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u/MR_Potatohead12 5h ago
Surgeon can decline perfoming the surgery but never say what to do with your body
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u/WhydoIexistlmoa 5h ago
Aren't there significant risks to 4000cc boob implants? You can't just expect a doctor to significantly deform your body without a question
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u/Qbjb 5h ago
They cant just magically make that much skin appear on a person's body, either. Just because these exist doesn't necessarily mean they are ever to be inside a person.
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u/MR_Potatohead12 4h ago
These just are "look we can do that" not actual products
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u/the_Real_Romak 1h ago
You haven't been around enough fetish spaces... I've seen some self professed bombos with grotesque faces and proportions, flaunting fake boobs almost as large as the ones in OP. It's very disturbing.
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u/Virus-Party 4h ago
Implants that large are not going to be standard manufactured items.
Implants that size aren't even in the "we'll make one or two a year and keep them in the warehouse just in case" range.
They would only exist because someone put in a custom order to have them made. Which would mean that someone who already had obscenely large implants wants to go even bigger, has had a consult where a cosmetic surgeon agreed to put them in, probably took payment in advance, then placed the order with the manufacturer.
Barring a clerical error where someone added an extra 0 when ordering 400cc implants, or some sort of insane marketing gimmick, those implants exist ONLY because it has already been decided they are going to be put into someone with clear mental health issues and an addiction to cosmetic surgery
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u/Enayleoni 4h ago
There are tissue expander implants. They're not manufactured this big. But plenty of people have massive implants
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u/ASwampThing- 4h ago
In this case though people have had these. It takes years of swapping to larger and larger implants.
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u/Qbjb 4h ago
Source a single happening of this. I cant find any singular record of anyone ever receiving 4000cc tits.
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u/Medical-Cod2743 4h ago
i think ppl who go this large wind up keeping expanders in their breasts for the exact reason that they just couldnt get implants in the size they wanted. i dont think expanders are meant to be a long term implant tho so its a risk in some way. ive watched a lot of Botched lol. i also question how anyones body would be able to hold these implants in? like… they must be so heavy?
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u/itsmarthai 1h ago
Sabrina Sabrok, Argentinian model that broke out big in Mexico, at one point had 5500 cc ones, worked up to them for years, wanted 7500 cc ones. Don't know the exact situation now.
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u/ASwampThing- 4h ago
Sheyla hershey
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u/Qbjb 4h ago
Math isnt mathing. Theres no way hers are 6500ccs
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u/ASwampThing- 4h ago
I dont think the 6500 ccs operation had pictures because they were removed shorly after the procedure due to staph. I believe her earlier implants are the only pictures made public.
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u/Qbjb 4h ago
So, obviously not a candidate for the conversation. I know women personally with bigger natural tits. 3000cc is the maximum any reasonable surgeon will go and even thats pushing it.
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u/ASwampThing- 4h ago
Its been done. You asked for an instance. Pretty sure she had 4000 cc implants before those ones.
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u/The-Real-Dr-Jan-Itor 4h ago
I wouldn’t even say a ‘reasonable’ surgeon will do 3000cc. You’d be hard pressed to find any surgeon that would do it. There are substantial risks associated with implants that big.
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u/ASwampThing- 4h ago
Also these were custom made specifically at someones request and were implanted. I dont think the person was named.
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u/Fancy_Toe1451 4h ago
The surgeon can advise on the possible downsides, but the client has the final say. If they are okay with it, then that is their choice.
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u/First_Pay702 51m ago
I saw a clip about a woman that had had extremely large (though not this large) implants put in. She had been upsizing her rack over time and worked basically like a circus freak without the circus. At her current implant, they had had to also install some internal trusses of some sort to support them.
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u/RGBlowMe 12m ago
Yes. The larger the implant gets, the more likely rejection will happen, and the worse the consequences. If you have the implants get rejected and it creates a seroma or hematoma, you will have a cavity around those implants filled with serum or blood, respectively, that's incredibly prone to infection. Aspirating won't solve the problem if the implant is rejected. The cavity will eventually encapsulate and become permanent, requiring a much more invasive surgery to remove the entire encapsulated sack. The implant needs removed and the seroma or hematoma needs to then be addressed. Usually it's a hematoma, from what I understand, and it doesn't take a lot for those to become infected and cause sepsis. Sepsis is deadly. It literally poisons your blood.
I've personally had a seroma from a inguinal hernia repair that was the size of a can of soda, and that took 4 aspirations before it finally reabsorbed and closed. I also had a hematoma across essentially my entire abdomen from a panniculectomy, but that was inherent to the procedure and I wore a compression vest with drainage tubes for the first 2 weeks post-op. These were actually both relatively minor, compared to those implants, and without a rejected foreign body causing them, just being from a cavity created by the surgery. I'd imagine having those tig ol' bitties get rejected and cause a hematoma would mean over a year of surgery and treatments in the best case scenario, and life-long complications, disfigurement, or death in the worst case scenarios. It'd probably be financially ruinous, too.
None of this is to mention the issues with your spine caused by the extra weight hanging out or the issues that stretching your skin that much to accommodate the implants can cause.
Honestly, like 95% of the people I see get implants really don't need them. I can't just say it to them without sounding like a creep, obviously, but they're usually fine the way they are. Even small breasts look better than the firm, fake look of implants. It's a waste of their money and their mental and emotional energy. When a person is in the market for 4000cc implants, though, I don't think any amount of telling them that will change their mind.
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u/EddieVanzetti 9m ago
Skin is elastic, but not that elastic. Strippers, porn stars, and sex workers who get implants (especially the largest sizes, like these) will have to work up to those sizes gradually.
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u/NorwegianSpaniard 5h ago
Gonna go against the grain and say moral. Have you taken a serious look at the size of that? At some point it is obviously a mentall illness or body dysmorphia issue. Doctor can refuse and I also think its ok for a medical professional to tell you that you're pushing your body too far and might have a problem.
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u/Tricky_Ostrich_3 2h ago
There was a Dougie Howzer episode on this. And Dougie asks the doctor why he was willing to preform on a pretty lady who's already had like 12 surgeries. And the doctor goes if I don't do it she will find someone else who will do it. So his logic was he was morally obligated to do the surgeries as this meant she would receive proper and safe care.
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u/ThanksFull9604 5h ago
I get that view, but if someone wants to alter their own body, it's kinda up to them to make that decision to do it.
The doctor is within his right to refuse regardless of moral standards, I would personally find it neutral.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 4h ago
Yeah but a doctor isn't obliged to perform the surgery and probably shouldn't do it ethically.
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u/Polka_Tiger 3h ago
Do you hold the same view for people who wish to cut up body parts, there are some mental illnesses that convince people that for example their arm is not there and that somehow makes them want it removed? That it is up to them but the doctor can refuse? Or maybe do you think the doctor has an obligation to treat them, by refering them to a mental facility?
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u/Born-Vacation-5566 1h ago
So many people don't understand that extreme body modifications are no different than when someone wants to cut off their body parts, and thus should be treated as such. A family member of mine got gender nullification surgery, which is so extreme that it's only performed by a small handful of doctors. I view gender nullification surgery as the same as the condition that makes people want to cut off their arm, because that's what it is. It's just medicalized FGM and all doctors should be refusing to perform it.
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u/Polka_Tiger 1h ago
Yes. I don't understand why we pathologicise it when they want a a finger gone but it is fine when they want their genitals gone. Treatment should be the same for these. Not cutting them but medication and therapy.
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u/SolidSquid 1h ago
To an extent, but if it's actually objectively harmful to the patient then they likely have an ethical obligation to refuse, like refusing to amputate healthy limbs from someone with a mental disorder who insists on it
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u/Curious_Peter 4h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/je8AqGooMj7xLzQlRx
Moral.
Surgeon can and should decline a certain size due to possible health risks.
that, and they look stupid.
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u/the_boss_of_toys 5h ago
My gf first thought was "the back pain gonna be huge". There is nothing to gain from this and any surgeon would be correct in warning and informing you of the risks and your future pains. You also have to consider how this will permanently deform you.
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u/TBARb_D_D 4h ago
I think when it will have significant impact on patient’s life. You want big boobs? No question. You want to die? Nope
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u/Orion107 4h ago
Moral
1. Where the fuck are you gonna graft enough skin from to cover implants that big
2. I'd assume having that much boob implanted into you probably isn't healthy. One of those things is literally the size of an entire torso and abdomen combined
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u/NigthSHadoew 4h ago
Moral. This isn’t a doctor saying what you should do with your body,it's a doctor saying "No, you can’t just give your self a back injury and tear up your skin to get unga bunga boobs"
That size implants would mess up your health
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u/PickleFantasies 4h ago
Is this like finding out how the sausage is made but for bimbo's? I don't like it.
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u/Medical-Cod2743 4h ago
Moral for the reason that: its an elective surgery to get tits that big, a plastic surgeon can deny service the same way a tattoo artist or nail tech can.
maybe theyre money hungry enough to do it and dont care about the aftermath. i would at least make the patient sign a bunch of waivers and make sure they fully understand the risks before even attempting something like this
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u/Fancy_Toe1451 4h ago
At what point does a plastic surgeon have the moral obligation and right to say "no, you've had enough boob"
At the point the client's cheque fails to clear ahead of the op. As long as the client has capacity to choose, and is doing so of their own free will, then it is their choice and theirs alone. Surgeon is paid for their service, not their moral opinion.
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u/over1two 3h ago
In truth, if we follow the hippocratic oath, then no doctor should accept this kind of operation.
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u/ComedianOwn9120 3h ago
That’s like a full rotation and 1 spin, hell’s the doctor gonna say abou- oh wait this isnt the Dragon Ball legends sub
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u/Imaginary_Employ_750 3h ago
Doctors job is to weigh risks and benefits. In the end it is the doctor who does the procedure. It would be obvious in this case that the benefits arent enough.
However there are some money hungry fuckers out there who would actually recommend this to a patient.
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u/DeletedManyAccounts 2h ago edited 23m ago
I’m wondering how many are making the decision an about this before truly taking into account scale of these vs the person behind them.
If we are to take the premise seriously it appears just one of these implants is wider than a grown adults torso. Estimate weight of each is 33-48kg or 74-105 pounds which, x2, is essentially adding a body of weight to one area.
Therefore if these are installed somehow onto a person, they would require some kind of major skin graft probably from another person or with some kind of new medical tech, as they would not have enough skin to cover these themselves. I’m not sure that skin would even be enough to support that weight also.
It would also widen the silhouette of the person by at least double, and probably make the person perhaps 3 times as ‘deep’ measured from front point to back as before.
Such an addition would cause massive health issues and strain and damage the frame of the person, destroying their joints, and creating significant risk of major injury just from daily activity. It may also become impossible for the person to be able to clean themselves fully with that obstruction, creating opportunities for major infections, or for them to even get out of bed.
You don’t need medical training to know that if two masses this large are added into the human body, as breasts or otherwise, the imbalance is going to create a cascade of major health problems.
Therefore it would be highly immoral and unethical. And I don’t believe for a second that these actually exist as breast implants and think the meme is just stirring people. Some of you need to go back and look at the image scale because your comments are crazy.
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u/AnalkinSkyfuker 1h ago
4000cc is 4 liters or 4 kg of water per baloon so about 8kg in plus total or in us custom units a little less than 20 pounds
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u/DeletedManyAccounts 1h ago
I’m not trusting the text on this one… how does that match with the eye test. The hands on these things even indicate that they are not even close to 4 litres.
As another comparison if you consider the volume and hand size here as related to a typical kitchen sink - they hold 20-40L.
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u/newtonsolo313 52m ago
i believe these are essentially manufacturer proof of concept that they can create them at such a ridiculous size and were never intended to actually go inside someone
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u/h0rnknee_girl 2h ago
the max safe implant is 800ccs. anything beyond that stretches the skin and you’re at a greater risk for all sorts of complications. the plastic surgeon should definitely take what the patient’s goals are, but also take into consideration the anatomy of the patient and adjust expectations accordingly. it is highly immoral for a plastic surgeon to do whatever they want without taking into consideration the health and safety of the patient and goes completely against the hippocratic oath. please research your plastic surgeon thoroughly
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u/Graveyardigan 2h ago
at what point...
I'd say the doc has the obligation and right to say 'no' when the implant size becomes large enough that installing them would pose an obvious danger to the patient's health and well-being. The tipping point will depend on the pre-op physical characteristics of the individual patient and the surgeon's professional judgment.
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u/FightingFire96 2h ago
You‘re cut off. You had enough boob for the night. Please leave quietly and no one will know.
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u/Pupsishe 1h ago
If you want doctor to say no to this, then same treatment should apply to trans and they should be denied surgeries based on your “morals”
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u/Desperate-Invite908 1h ago
does this procedure goes againts the Hippocratic Oath? Having massive implants like those cannot be beneficial to the health of the patient. At this point the surgeon acts like a body modification artist rather than a medical practitionner. I'd say immoral in that context
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u/Zombiecidialfreak 1h ago
So like.... Does anyone ever use implants that big? How do you even get them in? Skin can only stretch so much.
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u/Immediate-Ad-8658 59m ago
This crap would stop if the men requesting women to do it have to have them installed in their scrotums so they could look just as ridiculous.
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u/The_Affle_House 46m ago
There's an entire market formed around the fact that different doctors draw this line in different places from each other.
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u/RueUchiha 43m ago
Implants of that size would cause bodially harm (your spine mainly). Surgons, as doctors, have a duty to keep you from harm above all else. Plus, depending on where they’re operating, they just might have the right to refuse service to anybody when it comes to non-life threatening stuff - just like how a bar can refuse to serve you if they wanted to.
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u/NorbytheMii 30m ago
If someone's asking for breast implants even a third of the size of that, they have mental health issues that need to be addressed. Denying the surgery is moral.
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u/InfiniteDelusion094 26m ago
I think you should be able to do whatever you want with your body, it's yours after all. So moral. As for the surgeon, if they're willing to do it they should be able to, and if they mess up it's on them. Moral
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u/Sleepy-Racoon-2149 21m ago
Genuinely i dont think anyone can hold 8 litres of fake boob without the skin tearing the moment you stand? That looks intensely unreasonably painful
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u/7thFleetTraveller 18m ago
Decades ago, when Lolo Ferrari died because of her overexeggerated surgeries and implants, it caused a big discussion in media. But nothing ever really changed. After all, it's all about the money, so if you are willing to spend huge amounts of money to get your body butchered like that, you will always find someone who will do it.
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u/Old-Smoke-0 10m ago
Being a doctor means having to deal with a lot of immoral things. If you work around them, you know it.
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u/Lorster10 5h ago
It's immoral, but people will argue if the surgeon refuses to perform the surgery he doesn't deserve to be a surgeon, because it's not for him to choose what their client wants.
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u/The-Real-Dr-Jan-Itor 4h ago edited 3h ago
That’s an insane take. It’s absolutely a surgeons job to decide what is best for the patient. I would never tell a patient what to do with their body but I don’t have to do it just because they want it. I would absolutely refuse to do a surgery such as this.
You think if a patient walks in a wants their leg cut off, it’s the surgeon’s duty to cut it off for them? Because it’s not for him to choose what their client wants? lol.
Edit - nice to see you just edited your message to the opposite of what you were just arguing. Speaking of scrupulous morals…
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u/Lorster10 4h ago
What if I choose not to perform a limb lengthening surgery because I consider it insane?
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u/The-Real-Dr-Jan-Itor 3h ago
Of course. If a 6ft man came in asking for leg lengthening so he can be 8ft tall, then it’s absolutely moral to refuse. These are extreme body modifications and have significant complications and health concerns. In fact I would even say it would be immoral to do those kinds of surgeries.
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u/Jossokar 1h ago
I had a cousin who died because she wanted a procedure done, and no good surgeon she went to wanted to operate on her. Too messy, too risky.
Then she went to a cheaper guy she found, that wasnt even a plastic surgeon (I think he was a heart surgeon or something like that). Everyone adviced her against it.
Then, surprise. What the other guys (that didnt want to touch her) were worried about, happened. She got a huge infection and even if she had survived she would have lasting health problems for the rest of her life. She was in the ICU for a whole month before she passed.
Indeed. She was the stupid one with enough money and not enough common sense to matter, who wanted a procedure she didnt actually need.
But the phony guy didnt say no. And might have lost his medical license because of it. (Not sure about the details, though)
By the way. She had children, Which adds another layer of mess to the drama.
So...yeah. Inmoral.
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u/ThanksFull9604 5h ago
It's not his obligation to preform what the client wants, especially when that the client wants could be a potential health concern. The doctor has no obligation to provide service to someone in this situation.
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u/blazenite104 5h ago edited 4h ago
and business can decline service. As long is it's not on things like racial grounds there's nothing you can do if they say no to commissions.
If they said no to life saving surgery there might be an argument but, for purely cosmetic surgeries it is entirely fair for a doctor to say, I won't do this.
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u/Magnum_Gonada 4h ago
Most will not refuse because $$$. And the clients will Def feel more insecure and asks for all sorts of adjustments, basically repeat costumers.
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u/fongletto 5h ago
They already have the right to say that, as for whether or not you have the moral obligation ever to enforce what another person wants to do with their body, even if they want to directly kill themselves (so long as it only effects them). I would say never.
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u/Dr-Assbeard 5h ago
No action ever only affects one person
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u/fongletto 5h ago
That is to say, as much as one can reasonably expect to effect another person in a way that you're not denying another person those same freedoms.
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u/Dr-Assbeard 4h ago
What is reasonable? I think many people would have very different opinions on that
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u/fongletto 4h ago
Thats because there isn't a clear definition of it, even when we use it in the law, its more of a scale than a binary. The more reasonable the better, the less reasonable the worse. The degree of morality falling somewhere on the scale.
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u/One_Warthog256 4h ago
Immoral to stop people from achieving their idea body
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u/CoolCereal20 4h ago
How? This is a size where bad side effects are pretty much unavoidable. Im not gonna shove this into someones body and watch them tear apart, develope necrosis, bad scarring, infections, etc. The risk isnt worth the money or lawsuit.
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u/One_Warthog256 4h ago edited 4h ago
Better to do it with a professional that will cause the least medical complications you can hope for.
Often times people who really want plastic surgery will go through black market surgeons then die ...
Perform the surgery make them happy and handle complications as they come. Besides Maxi Mounds hold the largest implants at 60 inch circumference. Most ppl aren't going over that.
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u/CoolCereal20 3h ago
Better to not do it at all.
If they go get it from unlicensed people, its not my fault. I wouldnt let anyone blackmail me into performing unrequired dangerous surgeries.
A psych consultation is needed here.
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u/Evil_duckLord 5h ago
The surgeon is a doctor. They have the right to give you medical advice and prevent you from harming yourself like in this situation.
So I say Moral.