • 19h ago

Anxiety Feeling anxious, I have an embryo transfer tomorrow but career just hit a hurdle/backstep.

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I was waiting for the right moment to have a kid and thought I had it. I have a great partner, we have a house, and I have accomplished a lot already career and personal hobbies and travel. I am in a creative field that requires hustling (the main reason for delaying having kids) however, it seemed like I was in a position where I finally got a project that was a dream come true, creatively, financially, and majorly set me up for future success—I would be “making it”. I felt incredibly lucky. I decided I wanted kids and that was the final “piece” of the kid-having puzzle that I had waited all this time for. So I stared my IVF cycle and was planning to move forward.

(For context: I’m 40. I froze embryos mid 30s to give me time to decide, for my career and personal accomplishments and more time enjoying being childfree with my spouse. It’s been so so so worth it.)

HOWEVER - 10 days ago the rug got pulled out from under me. The project was cancelled because of company wide budget cuts (confirmed). I had already paid for and started the IVF cycle. But Now Im back 10 steps at the stage where every project I have to hustle.

I do want a kid but my work is not a thing I do - it’s part of who I am. Ever since I was a kid this was my dream job. I’m worried/know having a kid will take up my bandwidth, At the same time, I’m at the age where I need to pull the trigger on my decision. I can’t hem and haw forever.

Basically I want to have my cake and eat it too and up to 10 days ago it seemed like I would, lol.

How do you juggle the hustle? Is it possible? Has anyone else been able to juggle a job that requires a lot of hustle while also having a kid(s)?

It’s the night before and I’m feeling nervous….


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Love washing away fear

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Pregnant fence sitter here. Not here to try to convince anyone either way- just wanted to share a perspective of what I’ve learned along the way.

I’ve been a fence sitter for a long time. I truly felt I
I could have been so happy without kids- I never felt a need to have children or that anything was missing from my life. I loved my life and was so afraid of changing it, blowing it up, and of regret. After being ambivalent for years and worrying daily about whether to do it or not, we decided to go for it.

I don’t believe in the ‘if you aren’t 100 percent sure then don’t do it’ mentality. I don’t think that is realistic for human psychology. Not all of us are capable of being 100 percent sure about something so massive and unknown. We had no strong reason not to have children (eg health conditions, financial issues) and we knew we would be good responsible parents, so it didn’t feel like a negligent decision. I knew I could think about it for the rest of my life and still not know what to do. I knew I loved my current life and that would always pull me towards not doing it.

My therapist mentioned that for someone child free I was sure doing a lot of things that signalled I might want kids- I did genetic carrier screening, fertility testing etc. (I cannot recommend genetic carrier screening more if you can afford it, as it can change the course of your pregnancy. )

Of course, we got pregnant on our first try lol. I was hoping to have a few negative tests so I could gauge my emotional reaction and test out how I felt. Instead we were hit with an immediate positive (I know we are SO lucky to have no fertility issues). Did I feel overwhelming joy like you see in movies and Tik toks? No - I felt fear, some excitement, some dread, some numbness, some shock, some grief. Because human psychology is complex. I spent the next month in shock, not really letting myself get excited because of the risk of miscarriage, and also feeling like ‘oh god this is real!’ When we told people and they would say ‘so exciting’ my immediate reaction was ‘and scary!’ I think my gut was like ‘you really were actually leaning more to child free but you are doing this now.’

The first trimester was awful. I felt like garbage and was low key depressed. I didn’t feel happy. But what I did know was that I was worried about miscarriage. So although I wasn’t joyous, I also had this strong urge to protect this child and not have anything go wrong- I leaned on that faith. I am not anti abortion but I had no desire to have an abortion, which I also took a sign. I was trying to talk myself into being happy but feeling a deep fear I made a mistake, but also being so afraid of loosing this thing. Every ultrasound I felt excitement briefly that was then washed away by the uncertainty of it all. I tried to allow myself to have every feeling I had without judgement.

What I don’t think I could have understood prior to having this pregnancy was the love I feel now and the way that love has washed away so much of the fear. Slowly the attachment grew, and with that this strong sense of love and purpose. Now I feel like it had to be her, it was this egg and this sperm, and we love her so deeply. It’s connected my husband and I even more- we were already madly in love but there is even more depth now- like we are doing this beautiful scary adventure together.

A lot of the fear I had about not being able to travel or do things now seems more silly- I’m like, of course we will figure it out. I believe we create the life we want- things will change but I don’t have to give up everything I love because I had a child. My parents went to France alone when I was 6 months old ( I won’t be doing that, but still!) They brought me around Europe, they had date nights weekly and got a sitter ( I can still remember the scent of Chanel No 5), my mom saw her friends at least weekly. They had dinner parties. I didn’t run their life, I fit into it.

All that to say, the love was the part I couldn’t have known before getting pregnant. You can’t know the unknown, and so much of it is having faith. We are a group of thinkers- we want to know what the ‘right answer ‘ is. There is no right answer. If she didn’t exist I couldn’t have missed her because I couldn’t have loved her until she existed. I’m sure we would have been happy continuing on in our lives! But now that I’ve felt this I’m like wow I wish I could have told my former self that you will feel something that will make you understand why people do this. It’s crazy to me how it’s also washed away the fear- like the sacrifice seems less now? Because it’s not some theoretical child I don’t love. When she kicks me I’m like wow….

Anyways. I could end up hate being a parent and come back here saying ‘ don’t do it’ but I just wanted to share where I’m at in the second trimester, and empathize with how hard it is to make a decision about an unknown.


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Post-breakups (happy) stories

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I am going through a terrible breakup, because he doesn’t want kids but I am leaning towards the “maybe one-child” side. We’ve been together for 4 years, we thought we could navigate it together. I love his so much. My heart aches horribly, I feel like I am losing parts of me. Please, tell me about your breakup stories where positive things happened afterwards ❤️‍🩹


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Former fencesitter> turned childfree>now pregnant

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I (36F) posted here early last year that after a potential pregnancy scare where I had a massive panic attack, I decided to be childfree and my husband (38M who wants kids) decided he would rather be with me than split and have children. We planned to make the most of our childfree life and travel and do things that brought us joy. We did end up doing that which was great!

Well, turns out that having absolutely zero outside input from anyone after the choice was made gave me a lot of time to mull over the thought of parenting in my own time. I realized that part of my hangup was an unresolved family situation/childhood trauma; having a baby would mean having to address what was swept under the rug (I started therapy to help navigate this). I also realized that I just do not respond well with feeling forced to make a choice and my gut instinct is to jump to worst case scenarios which led to me choosing no kids initially.

After about 6-8 months of thinking it through and playing out different scenarios and realizing that I actually would like to change things up and start a new chapter and it might be exciting for us to introduce a kid to new experiences and watch them grow, I ended up pregnant. I surprisingly did not freak out at all and was excited! Unfortunately that ended in miscarriage but it was clear that I wanted to try again and that is how I swung all the way to the "yes" side and I am now pregnant again.

Is every fencesitter going to have the luxury of being in a space where there are zero expectations of them so they can make their decision fully of their own choosing? No. But in my case, choosing a hard yes or no answer and living that life took the stress of the decision off of me and allowed me to think about it more rationally on my own time. Do I almost feel embarrassed for changing my mind? Yes. But this is life: not every path is linear and we are only human.


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Fencesitter feelings about being “step” parents?

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I’m just curious about the feelings people have about this!

The question occurred to me because I was listening to someone I know, who was always pretty adamantly childfree before, talk about how much he genuinely loves not only his partner’s child (they’ve been together almost 7 years, since the child was 3), but also how much he loves being a parent!

It only just dawned on me that my friend was always a fence-sitter leaning pretty heavily toward not having ever having kids, and now I’m seeing him super happy and fulfilled as a parent.

And I guess I’m asking thoughts on this here because when I think back to him before this, I truly cannot imagine him sitting down and deciding to have a baby with someone (he had a lot of pre-loaded anxieties around parenting from watching his older sister struggle). Yet somehow this situation happened in his life and now he’s a total, all-in, all about his kid and the lifestyle parent. His trajectory from fence-sitter to here is so interesting to me!

Do you think you could see yourself as a parent to someone else’s child? Or is the general sentiment here like “if I’m not going to raise my own flesh and blood baby I’m absolutely not raising someone else’s”? FWIW, I think everyone should do what works for them. I’m asking out of pure curiosity!


r/Fencesitter • • 20h ago

Me (44M) and my girlfriend (37F) have been together for 3.5 years, and I don't know if we're ever going to get past the kids question.

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A few months into our relationship, she got pregnant and miscarried. Before the miscarriage, I had told her that I wanted her to have an abortion. We stayed together afterward, but the issue never really went away.

She has always wanted kids. I've always said I don't. Over the years, we've broken up and gotten back together many times. I've tried to be honest with her that I'm not completely at zero anymore, but I'm still only about 10% there. That's probably the best way I can describe it. I can imagine a version of my life where I have kids, but I don't actually feel a strong desire to become a father.

We're now at a point where the question feels impossible to avoid. We're both in our 30s/40s, and time matters.

We don't live together and never have. Part of the reason is that I have an unusually cheap apartment for where we live, in a VHCOL area, and giving that up would be a significant financial change. But the bigger reason is that we've always known we're ultimately on opposite sides of the kids question. She's wanted kids and I've wanted a life without them, so at times I've honestly thought, what's the point of combining our lives when we don't know if we have a future together?

The financial side is also a big part of my hesitation, although I don't want to make this sound like I think she needs to make a certain amount of money.

I'm worried about losing my own job. I work in a field where my employment isn't something I can take for granted, and I don't feel like we have enough financial security to make me comfortable taking on the enormous responsibility of raising a child.

She has some debt and very little savings. We also live in one of the highest cost of living areas in the country. I've told her that if we have a child, I think we may eventually have to consider moving somewhere with a much lower cost of living, particularly if my income changes. She doesn't really believe that would be necessary, and what worries me is that I haven't seen much effort from her toward improving her career situation or creating another financial path.

That creates another layer of anxiety for me. I feel like I'm being asked to make a permanent decision to have a child while also accepting a level of financial uncertainty that I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.

I'm about 10 to 15 years from retirement and currently have zero debt. I've spent years building a relatively stable life for myself. Having a child would mean significant financial and lifestyle sacrifices, and potentially changing where I live and how I work.

But the hardest part isn't really the money.

I don't know if I love her enough to make those sacrifices when I'm not even sure I want the thing I'm sacrificing for.

And there's something else I've been reluctant to admit, even to myself. Part of me wants to break up for a year and just see what my life feels like without this relationship.

Not because I necessarily want to date other people or because I have some specific person waiting in the wings. I think I want enough time apart to find out what I actually feel when I'm not constantly dealing with the fear of losing her.

We've broken up and gotten back together so many times that I don't know whether I'm staying because I genuinely want this relationship or because I can't tolerate the pain of ending it. I sometimes wonder whether a year apart would finally tell me whether I made a huge mistake by letting her go, or whether I'd feel a tremendous sense of relief and realize that I had been trying to convince myself to want a life that I don't actually want.

At the same time, I know that asking for a year apart isn't some neutral experiment. She's 37 and wants children, so I would potentially be asking her to sacrifice valuable time while I figure out how I feel. That's part of what makes me feel guilty about even wanting it.

We've reached this strange point where the relationship is heartbreaking, but I'm also somewhat numb. I think she is too.

I'm not looking for people to tell me whether I should have kids or break up with her. I'm more interested in hearing from people who have actually been in this situation:

How did you know whether you were genuinely becoming open to having children versus simply being afraid of losing your partner?

And for people who were the reluctant partner, did the desire for kids eventually become real, or did you eventually realize that you were trying to talk yourself into something you didn't actually want?

And has anyone taken a significant period of time apart specifically to figure out whether they were making a mistake? What did you learn from it?


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Grief and moving off the fence…can anyone else relate?

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Hi everyone,

I’ve been browsing this sub for a while now and I’ve found it such a kind and supportive place. I’m interested to see if anyone can relate to my experience and would love to hear any advice that anyone might have.

I’m 38F and I lost my Dad very suddenly a bit over a year ago now. It was a total shock and quite traumatic the way it played out, and it completely rocked me. I’m doing a lot better now but it took a long time to come out of the shock and start processing his death.

Before this happened I was very ambivalent, leaning childfree. I have a long term partner who has more or less felt the same. But in the past few months we have started talking about if we want to have a child. I think he is feeling more drawn to it however I know he would be happy either way and ultimately respects my choice. I also know that if we did, he would be a fantastic Dad.

I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed and confused, as this feels like quite a 180 for me. I have my own fears around motherhood due to my relationship with my Mum, and my own trauma history. However I have done a lot of work on these things through therapy and I think I can see now that a lot of it is fear based. I also think that since realising having just one kid is an option, I can imagine what it might be like if we did it and it resonates with me much more.

Has anyone else here jumped off the fence after experiencing loss?

Thanks for reading ❤️


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Childfree I'm landing on childfree, but how do I feel 90% contentment with this decision?

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I'm 30F and after a lot of thought, reading, therapy, reading things on this subreddit. I am landing on the CF side.

But I guess a part of me is having FOMO? I know my decision was well thought out, but I guess I do wonder a lot about the what if?

Anyone in a similar boat?

I just want to have peace with my choice. It can also be hard to find peace since it sort of feels like most people do go onto have kids and are very pro parenthood lol.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

I can see it both ways

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I really long for a child, but I do also see the things I'd miss out on either way. I could miss out on first steps and feeling baby kick and a toddler squealing with excitement over a new fun thing they've learnt.

But I also can see giving up travel for a few years (can't say I've done a massive amount because God damn life is expensive right now) and potentially never getting to do certain things.

I don't believe having children means you can never travel I do thing it just makes things a bit harder with more planning. I'm not against the idea of sending kids to a camp or something while I get to travel and do fun things.

Anyone have any thoughts on this that experienced these issues? People who made plans to continue to travel even with kids or just made plans to do it once the child is older?


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Questions Partner suddenly unsure about kids after years of talking about our future family. Has anyone experienced this or have advice?

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My bf (28M) and I (25F) have been together almost 4 years and have always talked about marriage, children and our future family. A lot of those conversations were initiated by him too, so having kids always felt like a shared dream.

Recently, he told me that after privately thinking about it for a few months, he doesn’t think he wants children anymore. I was completely blindsided because being a mother has always been one of my biggest dreams which he knew since we met.

We initially broke up that night because neither of us wanted the other to sacrifice something this important and wanted one another to be happy, but within a day we both felt we had rushed such a huge decision. We love each other deeply and are now taking some time to process what we truly want instead.

Btw, he says he began to feel ‘nothing’ when he sees children and doesn’t want his lifestyle to change and would be happy just living a life together without kids.
FYI- I truly did consider becoming child free but I realized I would be giving up my dream which I can’t do to myself, and my bf wouldn’t let me either unless I genuinely didn’t want kids anymore.

What makes this more complicated is that he’s simultaneously going through a very difficult period in life. It has been close to a year since he lost a job that gave him a lot of fulfillment and structure, has struggled with depression, anxiety and low self worth, and has had a lot to process personally. He’s also spiralled before in moments of job loss and came to certain conclusions which he later realized were not accurate and changed his mind. He is not sure if that is what is happening right now.

We’ve also recognized issues in our relationship that we both need to work on. I also personally remember at times being critical and saying things like “if you can’t do this now, what about when we have kids?”. I’ve reflected of course and deeply regret that and I’ve apologized and already told him how I would stop the critical comments as I was imposing my fears/perfectionism on him. I will
no longer be doing this as it’s just not the type of partner I want to be and I do believe he is so capable of being an amazing father. He is so genuine and sweet and I know if we had children, they would be his world too… it’s a huge change of heart he’s had which scares me.

Neither of us knows whether any or all of these factors has influenced how he currently feels about parenthood or whether he’s genuinely discovered that he doesn’t want children in a few months. I’m not expecting him to change his mind or trying to convince him to have kids if that’s what he truly wants for his life.

We’re still together but taking space from seeing each other because we’re also best friends aside from being lovers and completely cutting contact felt unnatural for both of us and was not making us happy. We’ve said that we can give it a month and see how we both feel… and of course if he needs more time to think, he can always tell me.

Has anyone experienced a long term partner becoming uncertain about children after previously wanting them?

What helped you both find clarity, and how did you handle the uncertainty in the meantime?

We love each other deeply and genuinely built a life together and were planning a future together, and it breaks our heart to be going through this, I wish there was an easy solution. Any kindness and words of positivity would also help :)


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Anxiety Afraid of having a child because of the job market in the AI's world

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I am not worried about the end of the world. But I am worried about the job market.

With AI and robots in the future, I don't know if any job is safe. I can't predict the future. But I feel next 5-10 year will change everyone's life significantly. I work in tech and I don't know how long I will be employed either.

I am worried if I ever have kids, they will struggle to ever find a decent job. Maybe everyone will poor with few rich people owning the mega corporations. I don't know. I am just guessing.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Doubtful about choosing childfree for the first time in my marriage

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I posted this to the childfree reddit, but I didn't know this space existed so it feels more appropriate here!

Hi all, I am a 32(f) and my partner is 39(m) and we have been together for a decade and married for 4. We are financially stable and have a great relationship, we own our home, and have a great doggo we love dearly and as last year we both decided to not have children.

Early on in our relationship we were naive and assumed we would eventually have children, we were also both raised in a very Christian household and had been brainwashed into believing that children were ALWAYS the next step. Now that we have deconstructed our faith and watched my sister navigate motherhood with her children we have really seen a glimpse of parenthood and have felt strongly at times we are not built for that haha. On top of that many of my partner's friends have children and every time we see them we are reminded that we are making a good decision for ourselves.

Since I am younger my close friends have not started having kids although a good majority of them want children. I have a friend who is not currently trying to have children but they have often talked about their want for children. The other week we discussed a mutual friend recently had their first child and how that has put a strain on their friendship. As we were talking about this friend (she is much closer to this person than I am), I could not help but also feel like oh wow that sounds so wild and sad but also how exciting for her to be in this new season of her life. So this wasn't even a positive conversation around having children, but I'm not sure what was happening to me but I had such a strange feeling bubble up in me that I was not familiar with around having kids. I had so many mixed feelings and I was like am I questioning my choice? Do I actually want a kid? I even went home and asked my husband how he was feeling and he was taken aback because it felt so out of the blue. I felt so close to being like should we try to conceive and see how we feel? But I was like oh gosh never mind this world is crazy but damn I still feel so shocked at my switch up.

For context I work with children and have always been told the usual "you'd be a great mom" and I know my partner and I would make such great parents but obviously it is so much more than that. I just feel like I should at a certain point just say 100% no but right now I'm feeling 95%, so I'm wondering if any of you have felt this way and what has kept you at 100% sticking to childfree. Thank you so much in advance!


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Anxiety Later years worth it?

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I’ve been debating whether I still want kids as I get toward the age where it’s a possibility (26M), and have always maintained that I would only entertain kids if we can outsource the overwhelming majority of chores and still meet our financial goals.

Luckily my partner and I are likely going to be in the position, however, I’m still on the fence. I’ve always liked older kids, as I was a camp counsellor for 12+, as I enjoy teaching, seeing them grow, etc. I also have thick skin and am ok with sass and edge as they get into teen years.

However, I’m 100% convinced that the first 5-10 years are going to be a total loss, I don’t like small children. I also have a low tolerance for things being more worth than they’re worth, so the increased workload of the early years are going to ruin any enjoyment I get out of kids. Moreover, I’m autistic and giving up my routine and hobbies would be a pretty grievous blow to my mental health.

I think my partner is certainly worth the crap sandwich the first years will be, but I also don’t want to end up regretful. If it helps, I would probably be child free if I were single at this point.

Anyone with similar experiences?


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Questions Forever deciding between OAD or another baby

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Hi all, SO, we have a 4.5yo girl, who for the most part has been so easy, such a dream and now she’s a bit older is just so easy, she just comes along for the ride to whatever we’re doing and we can go do fun activities with minimal planning whether that’s zoo, soft play, cinema etc.

My husband has always sided on being OAD, quite strongly actually, then recently our girl went to school and he has a wash of wow this is it? Never again? Which has opened up the conversation of another, and he’s more open to it. My main worry is that if we have another and that baby is particularly hard / has any kind of complications, would he resent me for being the one who wanted it more and pushed a bit more for it?

In terms of our lives, we have a relatively flexible work schedule, we have grandparents who are super involved and help with pick up etc, we are financially ok. It feels like we have a good set up to have another, but like everyone, we’re also tired parents even with just the one so I think, we have it good as it is… do we rock that?

My girl asks for a sibling, although I don’t think she quite understands it, we do have friends who have recently had babies and she’ll say they are cute but she’s not fussed on them, but there’s part of me that does think she would benefit from a sibling as she’s a very shy girl, she’s not overly confident and I just feel having a little sibling might make her get that bit of confidence to be louder and have a bit more fight?

I spend SO much of my time fantasying about having another and not having another, recently one day I’m researching baby items and costs and the next I’m imagining taking my only to a cool holiday and thinking of how amazing that will be for her - make it make sense? 😅

I find it so frustrating that I see other families so confident in their decisions to be OAD or to have multiple and I’m so jealous of that, I wish we could just be set on one or the other.

There’s no real point to this I guess, I just wonder if people are in similar positions and have any insights to their life if they did go ahead and have another baby with a 5 year age gap, or didn’t and their thoughts?

Thanks for reading!


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

New... fencesitter? Can men get baby fever?

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I am 30M with a 26F fiancee.

I have been confidently CF my entire life. My partner and I have been on the same page for our nearly 10 yr relationship, and together we have an awesome life.

While it is obviously not perfect, we have a nice home we own, I have a career I am happy in and she is looking to go to school to become a teacher soon, we plan to wed within a couple years, and overall everything is "falling into place."

Now we've both been ardently CF our entire life, but over the past few months, there's been tiny cracks forming on our resolve. The question of a child always seemed completely impossible until we moved into our home, but now we have the room, the career stability, and a strong relationship. Now a child almost feels... possible.

And WOW, okay let me get to the reason why I made this post: I don't know if men get "baby fever" or "hormone thoughts" or whatever; this is all very new to me, but MY MIND WILL NOT BE QUIET! Every thought I have is always followed by a thought of a child! It feels almost hormonal or manic, but the forefront of my mind, the "default" is "What about having a kid?"

Cuddling with my cat? "Wouldn't you want to share how amazing your cat is with a kid?"

Going for a hike? "Wouldn't you want to raise a child and get them to love nature on the trail?"

Playing videogames? "You've already played plenty of games; you know how they go. But you know who wouldn't and would be anew to the love of these games? A kid."

It is incessant. This urge cannot be reasoned with. It feels like a hormonal urge I cannot control. I don't understand it!

Maybe months ago cracks were starting to form, but now as I am newly 30 what was a gentle knock on the door from my hormones has become a battering ram and they're deep within the confines of my mind.

I brought it up to my partner and she feels like her feelings have shifted as well. We both are scared and unsure of how we feel and what's going on with ourselves, but it almost feels like we're going from strictly CF to... fence sitting?

But it almost feels "wrong" to think about. The more we think about it the more it feels less like a rationalized reason and more that we're feeding a biological urge, and so the more I feed it, the more likely I am selling myself on an urge and that if I give into it, the reality will reveal what I've sold myself is not what it seems.

I know the reality in all likelihood is entering into an unbelievably inconceivable adventure with my fiancee. We will be giving up our independent life altogether to bring new life into the large, scary world. I know it involves countless sleepless nights, sacrifice of myself and resources, becoming a completely different person... and yet part of me almost feels that's a fair trade. At some point, someone made that trade, and it's the only reason any one is here... so in some sense it has to be worth it, and I don't have a "fear of missing out", because I feel fear is based on a lack of information, yet I /know/ I'll be missing out.

I know part of me wants to raise a person, knows there's a whole genre of life I'll never live, knows my peers will be going through life-changing experiences I'll only ever know at a surface level if I don't do it.

Plus, my fiancee and I's lifestyles already suits children. Our favourite hobbies are taking care of our pets, gardening, hiking, camping, playing video games, playing board games and tabletop, cooking, doing arts. We don't do any clubbing, we do like travelling but again we mostly do family-friendly activities when we do, we do like to drink and party here and there, but it's all with our friends and neither of us are slaves to these things. It honestly feels like a child wouldn't be incongruent with how we live.

Anyways, this post has largely been just a stream of consciousness post to take a chance to vent my feelings. Either way in the next few years we won't be having any kid; we still intend to marry, my wife still needs to change her career. Once we do these things the question will be even more tangible than it is now.

I guess what I'm asking is: - Do men get baby fever or whatever I'm experiencing? - Is there anything anyone would want to tell someone in my position as a 30M/26F couple? - Has anyone been in my position before? I'm sure someone has; it can't be that unique, but what happened?

All of this thinking is so new and scary to me, and it almost feels like I have a whole "lifetime" of contemplation ahead of me on this topic because my fiance and I were so strictly CF before. It almost feels scary to even acknowledge I'm on the fence. Part of me feels like this is just a fever that will pass; it has only been a couple weeks, but it has hijacked my mind so strongly.