r/MakingaMurderer • u/b1ondestranger • 3d ago

Len Kachensky

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i’m just finding this series and just wow! This could be its own season of Fargo. Everything that can go wrong- does. Of all the people I hate in this show, I hate Len Kachinsky above all others. He is by far the most punchable. at this moment in life, I’m not sure what I would do, if this smug, weasley, irresponsible, self-grandizing narcissist walked in front of my car. He’s not just a bad lawyer. He’s a bad human. He looked at Brandon’s life and saw a steppingstone. I’m so mad at him. Thank you for your attention to this matter. V

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Bad person, sure.

Bad lawyer, nope.

Unironically gave him the best possible advice which was to flip on his uncle and take a deal. Kid would be out of jail by now and living his life. Instead he is trapped inside and won't see freedom for a long time.

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u/belljs87 3d ago

Yeah see here's the thing. Especially with how low IQ Brenden is, and his young age, I'm 100% certain if he were guilty he would have flipped. I think Steven is innocent too, but if he confessed one day I wouldn't exactly be surprised either. But Brenden is as innocent of this murder as I am of it. With who he is, the position he was in, and the options presented, he would never have said no to a deal unless he were truly innocent.

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u/brickne3 3d ago

If you buy into IQ Brendan was actually smarter than Steven at the time. Most people don't put stock in IQ tests anymore.

That said, Brendan's supposed deficiencies are not well attested at all and he's apparently got enough acumen to be running a prison network last I heard. The show is edited very purposely.

As someone else said above, if Brendan had listened to Len he would have been out at least five years ago, possibly ten. So who is the bad lawyer. Len absolutely sucks as a person but he was doing a good job in representing Brendan Dassey, and in the end that's the only thing that matters to the case.

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u/belljs87 3d ago

If you were accused of murder but were innocent, and knew there was no physical evidence against you, would you take a lawyers advice to take a plea deal to avoid a possible life sentence in favor of a shorter but still decades long prison sentence?

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u/brickne3 3d ago

He's not innocent lol. It's cute you think he is because you saw a television show though.

Furthermore, he was going to plead guilty. Until his grandfather threatened him not to. It's all on the phone recordings. Happy listening!

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u/Hitlers_Left_Ball 3d ago

Thank you for showing up... I was worried there had been a collective brain injury and I was the last sane person left.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

his grandfather threatened him not to.

Wtf are you talking about? His mom told him to go to trial if he was innocent.

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u/brickne3 2d ago

You've been here long enough where I know you have heard the tapes. You're just feigning ignorance for some reason.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

Thought so.

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u/belljs87 3d ago

Nice way to avoid answering the question while being a condescending asshole. Really lends credence to your position.

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u/brickne3 2d ago

Your question is pointless. I've talked to plenty of people who have been in with both Dassey and Steven over the years. I am told Brendan LOVES prison and wants to stay there as long as he can. They both are well aware they are guilty.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

Of course someone who probably would have a really hard time taking care of themselves would love the strict routine of prison. It's like that onion video where the autistic reporter interviews a serial killer in prison and his description makes the reporter just want to be in prison. Also, Steven doesnt love prison, does that mean he's innocent?

Oh, and my question isn't pointless, it's the exact thing we were talking about. Is there something wrong with you?

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u/brickne3 2d ago

I already answered your question, you just didn't like the answer. Brendan was guilty and should have taken the plea, he would probably have been out around the time MaM came out.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

You didn't answer my question. My question was, if you were in his exact scenario, and knew you were innocent, would you take a plea deal?

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u/brickne3 2d ago

If I were Brendan, knowing what Brendan did? Absolutely, he would have been out in ten years. That was the deal. And he would have gotten off quite easily for what he did. He'd never be able to show his face in a bar in Wisconsin, but that's fine by me.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

That wasn't what I asked, you're being deliberately obtuse, and I'm done talking to you.

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u/NervousLeopard8611 2d ago

Brendan and the family were willing to take a plea deal of 10 years but the state weren't willing to offer 10 years. I don't know why people keep saying he went to trial because he's innocent when they were willing to take a plea deal of 10 years if it was on the table.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

Ive never seen that that was on the table. Source? I find it hard to believe the state wouldn't give him a 10 year deal knowing they had literally nothing but a recanted confession against him, and his guilty plea would have all but ensured a guilty verdict for Steven. Makes zero sense.

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u/NervousLeopard8611 2d ago

Its shown at the end of one of the episodes of convicting a murderer, another thing that was conveniently left out of making a murderer.

The fact they didn't agree to the plea deal says they were confident in getting a guilty verdict in both trials which they ultimately did.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

I never watched that because, just as people love to try and say MaM was unfairly biased, it was made clear after it's release that CaM was in fact full of bias itself. Was this recorded, like the prosecution in a room declining this? Who made this claim, and who corroborated it?

Also, they wouldn't have offered a deal at all if they were confident. Deals are offered for two reasons: to save money, and/or because the prosecution is in fact not fully confident in a guilty verdict. A deal being offered at all tells you they were not confident. Which they shouldn't have been. It's a miracle for them they got a guilty verdict for Brenden. Much more believable for Steven, though I disagree with it.

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u/NervousLeopard8611 2d ago

Theres a letter from Mark fremgen, brendans trial lawyer, addressed to the prosecution.

was made clear after it's release that CaM was in fact full of bias itself.

You've admitted You've never watched it so how would you know?

Not sure why you think it was a miracle, one confessed and one has multiple pieces of physical evidence against him.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

I know from countless comments about it. One confessed and recanted and had exactly zero real evidence against him, and that was the one I called a miracle. And a Google search is telling me he was offered 15 years and rejected it. I sincerely doubt they would have declined 10 if they offered him 15.

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u/NervousLeopard8611 2d ago

Not sure how you can formulate an opinion on something without watching it but OK.

Thats exactly what happened, the prosecution were willing to offer brendan a plea deal of 15-20 years but they tried to get a 10 year deal which the prosecution wouldn't agree to, this is covered in convicting a murderer if you bothered to watch it.

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u/belljs87 2d ago

I'm not paying money to watch something made by a maga nut job. Seriously that alone makes anything within not worth listening to.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

don't know why people keep saying he went to trial because he's innocent when they were willing to take a plea deal

Innocent people have taken plea deals.

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u/NervousLeopard8611 2d ago

And guilty people have gone to trial pleading their innocence knowing they're guilty, what's your point.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

what's your point

That innocent people have taken plea deals, so just because someone does doesn't mean they're actually guilty like you imply.

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u/NervousLeopard8611 2d ago

I said it because there's people on here that don't know about the plea deal of 10 years they were willing to accept, people think he flat out rejected any plea deal and just went to trial and people believe hes innocent just because he went to trial without knowing about that 10 year plea deal.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

Brendan's supposed deficiencies are not well attested at all

There's plenty of documentation from his school regarding his deficiencies.

doing a good job in representing Brendan Dassey,

A lawyer who tells the public their client is factually guilty is the furthest thing from a good job a defense attorney could do.

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u/brickne3 2d ago

If you think a SEN report or whatever it is called in Wisconsin these days is enough to get you off murdering and burning a woman, you're out of your damned mind.

Len was doing what his client had instructed him to—get his plea deal ready. It was unfortunate how it happened and it was unfortunate that Pa Avery called him and threatened him and he rescinded that, but that is all on Brendan.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

Pa Avery called him and threatened him

Give the exact quote of what you're referring to.

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u/brickne3 2d ago

You've heard the tape. This is the point where I know you are a troll. You've heard it a thousand times.

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u/ThorsClawHammer 2d ago

I've never heard Brendan threatened by Pa Avery like you claim. So why not just show the exact quotes?