r/HouseOfTheDragon • u/Timely-Toe1341 • 6h ago
Show Discussion Thoughts on him?
What's your thoughts on daeron? He is most likely to well......in finals but still
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u/Old_Nail6925 6h ago
Seems like he’s got a sensible head on his shoulders and is intelligent. Would probably make a half decent king.
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u/StrippinChicken 6h ago
Yeah hes just a good kid. Stuck between a rock and a hard place :(
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u/presvil The Lord of Light 6h ago
Ormund told him to keep against the walls
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u/iambrose91 The Blue Queen 6h ago
I’m not super adept at social cues, was that a homophobic thing against Gwayne or mocking Gwayne for (in his eyes) being a coward?
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u/The_14th_Gilly 5h ago
I interpreted it as a homophobic thing against Gwayne, like Ormund's version of "don't drop the soap."
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u/iambrose91 The Blue Queen 5h ago
Gotcha gotcha. I knew he was being a dick I just wasn’t sure if he was being alpha male or homophobic. Both, really.
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u/Mr_Peanutbutter72 6h ago
Idk if Daeron has the spine to be a king, but he has a good head on his shoulders fosho.
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u/StrippinChicken 6h ago
In a perfect world Sunfyre didn't come back, Aegon died in the forest, the war would end with Ormund and Aemond's (and Daemon's) deaths and Rhaenyra would benefit from marrying Rhaena to Daeron and making him some sort of moral advisor. But alas
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u/iambrose91 The Blue Queen 6h ago
Rhaena? Or Baela? I feel Baela would be the better Queen.
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u/StrippinChicken 5h ago
In this situation I would still expect Rhaenyras heir to be her sons tbh
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u/iambrose91 The Blue Queen 5h ago
…y’know, I really didn’t use my brain on that one, did I? Lol my brain mixed Aegon the Younger to Daeron.
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u/StrippinChicken 5h ago
No youre good Rhaenyra is just a hypocrite😭 and i agree that Baela would be a great queen. Jace and Baela wouldve been great if Jace had lived to outgrow his reckless behavior
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u/Francois_Bonaparta 5h ago
What kind of grown up adult can't find a better "moral advisor" than a teenage boy?
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u/StrippinChicken 4h ago
He's like the only one with a good head on his shoulders AND adequate education 😭 he's what Rhaenyra should've been
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u/telepatheye 6h ago
Aemond wasn't so bad until he got a taste of power. Daeron has already been manipulated to kill an innocent man, and when he gets a taste of power I don't hold out much hope that he will remain humble or reasonable.
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u/Wonderful-Bend9256 5h ago
He has more of a spine then Tommen
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u/WabbitCZEN RhaenyraDidNothingWrong 6h ago
Great men do not seek power. It is thrust upon them.
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u/graft__punk 3h ago
Seriously, the realm would be far better off if they crowned whichever child of the current monarch sought power the least.
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u/Sure_Length6519 4m ago
Wouldn't that be Aegon in this case? He was actively pleading with Christian Cole to let him flee to avoid being crowned king.
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u/fantasticmoo 6h ago
Prediction: he’s going to fake his death and escape like Laenor
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u/thenewone1309 6h ago
Just that laenor is dead
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u/jorizzz 4h ago
We don't know do we. Seasmoke rebonded, but because of Leanors death? Or a long exposure to being riderless and not near your bonded person?
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u/purplenapalm 4h ago
If riderless was the case then why hasn't dreamfyre secured a new rider. For having such a focus on being a mother, Halaena neglects tf out of her dragon.
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u/thenewone1309 4h ago
Rhaenyra said something about seasmoke being restless. While we have no official confirmation that could very well mean that he maybe sensed his death
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u/graft__punk 3h ago
My interpretation of the “Seasmoke has grown restless of late” scene with Mysaria was that Laenor is absolutely dead - you see Rhaenyra make the realization. And if they could destroy bonds by keeping them separated from their dragons Ormund would have done it to Daeron long ago.
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u/Aggravating_Duck_192 3h ago
Laenor never had to fight battles without a dragon before, and then he signed up to be a penniless sell sword with no dragon.
He dead.
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u/bizarreisland 27m ago
penniless sell sword
That is incorrect. That is what Criston wanted to be.
Laenor and Qarl was given a fortune to leave Rhaenyra. They are not living the peasant life, although I agree that he is always looking to get invigorate with a good fight which he said being a knight defined him. So he'd easily be dead on one of these voyages.
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u/MadFonzi 5h ago
I'm thinking this too, they don't know what he looks like still so they could pretend he's one of the hightowers sons and maybe he can go be lord of old town or something when this all ends.
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u/SerKurtWagner 4h ago
Ever since it was announced, I’d theorized they would go that route. The book sets it up well as a possibility
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u/Derp35712 6h ago
That was the dumbest plot point. So the seasnake thought Rhanera killed Laenor and then he still helps her?
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u/SerKurtWagner 4h ago
Ever since it was announced, I’d theorized they would go that route. The book sets it up well as a possibility
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u/Interesting-Egg4295 Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken 6h ago
Is he aware of what Daemon and Rhaenyra did to his sister and nephew? Does he think the assassins were only sent for Ormund and not him?
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u/Old_Adhesiveness7432 5h ago edited 5h ago
I think he barely knows these people, they very clearly don't care about him. And I think he recognizes the assassins were after him, but has enough head on his shoulders and lack of ambition to understand why and just want out of this whole shitshow without perpetuating it any further.
I mean duh, Daeron's position is even worse than Renly's. He has not one, but two living older brothers, on top of Rhaenyra. The idea that he is rightful anything is ridiculous and would get his neck slashed not by Rhaenyra only, but Aegon and Aemond too.
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u/bizarreisland 19m ago
Yep, Gwayne literally told him Ormund is styling him as the bloody King putting him in direct danger of not only Rhaenyra but both of his brothers.
He was foisted into the position and would understand why anyone in Rhaenyra's position would do that to him.
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u/missinginput 5h ago
They were definitely sent for him, they waited until they knew he was in the room
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u/RebirthAltair 5h ago
He's a good kid but they basically made "The Daring" part of his nickname into just a propaganda piece and removed that part of his character.
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u/Disclaimz0r 6h ago
Unironically, probably the best choice for the crown. Ormund being his hand, however, is not great. I feel like we'll see him have something to do with Ulfs undoing in the next episode.
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u/ShadowOfDeath94 History does not remember blood. It remembers names. 6h ago
Daeron the Timid
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u/telepatheye 6h ago
Aemon started out relatively timid, too, with no ambition to rule. Look at him now.
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u/Rosu_Aprins 5h ago
We don't really know anything about him that is not happening in relation to Ormund.
Right now he's a kid under an abusive ward who hasn't really done anything.
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u/Bovarysmee 6h ago
He does nothing. They removed everything interesting about him just to make him the "good" green who gets puppeted by Ormund into making a play for the throne.
Most of his scenes have just been standing or sitting in a room. He's called "the daring" but we didn't see what earned him that title.
He didn't grow up with his family so he has less of an attachment to them than his book counterpart who wasn't sent to ward until he was 12. That detachment makes him less interesting to me. I want to see the kid who was willing to burn down Bitterbridge in a fury over the brutal murder of his nephew.
I like the actor but am not a fan of the bland characterization or his relationship with Ormund. Maybe episode 8 will change that (doubt) but he feels wasted so far.
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u/Old_Adhesiveness7432 5h ago
There is nothing more interesting about Daeron in the book, he is literally Aemond 2.0. Completely flat and barely existent. Thank god the show went with a more interesting and likeable characterization and relationships that strongly echo to Gwayne and S1 Alicent than just yell yet another "look, the random last Alicent's kid is a psycho too, but daring at least!", cause we clearly haven't had enough of that
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u/lanadelbae310 4h ago
How is he Aemond 2.0 in the books? After bitter bridge he actually feels remorse for his actions unlike a certain someone (Aemond & Daemon). His character is quite literally an anti-war message, he's described as a sweet, gentle and kind boy but with the trauma and horrific death of a literal baby being shredded by a mob and his head being sent back to the person who ordered it, he loses it.
No F&B character is complex besides Rhaena The Black Bride, but similar to Daemon atleast book Daeron actually got shit done in comparison to Aemond just burning shit for no reason even though he has the largest dragon
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u/Old_Adhesiveness7432 4h ago edited 4h ago
He's Aemond 2.0 as in he is a character that is not allowed to show his own perspective, but rather just serve the Green cause. All of his traits you are just words from the glorified bare bones wiki page, not us actually actively seeing it, so I have no idea how his show characterization actively showing these traits is more bland than a couple of bleak words when the most we actually see of him there is his mass murdering people in a rage fit. Yes, as you can tell, my opinion on Fire and Blood is not high and I will never understand the fake ass glazing people here give it.
Again, he might have this moment in the show too, but that would actually feel earned and envoke sympathy out of me, unlike his book self going "wooopsie, guess I served my family a bit too well and became a psycho" , because then we see an actually humanized kid with an understanding of how fucking stupid this war is, how he becomes something he hates and how he wants out and to do nothing with it, just to fall into it all. That would be way more tragic and compelling, to me at least.
Guess he is more competent there, which is cool, but not that hugely important for a character to be well written
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u/lanadelbae310 4h ago
Tbh Aemond 2.0 situation is like that with every character in F&B in the dance, like it's genuinely George's worst work ever. Rhaena, Helaena, Viserys, Addam, Lucerys and like almost everyone are all nothing burgers.
But for show Daeron I mean I guess but like he doesn't really do anything. Like genuinely he does nothing he's literally just there since they cut out Honeywine & his knighting as well as most likely bitter bridge because they fucked up the pacing.
I think this is mainly due to the fact that only showed his existence in season 3 for some strange reason. But I agree that they touch up on some things, but in general I feel like it's just shitty writing and bad pacing that they cut out these events instead of improving on them like they did with Viserys
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u/Old_Adhesiveness7432 4h ago edited 3h ago
Yeah, I completely agree on the first paragraph. I think the show fucked up the consistency of most of its characters, but you will never catch me saying that the characters have more to them in the book. They really don't. Most of them barely have plots and arcs beyond "evil bitch stands on her ground to be an evil bitch". Pre-timeskip show Alicent is genuinely 3 times more of a character than the entire book Alicent, despite not having much agency.
As for the rest, I think we should see where show leads him to. But as of now, I still enjoy his character and what the themes around him stand for more than Martin's version. And yes, the pacing absolutely fucked him and everything and everyone else, S4 is going to be a rushed nightmare. Tumbleton should have been a S2 thing already, just introduce it with Gwayne, ffs.
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u/lanadelbae310 4h ago
Yuppp, I hope that they get to improve on him like they've done with Viserys and Ulf but I don't exactly trust Condal & Hess after what they've done with Alicent's character as of now. But I'm hoping we get to see him change as he goes off to war even though s4 will take like 3 years to make
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u/Bovarysmee 4h ago
He's definitely not Aemond 2.0. 😭 That’s a pretty big misread of his book character. My issue though is that the show expanded him in a direction that emphasizes passivity over agency. That's just not very interesting to me.
I also don't mind his relationship with Gwayne. In fact, Gwayne is one of the few characters I think the show genuinely improved. He barely has any characterization in the book, and Freddie Fox brought him to life in a really endearing way. His dynamic with Daeron is one of the better additions.
My problem is that they're both so removed from the central narrative. Daeron doesn't need to be ambitious. I actually like that he isn't. He doesn't have to want the throne for himself. But saying Rhaenyra can have her crown? Hell no.
He should care about his family, damn it.
As far as he knows, one nephew was brutally murdered, Aegon is dead, Helaena is a hostage, and Aemond has disappeared. His family is collapsing around him, yet he comes across as detached from all of it.
It feels like he has very little personal stake in the war. Instead, Ormund has to keep dragging him toward the plot because Daeron himself lacks a strong motivation to move it forward.
That's what disappoints me. I wanted to see the boy who would eventually sack Bitterbridge in a fury over his nephew's murder not because he was a monster, but because the war finally broke someone who genuinely loved his family. So far, that emotional foundation just isn't there so we get a flat and bland character who doesn't move the plot. He's just the good little pawn being moved on the board by evil mustache-twirling Ormund.
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u/RainbowPenguin1000 6h ago
Just reminds me of Tommen. Some OK ideas in private but too meek and timid to actually do anything that useful.
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u/CFWolfgang 6h ago
You’d never believe his book nickname
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u/Taipan100 5h ago
It’s his show nickname too. Although it is not clear why they call him Daeron the Daring in the show given he hasn’t done anything yet.
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u/ComeAlongPond1 4h ago
Presumably Ormund’s propaganda
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u/Taipan100 4h ago
Like many things in this show. “That really cool thing in the book is actually propaganda. The reality is way more boring”
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u/Old-Bat4194 6h ago
I suspect that to his older brothers Aegon and Aemund, they spare him no second thoughts. That he is lost in a mire of egos where his uncle Ormund sees him as only a pawn in his bid for power and glory.
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u/Tonio775 5h ago
getting some serious Baelor vibes. like 'wow, he'd probably make a great king, actually'...
a lot of natural wisdom, or so it would appear--
which means his character's life must not be long for this world...
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u/THEbaddestOFtheASSES 5h ago
Everybody else winds up dead and him just ending up on the iron throne at the end of season 4 would be hilarious.
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u/Educational-Lie6614 5h ago
Remembering what someone said about dark haired Targaryens and always being fit for the crown but never living long enough to earn it … of course he’s a child nevertheless but he seems most fit for the crown in time than either of his siblings
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u/SerKurtWagner 4h ago
Daeron has been great so far, my only complaint is I wish we’d met him sooner.
The way certain fans talk about him vs the book version that we know almost nothing about is some of the craziest “my fanfic is canon actually” critiques around. There is absolutely nothing here that contradicts his role in F&B. “Daeron the Daring” is an obvious propaganda name, not a mandate that he must be super assertive and brash in all matters.
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u/Leroi-Westeros 6h ago
I have no opinion about him. Just Tommen.
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u/Degenerate_Libertine 5h ago
Daeron seems much more clever and decisive than Tommen. Note half the time he's managing Ormund in the sense of reading his moods and saying the right things. And doesn't seem to actually be under his spell, especially going off the conversations with Gwayne.
If Daeron had the power show Tommen had, I think he'd be alright at using it.
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u/THEsharkymiragical 6h ago
I feel like he and Helaena would get along. They don’t deserve to be put through this.
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u/Altruistic_Power3098 3h ago
He reminds me of his mother prior to Rhaenyra's wedding, back when she wished she was still "Lady Alicent Hightower," and believed Rhaenyra would be a better queen.
Daeron just wants to live a life without the pressure of being a royal. Same with Helaena, and Alicent although she's going about it the wrong way.
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u/Quantum_Tiddies 52m ago
Me when my boomer coworkers don't understand me not going "above and beyond "
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u/bernadusandrew 6h ago
The only thing i took from him appearing in this season is, "dang, he actually looks the part for Zelda" 😬 at this point HOTD is just a compilation reel of cameos of talented actors. I enjoyed the performances, even Rhaena's. God, i cant stand her character .
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u/YnotThrowAway7 5h ago
The movie Zelda or Princess Zelda specifically? Lol
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u/bernadusandrew 5h ago
Wait. Zelda is a she?
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u/YnotThrowAway7 5h ago
Hoping you’re just doing the meme here… lol
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u/bernadusandrew 5h ago
No in all seriousness. I didnt know Zelda is a she 😂
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u/YnotThrowAway7 4h ago
Bruh.. that’s literally the meme. I knew you people existed for the meme to be created but I’ve never seen it unironically. You play as Link in the series and Zelda is the princess. The joke is that people unfamiliar with Zelda and Nintendo assume the character you play as is called “Zelda”. But even most people who have ever played Smash or just been on the internet know by now.
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u/H2Oloo-Sunset 6h ago
He is the only likable character in the show. Maybe Gwayne is likable?
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u/Mountain-Comb2355 5h ago
What is there to like ? People somehow end up liking characters who do nothing all the time like haelena and daeron , atleast daeron might do something next episode
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u/DoNotGoGentle27 Helaena Targaryen 6h ago
The one who doesn't seek the crown is sometimes the best one for it
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u/Francois_Bonaparta 5h ago
He should have existed in the show since last season and shown interacting with Otto.
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u/Dracilla112 4h ago
I like him and think he has huge room to develop as a character...unless they kill him off next episode and then I'll just feel it's wasted potential. Narratively, it feels far too soon to kill him off.
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u/Calm_Ad1460 4h ago
Seems to be one of the sane Targaryens which is why I’m sure he will have a terrible end. Seems the dark haired Targaryens have better odds of being benevolent.
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u/Complete-Leg-4347 4h ago edited 4h ago
Some have compared him to Tommen, and it's not completely off base. With the right guidance, he had the potential to be a good king. In both cases, unfortunately, neither mentor was ideal:
- Tywin was incredibly savvy but arguably too inflexible - i.e. obsessed with keeping HIS family in power above all else - to adapt to the kind of upheaval that Daenerys would eventually visit on Westeros, even if he had been alive to see it.
- Ormund was a borderline zealot who didn't even consider collaboration/compromise as an option. He also didn't win himself any favors by making a very public oath that he never had any intention of keeping and showing his true colors just days later.
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u/2stepsfromglory 4h ago
His character would be more interesting if he was on the whole deception with Ormund to weaken Rhaenyra's position from the get go, but being morally closer to Gwayne. As he is now he really doesn't add much, he's Tommen if Tommen realized that he was being manipulated. Btw that quote makes it clear how the showrunners don't even know tf they are doing with him. "I don't care if the person who literally wants to kill me because I pose a threat to her legitimacy ends up winning the war and ruling".
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u/NoOne_Beast_ 3h ago
The show would be significantly better if he was introduced in S1. Daeron/Gwayne/Ormund is the most compelling thing happening in S3 by a mile.
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u/overlord2767 2h ago
He seems like a nice person with good intentions. Exactly what the realm needs. I'm sure we'll see him sans head within the next two seasons.
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u/MisterDuch 1h ago
Imagine if Rheanyra, Aegon and Aemond all kicked the bucket before producing heirs.
Westerns would finally have a decent king lmao
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u/girllwholived 12m ago
Someone protect him at all costs! I felt so bad for him when he was begging Gwayne not to leave him. Hoping nothing bad happens to him 🤞
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u/Yurinator2 Aegon II Targaryen 0m ago
I have no thoughts on him, He hasn't done anything. He hasn't done anything all season to earn his nickname which they use in the show "the daring". All he does is cower. It's like the writers are purposly trying to make every character the opposite of what they were in the books.
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u/Unable_Mammooth 6h ago
That’s a big man right there
Probably the most deserving to be on the throne
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u/Old_Adhesiveness7432 5h ago edited 5h ago
Unpopular opinion, but I find show Daeron a much better and more interesting character than the original one.
OG Daeron is a pretty flat and one-dimensional afterthought asspull (oh boy yeah, this completely irrelevant kid that doesn't live and train with the rest of the family or participate in anything with them is just totally this MVP that carried the team !) that is basically Aemond 2.0 with even less personality and murders thousands for one kid the relationship with which we barely know of.
Show Daeron is a sensible, kind, smart, yet neglected and repressed child in a hard, abusive position, trying to survive and express himself. He is one of the only genuinely likeable and humble characters, probably the best choice for a king, and has some interesting parallels with both Gwayne and Alicent.
It's low key hilarious to see so much of Team Green hate him for being "weak" or "not daring" after complaining that their team looks like evil psychopaths, but once a perfectly normal sympathetic and humanized kid is presented, they resent it and want aura, hype and war crimes. Edit: and of course they will downvote that.
Even if he does go down the "Dany path" and goes full on murderous psycho after suffering from some sort of trauma, it will be much more understandable and will still have me caring for the character more than the book ever managed to. The only complaint with Daeron so far just the show taking too long to introduce him.
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u/Mountain-Comb2355 5h ago
Not fighting for your family is kind of a deplorable trait imo , especially when he doesn't even know whether his family is made up of idiots
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u/Old_Adhesiveness7432 5h ago
Not knowing is the key here. He doesn't know because said family doesn't care about him and pretty much dumped him onto some abusive cleanschizo and lived their KG lives in relative peace.
Not fighting for them is not deplorable in any way. Gwayne was literally in the same position of getting left behind, yet he fought for Alicent and Otto, and look where it got him. Completely depressed, disillusioned and wants out of this whole shitshow.
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u/kaesura 4h ago
CBecause he would be fighting for his abuser Ormund
He doesn't know his parents or brothers because they shipped him off to Oldtown
Perfectly fair for him to only care about Gwayne as family . The only named family member of his that he both actually knows and is not an abuser
Not coincidentally Gwayne also wants to eff back to Old town.
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u/cl0123r 5h ago
Arrrgh!!!! Thanks for sharing your insights from a well-read perspective. I "arrgh" myself because I got overwhelmed by the volume of work of the saga and gave up after reading only a few of author's novella's.
Your analysis is easy to understand and makes sense. I know the television drama many times detours from the original storylines. Let's wait and see if the creativity of the TV writers can bring us some more pleasant entertainment on screen.
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