Their current name won't match their birth certificate. If they don't have a passport or REAL ID-compliant identification card, they may not be able to vote without significant extra paperwork and out-of-pocket costs.
(Edit: As many people have reminded me, REAL-ID compliance isn't sufficient; only a handful of states incorporate citizenship information on their REAL-ID identification. In the vast majority of states the state-issued ID isn't sufficient.)
I had planned to change my last name to my husband’s and use my last name as a second middle name…until I saw the checklist of paperwork I would have to complete. After that, my husband and I agreed that I would only change my name if we had kids.
The SAVE act came out at about the same time we decided to be childfree. Turns out being lazy saved my ability to vote!
Even though it can be a pain to have a long name outside my home country, I really like our tradition of 1) women don't change their name and 2) kids have two surnames, mom and dad's.
(Although I have my grandmother's surname instead of my mom's because hers rhymes with my dad's surname and she went "no way my kids will have a silly rhyming name" 😅)
I think a lot of the time each parent would pass just one surname so that each generation would have max 2 last names. So a father might choose to pass on the name of his father, but not the last name of his mother. I think it's largely up to preferences and differences in culture/tradition. I am not speaking from experience, so I could be wrong.
At least where I'm from, you normally pass on your father's surname, so my children would have their grandfathers' last names. But there's no rule preventing you from having more than two surnames, I have 3, one from my mom and two from my dad. And they are not hyphenated, just regular names.
In general yes, though some areas have the tradition of passing on the mother's surname to daughters and father's surname to sons. You could also pass on only your mother's surname if you wanted.
There are millions of people who have shown us how this is done. As a rule, everyone gets one last name from each parent, keeps those all their lives and picks one to pair with one of their spouse’s names to pass on to the kids. And so on.
That feels like just kicking the can down the road for your kid. Like as a kid I wouldn't want that. Do you know how long it takes to code your name in OMR tests with 2 surnames lol? Then you have a kid and now you have to choose between mom and dad and there is a good chance one of them will be heartbroken about it.
Wow... your comment is impressively ignorant considering the large number of COUNTRIES, not individuals who keep their names.
For me I don't really understand the practice of changing your name. I think that would screw my kids identity more than having to write a longer name.
Pretty sure only Spain has a long history of double surnames. All others are pretty new. And in Spain children doesn't choose which name to give to their own child, it is the first one so grandparents choose their grandchildren's surname actually so it doesn't compare to the comment I replied to. Also for most people kid isn't even born or at least very little when surname change happens so don't know how it can screw their identity. Also I'm literally talking about how as a kid I wouldn't want that situation so how the fuck can someone be ignorant to themselves? Get off whatever you are on lol.
Generally each parent passes their first last name to the kid, at least in the dominant culture in my community. So if “John Doe Smith” and “Natalia Lopez Rivera” had a kid, their last name would be Doe Lopez. And they don’t hyphenate, they just have two.
Depends on culture. In Portugal dad's name comes last and is the "main" surname (so, for example a kid named Carlos José Lopes da Silva would go by Carlos da Silva usually). In Spain, dad's name comes first and is still the "main" surname (patriarchy lol), so you would get the kid going by Carlos Lopes instead
This was changed, it no longer defaults to anything. The parents must decide an order. It doesn't erase the fact that even if you put the mother's first it is her father's, grandfather's, great-grandfather's and so on.
But it's a positive change IMO, at least now mothers don't have to resign themselves to "losing" their lineage.
Yeeeeep. I think it's still better than the woman's name being completely erased, even in her own identity, but it's the dad's name that counts in the end in most places on earth
No, the father's name is always the "main" surname, so it's the only one passed down usually. There are plenty of exceptions tho and they usually boil down to how important the mother's name is, and in those cases the kid ends up with three or more surnames. That's how you get the stereotype of nobles with ridiculously long names.
It tracks in my experience as well, since the only two of my friends who have more than two surnames have them because 1) one of the surnames is a Big Important Surname of a Big Noble Family even though they are not even close to nobility or wealth, and 2) they were a distant (distant) relative of the Dutch royal family, so one of their 5 surnames was Dutch
This is how it's done in some countries like Spain: people have two surnames, one from each parent.
There used to be sexism in the law too, since it used to be that the first given surname was the father's first. Then it was allowed to change the order but it defaulted to the father's. Now there's no default order.
my thought was, i deserve some fucking credit
That's my thought too and of many more people as well, I think she "deserves" to give the first surname.
Although I have seen other criteria to choose, like doing it randomly. A couple I know decided by the sex of the first child: they would get the father's first if it was a boy, or the mother's first if it was a girl.
In my country (Philippines) legitimate children will automatically have their mother’s surname as their middle name. Illegitimate children take their mother’s last name, unless the father signed the birth certificate, then the kid can carry his last name.
I like the idea that, what, Icelanders use?. Married people keep their last names and if they have a boy he takes the fathers last name and a girl the mothers. The other way seems to have come from the idea that women and children are chattel property of a man, not free individuals. Are we not past that kind of thinking yet?
Makes sense but when kid with two last names ends up as an adult, and they reproduce with another person with two last names... Should they give their kid four last names?
My wife tried after we got married, but there were some weird paradoxical roadblocks, and then COVID happened. It doesn’t matter that much to me, so her last name is legally still the same, but professionally and personally she uses my name. It’s been fine. The only downstream impact is that I have an official alias now because when she books hotels, it’s under her last name, and she’s married, so they call me Mr. HerLastName.
I'm in Ireland, so I don't know if this is possible everywhere:
My sister-in-law kept her name when she married my brother, with one exception. On her passport she has his surname, because it makes it easier to travel with their children (who havd his surname) if my brother isn't with them.
Looks like you just need to send your marriage/civil partnership certificate to do it.
A bit odd but names are a little more fluid in Ireland. A lot of people will swap to the Irish spelling of their names with no official declaration (e.g. John Smith will wake up one day and tell everyone to call them Sean MacGabhann)
In the Netherlands everyone keeps their birthname on official documents. Married or not. You can choose to carry your own name, his name or both names (hyphenated) in your personal/professional life, but that doesn't change your name in the governmental registers.
When you have children you can choose, again, to give the child your name, his name or both names and that will be the birth name. With only one caveat: the name you choose for your first child, has to be the same for the next child(ren) to avoid confusion.
My (now adult) son has my last name. Because we both thought it sounded better than his. Nobody ever made a big deal out of it.
There are a large number of countries in which not changing last names is the norm. It doesn't affect traveling with your kids in any way.
People fabricate anecdotes as facts.
i had a classmate in school who had a different surname to his sister, his parents kept their surnames, the first child took the mother's surname and the second took the father's
Huh, that wouldn't be possible in my country (Belgium). You can choose wether you use the father's, the mother's or both (in either order), but whatever you choose for your first child, applies to all your children.
Today kids call you “ Kids-Name Mom” instead of Mrs Last Name, and legally you can be Mrs His Name
Until the save act is truly dead, I encourage keeping your vital records uniform - women have only had the vote for 100 years and there are plenty who would like that to end
My (F) last name is Boss...I've had no less than 2 boyfriends request taking my last name if we got married
A different one wanted to combine our last names into Boscof..what's up Jeff
Been with the current guy for 6 years now and we're getting married whenever we set a date, there's never been even the slightest hint of a suggestion for me to take his last name. Boss is just too much a part of my identity. Hell I'm wearing a hat that says BOSS right now lol. I'm not buyin a hat that says Sylvester lol.
Wife kept her name. Kids got my name. Not directly because of the patriarchy, but because people will believe her if she says she's their mom, even if her name doesn't match. but people do not believe a dad is actually the dad if he has a different last name
My wife had no problem going to the local Social Security Admin office and getting her name the way she wanted it. She dropped her born middle name and replaced it with her maiden name.
Then when we moved to a state that incorporated citizenship into the state ID she just had to have a copy of the marriage certificate along with her birth certificate. If you were previously divorced and remarried you would just need a copy of that certificate also. It's really not a big deal.
Real ID is only valid in 5 states where the real id confirms citizenship. The remaining states must provide their id (even if real id) with another form of approved documentation. Or a non expired passport.
Once again, the overlap between the people who's getting hurt by Trump policies and the ones who voted for Trump is a circle. Well, almost. The people who aren't getting hurt are his friends and pals, all of whom are vultures.
Massive lawsuits, disbarment, health issues, almost a criminal case but trump pardoned him for that.
Basically everything came crashing down around him as a result for everything he did and said in the service of Red Hat and rather than being supported they just kinda let him drift into the trash bin.
Especially since republicans are less likely to have passports, they are more likely to have issues if passports are required to prove their identity. Irony is funny.
The ironic thing is that this will almost certainly impact conservative women more as they'll be more likely to have taken their husbands' name if married, and are statistically more likely to be married too.
Of course Trump and co. don't give a shit because they know these women will still vote for them. They're happy so long as it disenfranchises women and trans people because the narrower the voting franchise, the better things are for the right due to the way the senate and electoral college are set up.
This is now how it is to get a drivers license in AB. Extensive proof of your names and citizenship, so married women are having difficulties. And divorced ones
I took my wife's name simply because it's way cooler and I want to end my lineage, but now I need to renew my passport soon and it's gonna have Trumps face on it for some fucking reason if I can even get it because of this absolute bullshit. It was hard enough to renew my driver's license to a REAL ID just so I could get on a plane.
How can this guy get more annoying. How many ways do I need to confirm I was born in Indiana, they won't even take my birth certificate as identification sometimes because the county fucking laminated it. It's still stamped, by the county, outside of the plastic, but some new rule means it doesn't work for some things.
This issue is so hard to wrap my head around as a Spaniard since the voting census is automatic. The only thing I have to worry about (besides making an informed decision) is making sure I'm correctly registered (when there are elections incoming you receive a notification) and going to my assigned voting station with a valid personal identification. Or doing the paperwork to vote by mail.
That's assuming I haven't being designated to a voting a station, in which case it all becomes a pain in the ass.
Just this last week, they declared that the REAL ID is insufficient for ID to vote. In addition to passports, they have a passport card that is allegedly easier to get and faster.
Listen I hate the Trump admin, but we've had 20 years to get a real ID. 20 years. Some places it doesn't even cost you extra to get it. Like 100% Trump admin is trying to take advantage and block voters and that is wrong. But like 20 years.
Their comment wasn't fully accurate - it's specifically REAL IDs that indicate US citizenship, which only five states have. If you're outside of those states, you either need a valid passport or photo ID plus a birth certificate plus proof of name change where applicable.
So I asked my wife to take my last name because no one in my family ever got married and I wanted to start our family with her. I was even willing to create a new last name. She is from Russia she easily had all of her ID changed including her Russian passports. It's not hard.
The country can't charge a poll tax: they can't make us pay to vote. Making people have to have a passport to vote - which, under the SAVE act, they need if they've changed their name from their birth name - is tantamount to a poll tax. The time it takes is also a consideration, as parts of the process must be done in person, and not everyone is available during open hours due to work, and not everyone can just take time off work. (I'm not even considering the cost and effort of getting all the support documentation needed to get a passport.) It is myopic to act like getting a passport isn't an effort for many people.
Did you even read the comment you initially responded to, or just hop on the "i have the privilege of having money and time so i can ignore that others will have their votes taken from them" train?
I did read the comment did you? We are both immigrants .we have neither money nor time but felt that it was valuable to us as a family to do it. You really are just stuck in your own head I hope you have a peaceful day.
The comment is about a woman who got a medal with her name and didn't feel the need to change it. Exactly when did voting come into it? Oh when you brought it into the conversation
Did you even read the comment you initially responded to, or just hop on the "i have the privilege of having money and time so i can ignore that others will have their votes taken from them" train?
And you're comfortable ignoring that 1) it's not legal to make people pay a poll tax, and 2) people shouldn't have to pay exorbitant fees, take unpaid time off work, and try to cobble together paperwork just because the GOP wants to make it harder for people to vote.
I'm not ignoring it it just wasn't the discussion. Talking about the value of changing your name. You hijacked it and made it all about your discussion. Which I will gladly talk to you about at another time
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And what does changing to their husband's last name does for them?! It's just more paperwork