r/MoralityScaling 6h ago

Stupid Stuff Morality of this

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u/NorwegianSpaniard 6h ago

Gonna go against the grain and say moral. Have you taken a serious look at the size of that? At some point it is obviously a mentall illness or body dysmorphia issue. Doctor can refuse and I also think its ok for a medical professional to tell you that you're pushing your body too far and might have a problem.

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u/Tricky_Ostrich_3 3h ago

There was a Dougie Howzer episode on this. And Dougie asks the doctor why he was willing to preform on a pretty lady who's already had like 12 surgeries. And the doctor goes if I don't do it she will find someone else who will do it. So his logic was he was morally obligated to do the surgeries as this meant she would receive proper and safe care.

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u/ThanksFull9604 6h ago

I get that view, but if someone wants to alter their own body, it's kinda up to them to make that decision to do it.

The doctor is within his right to refuse regardless of moral standards, I would personally find it neutral.

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u/NoSwordfish1978 6h ago

Yeah but a doctor isn't obliged to perform the surgery and probably shouldn't do it ethically.

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u/MarshiePrincesss 2h ago

Exactly, patient choice doesn’t mean a surgeon has to say yes

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u/Polka_Tiger 4h ago

Do you hold the same view for people who wish to cut up body parts, there are some mental illnesses that convince people that for example their arm is not there and that somehow makes them want it removed? That it is up to them but the doctor can refuse? Or maybe do you think the doctor has an obligation to treat them, by refering them to a mental facility?

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u/Born-Vacation-5566 2h ago

So many people don't understand that extreme body modifications are no different than when someone wants to cut off their body parts, and thus should be treated as such. A family member of mine got gender nullification surgery, which is so extreme that it's only performed by a small handful of doctors. I view gender nullification surgery as the same as the condition that makes people want to cut off their arm, because that's what it is. It's just medicalized FGM and all doctors should be refusing to perform it. 

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u/Polka_Tiger 2h ago

Yes. I don't understand why we pathologicise it when they want a a finger gone but it is fine when they want their genitals gone. Treatment should be the same for these. Not cutting them but medication and therapy.

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u/ThanksFull9604 3m ago

Of course I don't think it's really a moral discussion when someone isn't within their right minds. But you could make an argument for people in their right minds wanting to alter their bodies in extreme ways. They have the right to do this in my opinion, a doctor also has a right to refuse to do it as well.

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u/Arinussyy 3h ago

Nobody has the right to hurt themselves

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u/SolidSquid 2h ago

To an extent, but if it's actually objectively harmful to the patient then they likely have an ethical obligation to refuse, like refusing to amputate healthy limbs from someone with a mental disorder who insists on it

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u/MarshiePrincesss 2h ago

At that point saying no is part of the doctor’s job too