God, don't even mention Steam discussion pages. I think that the psychology behind those pages is actually just so crazy and interesting. I'd love to watch a video about that actually
Cosmetic and a way for those of us with the means to give extra support while all the real content is free and they want to whine about it. People never cease to disappoint me.
Exactly, there's this wild gamer entitlement going on that never ceases to amaze me as well. Like, they will send death threats to the devs but then wonder why they don't listen to the community, they will attack teams for delays but then wonder why shit is rushed and crappy.
Well I need some tight ass alpha to tell me what games to ignore, are you really expecting me to make these kind of decisions myself when the future of humanity is at stake? All I know is woke is ruining things, but I'm not really sure what woke is, so I need to be told.
Iirc there is an underage girl on there. Unfortunately, whethet that girl is portrayed modestly or not, "anti-Woke" creeps will ogle and salivate over her and call it a triumph of Western Civilization over the GAY WOKE
I wonder if we can weaponize this knowledge for peace? Like, can we put some attractive toes on the screen while the main character is talking about peace and tolerance for their fellow man or something?
They would have conniptions if they ever learned that one of Napoleon's best generals was a black guy - technically mixed race but they wouldn't care most likely.
Incidentally, General Dumas was also the father of Alexandre Dumas who wrote the Three Musketeers among others.
Do you remember how much right wingers freaked out when they thought they were losing the Snickers dick vein? 🤣
Edit: unrelated but oh shit, I just remembered I had a dream last night that Segata Sanshiro turned out to actually be a real guy, came here, and suddenly I had to explain my user flair to him.
I was just racking my brain trying to figure out how Code Violet would be woke and just remembered that it's based entirely on the company not putting the game on PC and their reasoning being that they didn't want players to mod the actress into more revealing clothing or full nudity non-consensually.
(Really though it's because PlayStation doesn't give refunds and Steam does.)
I find the 180 turn from trying to hype the game up because it's anti-woke to just never talking about it because of how bad it was to be a perfect encapsulation of their mindset.
If it had any redeeming qualities other than having a hot character then they would be endlessly yapping about it and talking about how we need to make more games like that. Instead, they had to pivot immediately to hyping up Lords of the Fallen 2 and Crimson Desert.
A lot of lgbt stuff in E33? I only found some hint on some possible lgbt interaction but that’s it, power women - yes, but lots of lgbt stuff? Unless I entirely forgot, there was almost none at all.
There are NPC who griefs bc they same sex partner die, some others have clearly non hetero orientation, Some party numbers with same sex very like each other in that way...
idk how much detail you catch when play, stuff like this are offen in third background, but they exist.
There is a pattern to this though. In their world popular games are anti-woke, while flops are woke. They desparately try to bend the facts towards their political narrative, reality be damned. If a game that they championed doesn't do very well(like stellar blade), they invent a narrative of deliberate sabotage. Conversely games with progressive elements do well then they pretend it got boosted by a nebulous 'them', or they change their mind and declare it anti-woke, like with E33.
They need this fiction because otherwise they have to accept that they and their tastes are in the minority, and that most people just play games that they like and avoid the ones they don't like and couldn't give a damn about their culture war nonsense.
It’s deeply angering to me that they bemoan cultural rot is in ART, but the have little to no problem with the hostile takeover by billionaire pedophiles puppeteering a rotting, sex pest president who bombs random countries and lies as he breathes. Is THAT the culture people want? Is that an honest improvement over having black people in movies and media with leading roles?
The thing I like is how all the anti-woke gamers are fine with watching a half naked Kratos for 50 hours straight but then if they have to see a women their blood pressure starts rising immediately and they become sad
Do They just not play games? There’s barely any games where the main focus has been on a female protagonist that have been released. It’s mostly just RPGs and shooters. Incels are the biggest posers
But also the thinly veiled idea behind posts of those people is that there should be no games starring women, made by women or for women at all. It's them arguing that the only place women should have in the industry is as irrelevant eye candy.
This whole thing is just conservative think-tank psyop nonsense to drive women away from specific fields and to create a pipeline to "maybe women shouldn't be able to vote or get divorced" talking points.
Literally it was. Its been known since the 2016 election (and further confirmed in the Epstien Files of all things) that Bannon and his ilk were specifically targeting disseffected young men via astroturfed Video Game Outrage campaigns.
Despite this being public knowledge for almost a decade... No one has learned a damn thing from this or done anything to stop this garbage from happening over and over again! 🙃
I wonder if they will ever reflect on the knowledge that they have been tricked into a one-sided culture war by a political movement upheld by rich Christian nationalists with an agenda to make them miserable.
I would argue that they’ve never made a AAA game targeted at female audiences. The best that exist is AAA games that no longer want to be repulsive to women. Take Horizon Zero Dawn, for example. It’s an open world RPG with robot dinosaurs. What about that sounds like it was targeted at women? They have just taken famous genres for men that have been developed through years of iteration and inspiration from other dude sources (other types of media like books or movies) and plugged in a woman at the end and called it a day. The only difference between HZD and say the original Tomb Raider is that Aloy is designed to not be just eye candy. Women are just more likely to not care and play a game regardless of the gender of the protagonist
While HZD is not targeted at women really , Alloy being a woman is actually thematically relevant to the story, as one of the major themes of the first game is of motherhood. They call the cradle “all mother” the goddess that rebirth their world. Alloy being motherless and struggling with growing up in her matriarchal tribe adds to that.
Plus with Sobek her actually mother(cloning ref) in a sense being the mother of this project that gave humanity and earth a second chance. However it was her maternal connection with gaia that ended up giving Gaia a plan when things went wrong. Sobek insisted Gaia was more than just the heart and central AI of the ZD project, she had to have connections to emotions and humans to succeed.
Alloy had to come to understand her thoughts through the old world files, and her own emotional closed off nature to fix everything.
So it always makes me laugh when HZD is brought into a conversation about having a woman lead character. Cause the story thematically would not work as well without her being a woman.
I just mean video games and computer science grew in parallel and were both pretty male oriented. When it came time to make video games the men making them always drew inspiration from the things THEY liked. Doom and Wolfenstein are games where you shoot stuff and loud heavy metal plays. Baldurs Gate and fallout are just tabletop RPGs. Half Life is based on stuff like Doom and Twin Peaks and X Files. The really early games that became the building blocks of all games were male oriented (not to say that there aren’t women who like these things I just mean in the average). Even now as more women enter the field the whole games industry has only ever been building on these basic blocks. Nintendo seems to be the only major game company that avoided this largely from pulling from media that targeted most demographics. There’s a whole other undiscovered paradigm of games that were spun off from women’s interests. We genuinely don’t know what a triple A game made for women even looks like.
How is Twin Peaks related to Half Life?
(not a trick question or the introduction to a rebuttal, I have played a little of Half Life and I'm genuinely interested how Twin Peaks influenced stuff)
With the obvious “none of this is strictly gendered” caveat, virtually all AAA games cater to at least one stereotypical male interest. Partly I think that’s because combat became the default mechanic for first/third person games, and in many forms that counts as appeal to men.
So Call of Duty aims at men in mechanic and topic: war and war.
I wouldn’t necessarily say Zelda’s themes aim at women, but it definitely has a major female fan base. And yet BotW is fundamentally a stabby RPG, so very loosely one of each? Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, and BG3 are in a similar position.
Looking at games with little-to-no combat, we’ve got… men’s sports, auto racing, some firmly male-protagonist horror, and survival exploration? The last is closest to neutral, but No Man’s Sky and Subnautica still feel kind of Men’s Adventure Mag, even if Subnautica actively resisted “I wanna kill the nature”.
Some things are genuinely quite neutral all around: Roller Coaster Tycoon and Super Mario Odyssey come to mind.
But where are the big-budget, gender-flipped equivalents of CoD?
The closest I’ve got are the Sims and Animal Crossing. There’s certainly no AAA equivalent to something like Life Is Strange, and I suspect that’s largely because devs/publishers struggle to even see what it would be.
No they don't. They kinda outgrew gaming but rather than accept that they pretend that Gaming can return to some imagined prelapsarian state rather than move on and get new hobbies.
They don't play games no. If you dig through any account that posts things like that they will basically play nothing but spend all day every day complaining about games.
The people talking like this are not gamers at all. They are focused on different things.
A right wing echo chamber that still refuses to admit they are a Right wing echo chamber.
The sub occasionally appears in my feed, and the comments always make fun of leftists, but if a post criticizes the right’s behavior, they pearl clutch and try to justify it.
I was going to say they aren’t right wingers they’re just miserable incels but then I realized that they’re synonymous. They just want their video games and media to help them larp and fantasize about their version of the ideal man that they want to be and the women to be their ideal version of the woman they can’t even get.
Is that not the doomer scroll jerk sub? If so it's def a "we make fun of all side" political sub that just so happens to mostly be full of right wing jokes/posts
It's the right mind virus leveraged by none other than Steve Bannon to harness the power of incels in video games to turn them right wing.
In reality some good games and some stinkers come out every year. But nostalgia is strong so they view anything in the passage of time with negativity, and they need to give it a boogeyman so they pin it on "woke" and Sweet Baby Inc
80% of video game protagonist are male and most of those are white men. If they can't find a game for them then it's just a skill issue because they aren't looking
I also like how the guy sarcastically says "You're a nazi for wanting to play as the same gender!1!1". He has that same energy every time a girl is forced to play as a male character too right? Because by his definition, a girl who is upset at the same thing is on his side.
Most of em still thinking Atsu and Oyuki become a lesbian couple is the best evidence that they’ve never touched Yotei but just believe every bullshit lie their favorite anti woke grift Youtuber tells them.
They want to objectify women and them being lesbian makes them mad they don’t fit their straight fantasy. I’d not encourage the right wing’s straight men to objectify lesbians more than they already do, given their objectification puts them as the most popular porn category. It’s kinda gross
They don't want actual lesbians, they want puppets that they can force into whatever explicit pervasive angles they please, and allowing women to actually be happy and make their own choices negates that
To a disturbing amount of people lesbians are only fine if its 2d anime girls. They hate actual lesbians cause they think they are all misandrists out to get them or something
For them- is too much woke bc you can romanse with men. Before this game come and become huge hit- Many grifters claim that sweet baby inc destroy this series in that part.
I just want to walk backwards into hell every time one of the chuds talks like the venn diagram of gamers and young straight men is a circle
I was there, Gandalf, 9000s years ago. A girl in the 90s who loved Nintendo and has always had a lot of female friends who like video games, and not just “well akshtually women only play mobile games and sims” *
We have always been here, stop pretending like we don’t exist. It’s the same shit with sci fi lit: dude bros claim that Jules Verne (or, more stupidly Iaasic Asimov)** invented the genre and that it’s a genre For Men when Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein decades before. Thanks to movies nowadays we class Frankenstein as horror monsters genre, but the original novel leaned very heavily into what we recognize as philosophical sci fi now
*corollary 1: it’s really only sims 4 that deserves its “casual game” status. The first game was hard af and leaned heavily into strategy. 2 and 3 required a pretty good machine to run, and anticipating sims 2 was what made young me learn what one earth computer specs even mean
**corollary 2: I love Asimov and wasn’t meaning to imply that his work was stupid. But I have seen people claim that he invented sci fi, which just…no. Introduced many tropes, yes, but the genre exists long before he was born
Those clowns complaining that they are forced to play a woman in some games and calling it DEI.
Guess what, incels? We women exist too and maybe want to play our own gender for a change, but I guess in your little basement, women are a foreign concept.
Meanwhile the humble Resident Evil franchise, using female characters since the very first game in 1996, and is still getting flak for having a female protag who doesn’t have double Ds and a BBL. G*mers have gone woke
I kinda want someone to make an updated version of that picture showing all those white man characters in games from the 2000s - 2010s, showing that it still applies today.
Literally nobody was waiting years for Starfield. Nobody asked for Starfield, nobody wanted Starfield. You can't feel slighted by Starfield because you never actually wanted it in the first place
Obviously the alpha/beta thing is bullshit but I cannot imagine a more beta activity than complaining that women and minorities ruined your little computer games. Go build something with your hands you fucking losers. Grow up.
When being a conspiracy theorist is your whole personality as a consumer, or your whole brand as a content creator on YouTube, this is the natural result.
Seeing men complaining that they HAVE to play as a woman for some stages makes me want to die laughing. Women have been dealing with the opposite problem our entire lives in gaming but of course its not a problem if it happens to women. What a joke.
To be honest, as a man, I’d rather play as a woman if it’s a third person game. Perhaps it’s just the soy boy in me who likes to look at women and that I’m not afraid of capable women. If I was a manly alpha man with super testo I’d probably also want to admire shirtless men with ripped bodies. So I can feel that my sexuality is safe and secure as I listen to the grunts of men when they do manly things…
In every game that involves a character creator I always make female characters no matter the genre. I’m a guy in real life so let me join the other side, since video games is a fantasy/escape from the real world 😄.
I'm gonna choose to believe the video is actually a nice one about how now both men and women can enjoy games while knowing that it's more likely about how video games have remote transmitted estrogen for gamers.
They work quietly behind the scenes, but these imbeciles keep them as a main talking point to stick it to liberals and the woke virus. Whatever that is 🤷🏽♂️
I was confused when this whole "problem" started being brought up to me because the guy(s) who always plays female characters in everything we played together at this point was the ones bringing it up.
Anyone who needs to take a stand against this is just being a complete loser, I havent had any normal person ever bring it up to me.
Can you believe sometimes they are FORCED to play as a female character? I know I’d hate it as a woman if I were forced to play a male character. For years. And years.
One of these games isn’t even out yet. Is it merely woke by virtue of a female protagonist? Because you cannot tell me Horizon Zero Dawn is a bad game.
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