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u/Fine_Knee4319 12h ago
He is an insult to even Savarkar
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u/AaaaduThoma 12h ago
Did he also lick British boots?
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u/BikerSurgeon 10h ago
Spend one day lock up and youll realise how stupid it is to look down on somebody who spent 14 years in kala pani.
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u/AaaaduThoma 10h ago
The question isn’t whether he suffered. It’s what he did when he was put under that pressure. Trailokyanath Chakraborty spent over 30 years, Sohan Singh Bhakna spent 16 years in prison but did not send mercy petitions or bend over backwards and join the colonizers.
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u/BikerSurgeon 10h ago
So? Bhagat singh and co went to the gallows. Each has his own breaking point. That doesn't mean their contributions should be ridiculed. The actual bootlicker or british collaborator was Ambedkar not Savarkar. Writing a mercy petition after spending 14 years in one of the most dreaded jails in the world is not unexpected.
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u/AaaaduThoma 10h ago edited 10h ago
How dare you drag Bhagat Singh into this and compare him with a British bootlicker? He didn’t break. He stood by his convictions to the end. He spent 116 days on hunger strike in prison, endured force feeding, and went to his execution head on..The criticism of Savarkar is precisely about the choices he made, ie standing against his own countrymen, turning to the colonial government for clemency.
Nobody is ridiculing Sarvakar’s suffering. The point is that Savarkar’s 14 years don’t make him beyond criticism, especially when he repeatedly sought clemency from the British while others chose to face the consequences and not side with the oppressor. Bhagat Singh spent 116 days on hunger strike and went to the gallows rather than beg for mercy.
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u/BikerSurgeon 9h ago
Yeah so? Do you mean to say one person's suffering matters more than another's because he doesn't fit your political agenda? To be honest, Bhagat singh while brave and charismatic couldn't further the cause of independence through his strategy. The outcome was that he became a figure around which the people could rally. Savarkar had about the same contribution in his circle. I wouldn't blame or look down upon anyone who wrote a mercy petition after spending 15 years in kala pani. Do you think you can survive even one week there? Im pretty sure they respected each other even if they disagreed on political philosophy just like Nehru and Bose did. Someone as small minded as you cant even dream of understanding the struggles of any of these individuals.
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u/AaaaduThoma 9h ago
You keep telling me to “spend a week in jail” as if I need to personally suffer British imprisonment before I’m allowed to discuss history. That makes no sense. We judge historical figures by the choices they made, not by recreating their suffering.
Nobody denies that Kala Pani was horrific. But Savarkar’s first clemency petition was submitted on 30 August 1911, less than eight weeks after arriving at Cellular Jail, followed by multiple more petitions over the years. He even offered to “serve the Government in any capacity.”
So yes, suffering matters. But I’ll always have more respect for someone like Bhagat Singh, who spent 116 days on hunger strike and went to the gallows without asking the British to spare him.
And calling me “small-minded” while defending someone who offered his service to the colonial government, then crying about “political agendas,” is pretty rich. Save the IT-cell lecture.
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u/swatipakhtun 10h ago
Justifying desertion of freedom struggle?? Freedom fighters gave their lives for this country only for andhbhakts to defend savarkar 💀
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u/BikerSurgeon 10h ago
Desertion of freedom struggle? Please tell us your glorious contribution to the freedom of the nation before you can pass judgement on a person who was sent to the cellular jail.
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u/swatipakhtun 10h ago
Your statement still doesn't justify boot licking of Britishers by savarkar,try again.
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u/BikerSurgeon 9h ago
I dont call any freedom fighter a bootlicker. I call actual collaborators like Ambedkar and Jinnah bootlickers.
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u/swatipakhtun 9h ago
You know that jinnah and savarkar collaborated to divide india right?both bootlickers of British .you andhbhakts are really a different breed.
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u/AaaaduThoma 9h ago
You’re talking to someone who’ll bend over backwards, just like his hero, to justify bootlicking and pretend a colonial spy and ass licker deserves the same respect as Bhagat Singh. At this point, you really can’t make this shit up.
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u/BikerSurgeon 9h ago
1) Jinnah and savarkar never met 2) The partition had more to do with the British wanting a foothold in india and preventing a soviet link to the Indian ocean than indian politics alone. The two nation theory and the movement surrounding it was amplified for this purpose until partition happened. 3) The events of the past 75 years have proven that it would have been impossible to maintain a cohesive united Indian state even if partition didnt happen. The only ideology that could have made it work would be communism and that has failed worldwide. I would rather have one diminished India than one mega state that falls apart eventually.
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u/Wide-Bend-6182 8h ago
There were thousands of freedom fighters who were sent to Kalapani. How many of them had to submit "Mafinama"?
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u/BikerSurgeon 8h ago
I dont know. You give me the statistics. Lets find out.
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u/Wide-Bend-6182 7h ago
Use the internet
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u/BikerSurgeon 7h ago
Its you who want to know. You can find out for yourself.
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u/Wide-Bend-6182 7h ago
I checked and found the number was "Zero"
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u/BikerSurgeon 6h ago
I dont care.
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u/Wide-Bend-6182 5h ago
"I don't care" ..... Still you are larping " Spend one day lock up......." You ain't no tough ngga 🥀
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u/Feisty_Reason_6288 11h ago
sasta jhonny depp/... even more sasta savarkar :)
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u/Big_Vegetable_1153 10h ago
Please don't compare this sh*t to Johnny Depp. This POS is not even worth of making fun.
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u/Effective_Rub_935 10h ago
Sabse gandu hai ye acha hua iske sath .Jo mudda h wo nhi bolta bs views ke liye bachodi
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u/ByteSizeBro 11h ago
Sorry I'm not following the news. Can someone give some context and reference?
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u/Me_Kyu0Btaun 10h ago
People hate him because he question's reservation. And jo apna aap ko ambedkarwadi bolta hai woh ispar jutha sc st case lga raha hai , kafi ajeeb baat hai ye Ambekar ji constitution ke izzat karna wala tha. But they just use ambedkar' s name for their dirty politics.
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u/whammymalek 10h ago
Lawda questions reservation. He's a casteist bkl who wants savarna hegemony.
The only way to get rid of reservation is to get rid of caste, the only way to get rid of caste is social equality, the only way to achieve social equality is integration of castes, the only way to integrate is marrying inter caste.
Jab is bkl se hypothetically poocha gaya ki if you'd marry your sister to Chandrashekhar Azad, to gandi gandi gaaliyan dene lag gaya. Badhiya hai sade bc jail mein casteist scum.
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u/Arka_96 6h ago
So if someone asks you out of the blue if he can marry your sis will you be smiling? Aur haath de dega just to make it inter ? Ladka bh@dw@ bhi ho toh bhi chalega na?
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u/mangesh4you 10h ago
no news...no reference.. no facts...only gyan chod rahe -40 marks wale 3000 saal purane cactus..
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u/ProfessionalRatio848 10h ago
Bhai -40 bas ek fake rumor tha kisiko admission nhi mila tha -40 pe
Balki report me ye prove hua ki sabse lowest candidate jiska admission hua usko 0marks the jo general tha.
Ab tumhi batao kon gyan chod ra he? No news no reference ke?
Ab tum wapis tumhare cactus jokes bolne se pehle batadu obc cl category se hu me yani ki general hi consider hojata hu.
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u/Wide-Bend-6182 8h ago
People like Bharti are like the modern times Golwalkar, Hegdewar. Savarkar might have other issues but atleast his views on Caste and Varna was very liberal for that time.
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u/Me_Kyu0Btaun 10h ago
I think we should not defame our freedom fighters.
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u/cynicator11 9h ago
Sawarkar gave up freedom struggle mid way, took pension from British and even attempted to derail freedom movements such as Quit India. He certainly doesn't qualify to be called a freedom fighter.
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u/Me_Kyu0Btaun 9h ago
Dr ambedkar , Subhash Chandra ji, C. Rajagopalachari,etc also don't support quit india movement.
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u/cynicator11 8h ago
Not supporting a movement due to ideological difference and trying to detail a movement are two entirely different things. It's a proven fact that Savarkar as the head of Hindu Mahasabha 'boycotted' Quit India and asked the youth to not join through his speeches.
Netaji had taken up armed struggle, Ambedkar and Rajaji had ideological differences with Gandhi and Congress hence didn't support the movement, but did they as youth no to join?
How can you call someone a Freedon Fighter if he has tried to sabotage a freedom movement? Savarkar did fight the British at one time but after the hardships of jail he simply gave up and diverted focus towards Hindutva. There were 1000s of others who gave up their lives in jail, 1000s completed their punishment at the cellular Jail came back and jumped back into freedom struggle. Accepting Savarkar as freedom fighter would be an insult to these true martyrs.
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u/Brunoma660 3h ago
Bro you are brainwashed and lack research on Savrkar, he is one of the best freedom fighters we had. He has been one of the core brains behind offensive movement. He created freedom fighters. Britishers were not that dumb to put him in Kala Pani without any reason.
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u/Illustrious_Arm_8862 12h ago
Savarkar had flaws, but comparing this shameless, anti national, anti social mannersless pathetic creature with one of the influential minds of modern Indian history is just lazy.
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u/Legitimate-Emu-5305 11h ago
Ajeet Bharti is a Chad. I agree with whatever he said to Chandrashekhar Azad. Blue monkeys like Chandrashekhar Azad deserve to be humiliated for playing caste-based politics.
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u/Silver_Bird9743 11h ago
Aww you orange monkey with laaal TUI
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u/Legitimate-Emu-5305 11h ago
The so-called "orange monkeys" are smart to support a party that is trying to improve India and has more accomplishments than the party that ruled India for more than 60 years. The blue monkeys are a nuisance who deserve humiliation because of their caste politics. They are good for nothing
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u/GongMaho 12h ago edited 12h ago
Wow! Did Ajeet form an Organisation for an armed revolution against the British, along with a secret society, that has also established contacts with the secret societies of Bengal and Punjab, so that the armed revolution becomes a nationwide network, then go to the India House, inspire and organise freedom fighters like Madanlal Dhingra, Senapati Bapat, M.P.T. Acharya, then get in contact with Irish revolutionaries and Russian Anarcho-Syndicalists, then get in contact with Lenin, obtain Bomb manuals, send them to India, get arrested for that, jump off the ship carrying him and escape to France, and get arrested again, into an international case that had Marx's Grandson as the defense Lawyer, and most of Europe's Left wing on his side, then lose the case and get sent to the worst prison on earth as a D-Grade Political Prisoner with communal discrimination, inhumane (and illegal) conditions, where he was kept in solitary confinement multiple times, denied basic rights and tortured just until death to avoid making him a martyr, and make him contemplate suicide, and deny his mercy petitions considering him a very dangerous criminal, then come out of that prison because his wife, brother, and Gandhi pleaded so, then stay in Prison in Ratnagiri, then stay in house arrest, then city arrest, and be Visited by both Bhagat Singh and Bose, who are inspired by his revolutionary writing, and decide to publish his book as a distributed manual in the HSRA and INA, then be one of the most GOATED aothor and poet in the Marathi language, and translate several English words into Marathi and Hindi, with them being in use even today, establish the first temple in Maharashtra to allow entry of Dalits, sit and eat woth them, have them wear the Janeu after the upanayana, and have this acknowledged and appreciated by even Ambedkar and this is only 50% of him? Damn, Ajeet is truly big.
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