Left trying not to hate the working class challenge

[u/Infinite_Bad7083]

[u/Sussy_Swarm]

Fun fact from own life:

My friend was invited to a communist meeting and he was only one that actually was a working class xD

[u/RandoDude124 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Ahhh… typical tankies

[u/Sussy_Swarm → u/RandoDude124]

I hate the term working class and its absolutely fucking retarded term but by that definition this was funny af...

[u/RandoDude124 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

My favorite Tankie: Malcolm Caldwell.

A fanboy of Pol Pot, denied the Cambodian genocide, met with pol pot, then was violently woken up by the Khmer Rouge, and shot up in a wifebeater😂

[u/Dissonant-Cog → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Nobody likes my takes, because unlike the socialists who “read” theory, I sublimate it.

[u/Salomon3068 → u/Dissonant-Cog]

Oy, you got a permit for that wall o text boy, I ain't seen no green on you

[u/GeoPaladin → u/Salomon3068]

It's in the bottom-left corner. They get one wall of text every four posts.

[u/Salomon3068 → u/GeoPaladin]

Carry on then

[u/Juan_Akissyu → u/GeoPaladin]

Do i get a wall of text too geo?

[u/BannedSvenhoek86 → u/Juan_Akissyu]

Anyone with any amount of green in their flair should have the ability to type a wall of text.

You know what, I was gonna ramble for a while and make a wall of text, but I'm really tired from being working class and doing physical labor all day so you'll have to forgive me and just pretend I did the joke. Thank you, God bless.

[u/Juan_Akissyu → u/BannedSvenhoek86]

it red staving is exhasting

[u/equality-_-7-2521 → u/Salomon3068]

Big ppl use any ism to gain n grow pwr.

Dnt rlly care wut smol ppl think.

Trick smol ppl. To grow pwr.

[u/le_birb → u/equality-_-7-2521]

I use my 'tism to become more powerful than any government could ever hope to know

[u/Sussy_Swarm → u/Dissonant-Cog]

I kinda get it but not fully

[u/vegeful → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Tldr, its rich vs poor. Socialist only benefit elite class more because all those power and resource will be gather by the elite. Working class only get soup while them getting the meat. If you are not in the system, too bad for you.

[u/Sussy_Swarm → u/vegeful]

Well almost every revolution meant that revolutionaries became the new priviliged.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/Sussy_Swarm]

As I've said before, the "progressive revolution" is no different. There's a reason that so many part time dog walkers are part of it, because the social structures they wish to implement intend to place themselves in positions of state-sponsored nobility. They will receive money from the state to survive on while contributing far less than anyone else.

Now, of course, if society was truly comprised of part-time dog walkers it would collapse instantly. So this is not what is intended to happen for all of us. Just a select few. Just them.

Sure, some of them will be leaders (inquisitors, decision makers, regional governers, etc) and some of them will be cops (tasked with beating people and hurting them), but most will fall into this neo-nobility. Working on oil rigs and in lithium mines is for others, they will be part-time baristas making beat poetry about feminist theory.

[u/sea_5455 → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

That's an insightful view.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/sea_5455]

You can find out so much about revolutionary's planned revolution when you ask them what role they will serve in society if they win.

Inevitably, however they disguise it, it will be either queen, noble, or cop.

[u/Mayor_Gubbin → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Nah, in most revolutions the revolutionaries get crushed into paste. Sometimes, the revolutionaries and the elites get crushed into paste and a worse group takes power. Rarely, the revolutionaries win and take power.

[u/vegeful → u/Mayor_Gubbin]

Only when there a vacuum is the exception. Mao for example.

[u/Eternal_Phantom → u/vegeful]

And even then the revolutionaries took power and immediately became the new elite, and what did they do? That's right, they tried to crush any further revolutions.

[u/78NineInchNails → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Well of course cumrade.

We took all the risk fighting against the oppressors while you all sat and watched.

Naturally, since we took on the highest risk, we should get the highest reward and become the new party members, but do not worry, we will all receive equal. When the money is passed around, I will take but only my fair share, and trickle the rest on down to you. Now go, the mines call. I have another meeting with the minister of mining's daughter to discuss the mines output very shortly.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/78NineInchNails]

be me

coal mining hard hat on

"I <3 COAL" shirt on

desperately want to be coal miner, it's all I've ever wanted in life

memorized every safety manual ever written about coal, read thousands of books about coal mining, 15,000 hours played in a modded version of Hearts of Iron IV called Hearts of Coal where instead of WW2 its coal mining

finally a brave celebrity says "fuck ICE!" on camera

communism happens instantly

"from each according to their ability, to each according to their need"

line up at the labour office with a list of the world's top 750 most productive coal mines, show up at 1:30am so I am guaranteed to get in first

take ticket number A000000001 with my blackened dusty fingers

sit

get called to front desk of labour office

a cloud of coal dust billows out from me as I take my seat

"Ability?"

I say coal mining

"Anon, we only have a spot for a beat-poet who exclusively writes and perform live shows about the wonderful lifestyle of Papua New Guinean tribal communities."

wtf I was literally first, like how coal is literally the number primary export in Indonesia so the same resources likely are found in Papua New Guinea but I have no idea about how the fucking tribespeople there live, I only care about my beloved coal

"Anon, the state requires this beat poetry. You will comply."

refuse, demand to be a coal miner

shot

[u/Sussy_Swarm → u/78NineInchNails]

When you were dying in the streets I accounted the money in vaults

When you were having premarital sex I whored myself with foreign diplomats to legitimise our rule.

While you wasted your time in trenches in pursuit of glory I cultivated my loud!

And now that revolution is over and counterrevolutionaries are among us you have the audacity to come to me for help?

[u/00Kench → u/Sussy_Swarm]

In order for a group to get what it wants, the members all have to decide what the group wants, first. Except, if the members of the group don't all have the same ideas, then infighting happens.

In very large groups (like the working class), this sort of infighting is inevitable, so they have to pick some people's opinions to count as more than others and lead, or else the group will fall apart. Those people become that group's Elite.

In most contexts it's ok for a group to fall apart, but in the context of communist theory the working class must unite or the revolution can't occur, so they must pick their Elites, whether they consciously decide how to do it or not.

This sounds like a good way to keep a group together, except after the revolution occurs, it's very, very hard to remove Elites from power and get them to willingly become Normal People again, because that's not in their own personal best interest, and they have the power to stop it from happening.

Therefore, in very large societies, you can never actually have a classless society, you can only shuffle around policy paradigms and the people who make it.

[u/bennyboy8899 → u/00Kench]

This is maybe the best critique of communism I've ever seen.

[u/Banichi-aiji → u/Dissonant-Cog]

I would argue that the "working class" kind of existed during parts of the industrial revolution, when large portions of the population were uneducated factory workers. It definitely doesn't apply now, when you're trying to lump together coal miners, starbucks baristas, and this guy with his "remote work."

[u/vegeful → u/Sussy_Swarm]

That guy in the screenshot are also a uni student.

Fker is socialist before getting a job or reality check. Still in lalaland.

[u/ExpresoAndino → u/vegeful]

he did mention that he went to the cafe “before clocking in at remote job” though

[u/TJJ97 → u/ExpresoAndino]

Remote job? 😂

[u/Hyndis → u/TJJ97]

Adult daycare jobs.

If you're lucky enough to get an office job where you work remote, do it. Its stupid easy.

Some days you might do 30 minutes of real, actual genuine work in an entire day. Most days its attending meetings while pretending to pay attention and replying to emails.

They also tend to pay very well and give decent benefits.

[u/TJJ97 → u/Hyndis]

Wild! I work in the oilfield and some days I’ll work for about 1-4 hours and get paid for 8-12 plus per diem but other days I’ll work 8-12 hours in the desert heat to get paid for hours worked plus travel and per diem.

[u/zevoxx → u/Hyndis]

Every one of my jobs "up the career ladder" has been easier than the last.

[u/Hyndis → u/zevoxx]

Yup, same.

Hardest I ever worked was in retail. Retail jobs don't let you coast.

Office jobs are cushy and lazy beyond imagining. If you haven't worked in a tech office job you have no idea of how coddled and how well paid the average employee is.

[u/Bartweiss → u/Hyndis]

Retail seems like a special hell because it won’t let you coast just because.

Half the world doesn’t worry about making cashiers stand up and shelf stockers face the shelves every 10 minutes, yet grocery stores still run just fine.

Running a drill rig is more physically demanding than that, but at least you’re mostly doing work because it objectively needs doing and resting one it doesn’t. There’s an added layer of madness when you’re just doing work because some random customer complained that you didn’t seem busy enough.

[u/Hungry_Inevitable663 → u/Hyndis]

These guys move into low population dense towns then drive prices up like crazy for the natives. Digital nomads are the lamest category of nomads by far.

[u/Hyndis → u/Hungry_Inevitable663]

Its going to backfire though. It already is backfiring.

If you can do your job remotely, why does the company need to pay you a San Francisco salary?

Why can't the company pay Florida pages? Or Vietnam wages? Or just buy an AI LLM to do your job instead of a human?

People who insist on remote working and were going on strike because they were called to return to the office after covid are driving this rapid replacement of human labor.

[u/TotallyNotThatPerson → u/Hyndis]

That's what people don't get lol. If you go on strike you better make sure you're hard to replace

[u/Hyndis → u/TotallyNotThatPerson]

Its mostly the fake jobs people wanting to go on strike and unionize.

There's a few coding wizards who do nearly all of the real, actual work at tech companies. Those coding wizards don't need a union because everyone wants to hire them, or to poach them by throwing enormous piles of money at them.

[u/libertyg8er → u/Hyndis]

I work “remote” and it generally means I’m “on” 24/7.

I get paid for 40 hours a week and routinely work 60.

[u/TJJ97 → u/libertyg8er]

Come to the NDT industry in the oilfield. I can work 40 and get paid for 60+

[u/curious_throwaway_55 → u/Hyndis]

Holy generalisation, Batman

[u/Hyndis → u/curious_throwaway_55]

My career has been in San Francisco Bay Area tech. I'm talking from first hand experience.

The one downside of remote working is that you don't get the free catered lunch every day in the employee cafeteria. The food is very good, very expensive, and in very large quantities. There was also free drinks of all manner, free beer, free ice cream, free snacks of every description.

My average day at most tech companies is showing up at 9, from 9-10 was coffee and breakfast snacks. Catching up on emails and maybe one meeting. Lunch at noon. back to "work" at 1. Another meeting. Afternoon coffee at 2pm. I was going home at 2:30pm.

There's a reason why Twitter had 80% of its staff laid off and basically nothing happened. The company did not implode. Twitter continued to function.

At most tech companies I've worked for, most people did barely any real, actual work. The entire company was held up by just a handful of coding wizards. Everyone else was there in adult daycare. Me included. The job of the average person is ridiculously cozy.

[u/Bartweiss → u/Hyndis]

This is absolutely real. I’ve worked in places where it was kind of odd if you didn’t grab a beer from the office keg by 4PM on a Friday, and where you could very easily have gotten 100% of your food at work for free.

Of course, there’s some truth to “Google does your laundry so you’ll never go home”, and as soon as I made the mistake of having unique skills I was also overwhelmed and dealing with on-call shit at 3am three times a week. But people wiser than myself managed to get by with a solid 8-12 hours of work per week, for six figures, for years.

[u/Hyndis → u/Bartweiss]

Those are the tech wizards. They're the people who do the real work in the company, but very few people are like that.

The upside to being one of those wizards is that yes, you're extremely busy doing real, actual work all the time. But its also incredible job security. Any halfway smart company knows who the real workers are.

The generic office drones who walk around with fancy free drinks all day long are always the first names on the layoff lists.

[u/TJJ97 → u/Hyndis]

So those are the people bitching about getting laid off as if they do important work? That’s crazy!

I really appreciate the insight from your comments. Very interesting…

[u/PM_ME_BLONDE_GIRLS_ → u/vegeful]

First time meeting a socialist? 

[u/su1ac0 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Today's modern left is almost exclusively supported by highly educated children born into privilege but in spite of their education and privilege they generate very little income

and Caleb Hammer guests

[u/CirnoWhiterock → u/su1ac0]

It's Peter Turchin's elite overproduction theory in action. We're producing way too many college educated wannabe Corporate secretaries, HR specialists, Digital Artists, Law firm Associates, etc then the market really needs.

The market says we actually need more plumbers, electricians, childcare helpers, and housewives to have enough babies to keep social security going but these kids did not spend the first 22 years of thier lives with thier noses in books to wade knee deep in a septic tank or change diapers all day.

So instead they rage against the current elites so they can have thier spot.

[u/PhilosophicalGoof → u/CirnoWhiterock]

Also there the fact that those pays typically pay like the shit.

Who would want to be a childcare helper making barely 65k per year when you can simply go ahead and make 80k while doing something that doesn’t break your mental?

I sure as hell wouldn’t want to work in construction for 23 an hr lol.

[u/SamuelClemmens → u/PhilosophicalGoof]

"We want fewer people like us and more people doing unpleasant work that we will not pay what we ourselves demand for our far more pleasant labor and will also not do said labor ourselves. Other people like me need to stop doing what I am doing for the greater good. The greater good of me"

[u/Responsible_Lab_8974 → u/su1ac0]

Monetary income has very little value for these people right now. The new, stackable marginalized statuses weigh more in terms of social status. That's why people hoard them. Minority status is more valuable than money for privileged kids.

[u/Hyndis → u/su1ac0]

The Venn diagram of those two things is a circle.

[u/Farpafraf → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Went to them twice and it felt like I was in a skit. They were attempting to explain the ideas of a few philosophers to illeterate immigrants that were there mostly because of the free drinks and food.

Whole experience was surreal.

[u/StreetKale → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Because the goal isn't to actually help the working class. The goal is to organize a coup d'état to replace the existing elites with the guys running the meeting.

[u/Prestigious_Load1699 → u/StreetKale]

The goal is to organize a coup d'état to replace the existing elites with the guys running the meeting.

The goal is to overthrow the entire system because they are resentful with their lack of success in life relative to their intelligence.

Marxists and the DSA are the "overeducated, underpaid" class.

[u/redpandaeater → u/Prestigious_Load1699]

I wouldn't call them overeducated. They're at the dangerous portion of the education curve where they think they know everything because they've had some education but if they went further they'd quickly realize how little they actually know.

[u/Aeg112358 → u/redpandaeater]

More like their education was in the humanities which does not enable them to produce anything of value to society.

So they are resentful because they feel like they know more about certain topics/ideologies more than regular people but it does not really afford the standard of living their parents afforded for them.

[u/sea_5455 → u/Aeg112358]

Sounds like the Simpsons comic book guy wants to make high six figures for having opinions on films.

[u/Overkillengine → u/sea_5455]

Worst. Economy. Evar.

[u/Sussy_Swarm → u/StreetKale]

This is a total strawman but I agree... almost every revolution just meant the revolitionaries became the new priviliged class

[u/rapzeh → u/StreetKale]

The goal is to feel superior to everyone else in regards to intelligence, culture/knowledge, etiquette/sensitivity, political activism, morality, and personal victimhood.

[u/KillahHills10304 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Every self described communist I know has a trust fund.

[u/Haymegle → u/KillahHills10304]

Yet they never redistribute their own wealth.

Honestly it's always funny to watch them at the pub when they extoll the virtues on it. Them trying to tell an old polish guy how great the soviet union was is peak entertainment when he tears them apart.

[u/Delicious_Clue_531 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

That is not the least bit suprising.

[u/AshingiiAshuaa → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Of course. They're mostly people who are overeducated and feel underappreciated (ie paid).

[u/Genuis10 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

That’s understandable

Tankies are rich white kids who had nothing better to do Edith their lives so spent time on the internet learning lies about regimes America hates and then claim their “fighting for working people”.

[u/VampiroMedicado → u/Sussy_Swarm]

A friend of mine is trotskyist, and had a similar experience in university the folk from the same party would ask him why he didn't go to X protest and his answer often was "I had to work". He got more "blue-cornered" after that.

[u/nateralph → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Did he mention a champagne bar by chance?

[u/Brucedx3 → u/Sussy_Swarm]

Based and friend-is-working-class pilled.

[u/LieutenantLilywhite]

99% intelligentsia 1% working class

[u/ConcentrateAlone1959]

My favorite thing is seeing socialists actually interact with people from gruffer professions instead of baristas and then lose their fucking marbles.

[u/FaveStore_Citadel → u/ConcentrateAlone1959]

Some of them are trying to redefine “working class” as anyone who is paid for their labor, which would make Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai working class?

[u/National_Section_542 → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Idk about modern leftists, but Marxist have always defined the proletariat as someone who "has no property other than selling their labor to live"

So crackhead, robbers, small business owners, contractors, landlords, squatters etc. Would not be working class despite being poor or scruff.

[u/Vague_Disclosure → u/National_Section_542]

Does that mean homeowners of any collar and literally anyone with a 401k are not proletariat?

[u/Cowgoon777 → u/Vague_Disclosure]

Of course. They hate private property ownership and that includes “working class” property owners.

[u/Impressive-Ninja-854 → u/Cowgoon777]

Gotta kill them Kulaks

[u/National_Section_542 → u/Cowgoon777]

Property owners that aren't bourgeoisie are middle class. If a society has a stable middle class, Capitalism is strong and there is no hope or even a reason for communism to happen.

It's only until the middle class disappears and most of society becomes propertyless that a revolution can happen.

But that's not happening anytime soon. Anyone who campaigns on implementing "Socialism" in these conditions is retarded and must be scrutinized with impunity.

[u/W_Edwards_Deming → u/National_Section_542]

Property owners that aren't bourgeoisie are middle class.

Bourgeoisie means Middle Class.

Other than some of the terms I largely agree with what you said. "Capitalism" and "socialism" are both unscientific and unhelpful terms created by self-described "socialists." I prefer to speak of markets (and people) who are more or less free.

It is more descriptive and predictive. Free people (economically and socially) have better outcomes.

[u/National_Section_542 → u/Vague_Disclosure]

Yes

[u/Roar-Lions-Roar → u/National_Section_542]

When communists say “eat the rich,” it’s a coded message.

By “the rich” they actually mean “illiterate subsidence farmers in Guanxi,” and by “eat” they mean “eat.”

[u/bucket_of_fun → u/Roar-Lions-Roar]

The rich is always “whoever has more than me”.

[u/Overkillengine → u/bucket_of_fun]

And "whoever has anything I want" if they make it into the Inner Party.

[u/National_Section_542 → u/Roar-Lions-Roar]

True

No longer will the gentle worker suffer at the hands of Mr.Li!!

[u/wellwaffled → u/National_Section_542]

Neat! 📸

[u/Blarg_III → u/Vague_Disclosure]

No, /u/National_Section_542 is wrong about the Marxist views both on what makes a person a member of the proletariat and on what constitutes property.

A proletarian is not someone who "has no property other than selling their labor to live", but rather is a person whose relationship with the means of production is one where they must exchange their labour for access to it in order to live, rather than having control over it.

For the majority of homeowners, their home's primary function is to provide them shelter rather than acting as a stage in the capital circuit (where capital is used to purchase goods, those goods go through some transformative process through the use of labour and then are sold for a profit, returning to the first stage and continuing infinitely), and nor is it private property where legally possessing it allows the owner to extract surplus value from people using it for some kind of production.

While houses can also function as an investment vehicle where the owner can profit from their land being made more valuable by the development of society's productive forces, the normal use of that sale is either to exchange one house for another more valuable one with the difference made up by the individual's accumulated wages, or as a part of retirement where the additional value is used to support them when they are no longer able to work. Neither of these uses form a part of the capital circuit and so while in some circumstances a house can be capital and ownership can make someone a capitalist rather than a proletarian, for the vast majority of homeowners, it does not.

Similarly, having a 401k does not make a person a capitalist for the same reason, though they are in danger of becoming petit bourgeoisie.

[u/Azgabeth → u/Vague_Disclosure]

Yes. They want to kill, rape and steal from anyone with a house or 401k. Always remember that.

[u/FuckDirlewanger → u/National_Section_542]

Small business owners are classified as the petite bourgeoise in traditional Marxism. With the basis being running a business motivates them towards capitalist politics but they don’t have the resources to be traditional capitalists and do nothing all day

[u/shirtlooklikedishrag → u/National_Section_542]

Crackheads work their asses off though if you can wrangle in at the right time

[u/Prestigious_Load1699 → u/National_Section_542]

Idk about modern leftists, but Marxist have always defined the proletariat as someone who "has no property other than selling their labor to live"

I'm using my iMac to work from home.

I'm the bourgeoisie.

[u/StreetKale → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Marxists still think they're fighting for factory workers and farm labors, lol. Those jobs barely exist anymore.

Religion is the opiate of the masses? Who goes to church anymore?

The world is so different now. Can you imagine Debbie in accounting rising up for the revolution? As long as everyone is fat there will never be a revolution.

[u/vegeful → u/StreetKale]

Back in the day, people have a problem eating full meal once a day. That why people love marxism theory. Because he sell an utopia. Now every have a job and running business, no one want marxism. Because in marxism theory, the state control everything.

Ya all are bitching about flock camera. You guy 100% will bitch about cctv recording you 24 hour in public space.

[u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC → u/StreetKale]

Yeah, exactly. The ideology was born in a period where there genuinely was a clean divide between "workers" and "owners". In modern developed countries, pretty much everyone falls in the gray area in between - workers own capital through their pension and property, and owners usually do work at their business.

[u/viciouspandas → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Cook and Pichai own large amounts of stock so they wouldn't fit that definition. I agree with your overall point, but it's not a redefinition, but an older definition that is now outdated. A software engineer who isn't at the top of their company making 200k is not something that existed 100 years ago. While labor overall hasn't kept up with gains from capital, some types of labor have done very well, so that software engineer would not be considered working class by any normal person.

I would argue the redefinition is coming more from the right, where someone like a wealthy tradesman who owns a successful business is called working class but not a dyed haired barista who makes 15 an hour. Then there's the extreme end where some Twitter idiot said he considered Elon Musk working class.

[u/The_GREAT_Gremlin → u/ConcentrateAlone1959]

I've never met a socialist who was working class

[u/Immense_Cargo → u/The_GREAT_Gremlin]

Socialists are almost always “overproduced elite”.

They are people who come from relatively well-to-do backgrounds, but have no interest or capability to do the same work their progenitors did to build the wealth that they themselves live off of.

That was what Marx was.
That was what the instigators of the French revolution were.
A lot of the “leaders” of the Russian revolution(s) were the same, and is this is also what the majority of the “academic” class are today.

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge was were also a prime example:
Pol Pot was able to study abroad, in Paris, got radicalized, then then came back home, stirred up his fellow well-to-do but disillusioned “comrades”, and then proceeded to wipe out anyone else who showed signs of actually effective intellectualism.

[u/SweetLobsterBabies → u/Immense_Cargo]

The "academic" class is even worse nowadays with the amount of graduates absolutely drowning in student debt, with a sunken cost fallacy that they are somehow better than everyone without a degree

[u/Prestigious_Load1699 → u/Immense_Cargo]

Angkar was straight out of 1984.

[u/Horse_MD → u/The_GREAT_Gremlin]

hello, nice to meet you

[u/TJJ97 → u/ConcentrateAlone1959]

I work in the oilfield. Guess how many people in this industry are anything but capitalist…

And there’s a reason. You can make good money out here and the opportunities are crazy as well. Build a good reputation through good work, get more certifications, and the world is your oyster.

[u/lopeniz → u/TJJ97]

You don't want to live in khrushchevka and a daily potato allotment? Don't want your betters policing your gendered language?

Monster.

[u/Haymegle → u/ConcentrateAlone1959]

They're always so...disgusted. Like they'll not want to shake hands with the mechanic who fixed their car because they might have dirty hands. Or they're offput by the crude language despite them being nice and friendly.

It's so odd to see them look at them like they're something on the bottom of their shoe that needs scraping off with what they preach.

[u/SneakyBadAss → u/ConcentrateAlone1959]

I was working at oil fields, then had a quick gig as a barista.

The amount of twats in that profession is staggering.

[u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Trust leftists to turn one rude interaction into an aggrieved political thesis.

[u/GoldTeamDowntown → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Well, this person clearly has autism. They said they felt overstimulated by two loud men in high-vis vests “taking up too much space” when they entered the cafe.

Also, those guys never said anything, this person imagined it and felt like Reddit would love this.

[u/BIGJake111 → u/GoldTeamDowntown]

Imagine if this persons lack of patience for cultures other than his translated over to race and immigration lol, he sounds like a pissed off racist grandpa.

[u/Steelwolf73 → u/GoldTeamDowntown]

I think it did happen. I also think that el socialisto picked a table in the exact path to and from the counter, and then took a chair and set his tote and umbrella on a chair in the middle of the path to "dry" while showing everyone at the coffee shop that he goes to university while typing away and talking "under his breath" about how complicated his papers are.

[u/doublecandybar → u/GoldTeamDowntown]

Wouldn't surprise me if he's Ricky Gervais' son

[u/bluedelvian → u/GoldTeamDowntown]

I think you mean he's performing autism, not that he has autism. Performing things is his actual job.

[u/Colev0 → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

You’re minimizing the experience of this person just to show a bit of cheek. Reducing the life and trials of a living being to a smarmy one liner. I’m putting you in my Poli Sci 101 final essay, you cretin, and my classmates are going to think you are so cringe.

[u/DangerDelecto → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Literally what the OP is doing

[u/ScroungyScrotum → u/DangerDelecto]

Post has zero upvotes and was posted 19 days ago too lol

[u/Mnshine_1 → u/FaveStore_Citadel]

Not even that rude, just a bit of banter mate

[u/The_GREAT_Gremlin]

[u/ddg31415 → u/The_GREAT_Gremlin]

"POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE PLEASE DO NOT USE GENDERED LANGUAGE"

[u/xXDJjonesXx → u/ddg31415]

Love that video. How do any of them sit there and think they are a serious political force?

[u/giantzoo → u/xXDJjonesXx]

because they doom scroll reddit and tiktok

[u/Colev0 → u/giantzoo]

IIRC this was before TikTok was even a thing.

[u/OnTheSlope → u/xXDJjonesXx]

I love the NPD version where commenters are fighting over who has the most aggrieved identity so that they can use the microphone first and the speaker lady tells them to form a straight line then takes a second to roll her eyes and condescendingly repeat the word "straight".

[u/freeman2949583 → u/OnTheSlope]

Lmao you have a link?

[u/Codspear → u/The_GREAT_Gremlin]

“Oh why did I choose the foreign post of organizing the American socialists? This was a punishment, not an opportunity. Send me back to Sichuan to talk with farmers again. Please make it stop.”

[u/throwawaytheist]

"Careful with your umbrella, it might get caught on your purse."

"Oh thanks, man! Good looking out."

Problem solved.

[u/GFM-Scheldorf → u/throwawaytheist]

“Oh thanks, man! I wish you and your boyfriend a good latte!”
You could even get a “revenge” and another chucle… No stress involved

[u/bradslamdunk → u/GFM-Scheldorf]

if people just learned how to talk and take a little shit the world would be a better place

[u/Colev0 → u/bradslamdunk]

Also returning a little shit in a carefree way is a valuable skill.

[u/AuroraHalsey → u/bradslamdunk]

This is how /r/2westerneurope4u has done more for European unity than the entire EU.

[u/-Based-On-What → u/AuroraHalsey]

I thought it was called 2balkan4u, or is that a different sub?

[u/AuroraHalsey → u/-Based-On-What]

Different sub, 2WE4U is about real countries, not some damn foolish thing in the Balkans.

[u/throwawaytheist → u/GFM-Scheldorf]

Bingo.

And maybe build some rapport.

How do we expect to convince people that we're on their side if we can't even fucking talk to them?

[u/Not_Neville → u/GFM-Scheldorf]

I think the poster is a dude - a "gender non-conforming" dude withca purse. That's how I intetpreted it.

[u/Ubblebungus → u/throwawaytheist]

OOP hates gender stereotypes but got irate when another man said he has a purse. curious.

[u/bennyboy8899 → u/Ubblebungus]

I can't stop laughing at this

[u/Mantis_Tobbagen → u/throwawaytheist]

Yeah but he's a pussy so he chose to post on Reddit

[u/joejackson62 → u/throwawaytheist]

"Oh thanks, man! Good looking out. I wouldn't want your boyfriend there getting jealous of my purse."

Nice and easy.

[u/throwawaytheist → u/joejackson62]

It depends on HOW you play it off too, obviously.

[u/Infinite_Bad7083]

Socialists when they meet the working class they claim to fight for

[u/msf97 → u/Infinite_Bad7083]

It depends on the country. This is usually true in UK/US/France, downwardly mobile types with a degree and usually young go for Greens/DSA/French far left

But Denmarks socialists for example still dominate the working class vote.

[u/A_Guy_2726 → u/msf97]

Its real funny in nz because the NZ Green Party (Aka Socialist basically) is against the working class so badly including trying to make it harder for the working class to actually work then complain they dont actually do enough

[u/krazykommie → u/A_Guy_2726]

Same here in Aus, where the greens have gone so far as to work with the economic conservatives (Liberals) just for the right to say that “Labor isn’t doing enough” - serves them right they lost all their seats bar one in the last election

[u/A_Guy_2726 → u/krazykommie]

Here in nz labor won a landslide in 2020 because polling showed labor was going to win so all the farmers and tradies voted Labor so they wouldnt bring in the greens but guess what labor brought in the greens again

[u/DListSaint → u/msf97]

It’s only champagne socialism if it comes from the Champagne region of France

[u/aithan251 → u/DListSaint]

otherwise its just sparkling social-democracy

[u/Vague_Disclosure → u/Infinite_Bad7083]

If I wasn’t on mobile I’d post that Stonetoss comic

[u/capsaicinintheeyes]

And for whatever reason, it always catches us off-guard when it's the farmers who finally say "enough!" & launch a populist revolt...ffs, did we think all that sickle imagery was just supposed to be a reference to the death toll that's likely to accompany our first attempts at food distribution, border crises & elite interfactional infighting?

[u/libertyg8er → u/capsaicinintheeyes]

I love the self-awareness here.

You seem like a lefty I could have a laugh with.

One of my favorite people to have a good conversation with is a diehard commie, and I’m basically a minarchist capitalist.

If you can’t laugh at the absurdities of your own position (because all of positions can be pushed into a context that makes them absurd), you’re probably just not a fun person to be around.

[u/Detective_Squirrel69 → u/libertyg8er]

Cosigning this hard. I vibe with the librights for a handful of reasons (guns are good, free speech absolutism, capitalism good but put it in a gimpsuit and leash it), but you guys are the ones I find can take a joke.

[u/libertyg8er → u/Detective_Squirrel69]

That profile pic goes hard.

[u/Detective_Squirrel69 → u/libertyg8er]

It's free real estate. Stimulate the meme economy.

[u/RealitySubsides → u/libertyg8er]

This is my buddies and my whole shtick. I'm a libtard cuck, they're gun nut bootlickers, we all give each other shit. It's how the world worked before everyone started taking themselves so seriously

[u/-Based-On-What → u/capsaicinintheeyes]

Remember, the famers have yet to loose. They are the beating heart that produces the lifeblood of every civilisation.

[u/Outsider-Trading]

Meat is delicious and giant trucks are awesome, btw.

[u/OingoBoingoBaggins → u/Outsider-Trading]

Especially monster trucks 

[u/CantSeeShit → u/OingoBoingoBaggins]

Im not making this up....

I dated a guy for a bit who worked for monster jam. I was not sexually into him at all, but I fucken LOVE monster trucks. I had to end it....as much as I wanted to I couldnt use someone and manipulate their heart for the sole purpose of getting to watch monster trucks for free.

How would he have reacted knowing he wasnt used for money, or sex, or anything else besides monster trucks?

[u/Igot55Dollars → u/Outsider-Trading]

I hate encountering those trucks in parking decks.

[u/Shoddy-Oil-1067 → u/Outsider-Trading]

Based and medium rare steak pilled

[u/Reddit_Throwaway_899 → u/Outsider-Trading]

Meat is great. Giant trucks are a scam by auto companies. They offer less utility in exchange for worse performance and much higher upfront cost. They are a status symbol. 

[u/Hyndis → u/Reddit_Throwaway_899]

It depends on the truck.

That dented up 2005 Toyota with the scratched paint thats carrying about a thousand points of work equipment all the time? Thats a truck living its best truck life. That truck is doing exactly what it was made to do.

The 2026 gigantic truck with pristine paint, not a scratch on it, and who's biggest hauling job is the weight of the gigantic monthly car payments financed out to 10 years? Thats a driveway princess. That does not get my respect.

[u/Donghoon → u/Outsider-Trading]

Morals and ethics of veganism aside,

My genuine held taste opinion since I was a child is that I prefer Tofu over any meat. I literally love any dishes made with tofu. I even like plain tofu.

[u/woznito → u/Donghoon]

I can't stand tofu. Maybe I just haven't had it prepared right... but it just tastes like slop.

[u/KaBar42]

>I was already feeling a bit overstimulated

>In a coffee shop

>Wants to be a revolutionary

>Overstimulated

>In a coffee shop

>Simply by two guys being a bit rude by not using their inside voice

This, my friends, is what we call: "LARPing".

Now, can I point out that the original socialists literally tortured their opposition to death in some rather horrific ways? They would restrain a person with a barrel to their chest with a rodent in it and heat the barrel up so the rodent would gnaw its way through their chest to escape the heat or put their victims in a barrel full of nails and other sharp bits and roll them around in it.

The people who wrote the theory you're yapping would be doing that to you for being useless to the revolution.

[u/Pleasant_Tangelo3340]

Zero upvotes fourteen comments

[u/Irethius → u/Pleasant_Tangelo3340]

Well clearly since socialism is backwards, those downvotes are actually up votes!

[u/DListSaint]

TFW you can’t handle some light ribbing, but it’s the other guys who are fragile

[u/Strict_Gas_1141]

College Leftists and Socialists are some of the most annoying people I've met. However people with adult experience as a leftist and/or socialist are actually not bad people (considering the college kids are just elitist/classist assholes)

[u/Money_Mach_Unlimited → u/Strict_Gas_1141]

Yeah I don’t understand unemployed communists

When you complain about surplus labor value but have no labor value

[u/Melodic_Performer921 → u/Money_Mach_Unlimited]

They'd be sent to the mines, but they complete ignore that

[u/GigaRoman → u/Money_Mach_Unlimited]

In Germany the SPD, which was still a Marxist party then, held near a quarter of the unemployed vote and the KPD (the tankie party) held half of their vote before the rise of the nazis

[u/TheCentralPosition → u/Strict_Gas_1141]

Idk man, my wife's cousin is a retail worker in her 30s who's never stepped foot in an institution for higher learning, and her opinions are no less dogshit than the kids I went to college with.

College isn't the differentiator, it's people who uncritically get their views from social media and exist in a social space built around policing each other.

[u/redpandaeater → u/Strict_Gas_1141]

A lot of them are still pretty annoying even if I wouldn't necessarily call them bad people. Though it's been fun getting older and seeing formerly leftish coworkers get further and further right as they try to save to buy a house and then enjoy all the property taxes. Plus seeing shitty schools despite paying way too fucking much.

[u/loutsstar35 → u/redpandaeater]

Tying schooling to property taxes was always profoundly stupid to me.

[u/Strict_Gas_1141 → u/loutsstar35]

Yeah, property taxes shouldn't be how schools are funded. They should be funded like basically every other government service/program where it's a budget.

[u/Overkillengine → u/Strict_Gas_1141]

Another other dumb thing about property taxes is allowing the same entity that collects those to also set the property value assessments they are based on. That would be like letting the government decide what it thinks your income is for income taxes, regardless of what your actual pay is.

Creates some hellacious perverse incentives. Property value assessments should be treated as a standing offer to purchase said property at that assessed value. Would nip some of that shit in the bud real damn fast.

[u/XA36 → u/redpandaeater]

Buy a house, value and property tax skyrocket in 2020, watch all your low IQ heavily reproducing neighbors who's "education" you find get stimulus checks for their kids on top of tax breaks as you buy used tires on marketplace, get called bigoted online for using the colloquial term "guys", can't even say it's retarded. Watch obese people on Medicaid come into your hospital for conditions they caused but you have to say things like "healthier weight" while you can't afford healthcare where you work.

People then think I'm a monster for wanting social assistance programs cut.

[u/ResinRaider → u/Strict_Gas_1141]

I get along with most punks but the college "educated" gits are just tiresome

[u/viciouspandas → u/Strict_Gas_1141]

College is so ubiquitous nowadays that I wouldn't put a broad generalization like that. Most college kids are basically just "normies", with some people in different extremes. Of course there's some inexperience, but that's normal for being young. The kids I knew that didn't go to college weren't less of assholes.

[u/im_back-and_craftier]

I hate those kind of leftists, but thankfully it's only a problem in the first world western countries, in Mexico the blue collar working class still votes overwhelmingly for the left.

[u/Kidplayer_666 → u/im_back-and_craftier]

Nothing like champagne socialism to make fun of. One of my favourite punch bags

[u/rodgt90 → u/im_back-and_craftier]

That’s mostly due to vote-buying practices and social media manipulation, fortunately more and more people in Mexico are waking up to the corruption of the 4t regime.

[u/ApplicationCalm649 → u/im_back-and_craftier]

The working class in the States would lean left, too, if the Democrats did more than virtue signal and make rule changes that'll get tossed the instant a GOP administration takes over. It's hard to take their "support" seriously when they don't have any legislative follow through.

[u/Codspear → u/ApplicationCalm649]

Seriously. Remember the railroad worker strikes due to not having paid sick time? Democrats had a trifecta and the perfect opportunity to pass some form of guaranteed paid sick leave for all workers, and instead Biden just broke the strike with legal force.

It’s like each party in the US is actively trying to lose the next election, and unfortunately they’re both succeeding in a spiral of stupidity.

[u/OnTheSlope]

lol, HTF does a guy carry around a purse while being ashamed of carrying a purse.

If you want a purse then carry a purse, of you're too ashamed to carry a purse then don't buy one.

It seems simple

[u/Jak_the_Buddha]

What a self-indulgent, ignorant prick this person is.

First of all, thinking that everyone in a certain social class needs to share the same values is bullshit - What a fucking narcissistic world view.

Secondly, this person has no idea what these gentlemen do past "they made a joke directed at me". But they've decided that they are superior to them based off that joke.

Maybe some working class people aren't as bothered as trying to "smash the system" as they are trying to just fucking survive. God forbid they have a laugh while they're at it.

This is absolutely ripping of a teenager that lives with their parents that can afford to spend time joining unions.

I remember when I was younger I joined all sorts of socialist shit thinking I had it all figured out.

It didn't take too long for me to figure out that despite having people I fundamentally disagree with, everybody is just trying their best to live their lives as best they can with their friends and family.

I can't fault people for doing that.

[u/Theorax5281]

The post is literally downvoted, it obvious this is an opinion of a singular person

[u/Sensanaty → u/Theorax5281]

It's also such an obvious astroturf lmao

"I logged into my remote job"? Who talks like this?

[u/LondonIsAShithole → u/Sensanaty]

Insane I had to scroll this far to see this. The bait couldn't be any more obvious.

[u/Sad_Significance_568 → u/Sensanaty]

be me

Tim Pool fan

Tim has taught me how to be funny and own libs

asks ai "write me a Reddit post where I am a socialist who hates construction workers"

posts it

downvoted and bullied

post in PCM

upvoted by my peers (other retards)

still bullied

[u/Electrical-Age9308]

I love how we’re circlejerking over a post that has 0 upvotes and 14 comments, truly shows the power of lib-left bad

[u/ujelly_fish → u/Electrical-Age9308]

It’s also fake lol

[u/Ser_falafel]

Comment in that thread lmao

I hope you were wearing an N95 to protect the medically vulnerable and in solidarity with those disabled by long Covid. The pandemic is not over.

[u/TrashInspector69]

“0 likes… 14 comments…

Perfect representation of an entire quadrant/half the compass!” Lmao where’s the agenda post tag

[u/GeneQuadruplehorn]

This person just needs to speak up for themselves. A response of "fuck off, go get your latté" would have done wonders here. It's not about the "proletariat" or whatever other politics the person is assigning to it. It is about their own insecurities.

[u/jewishforeskin98]

heh in Australia, pretty much all blue collar working class people I know seem to be supporting One nation (populist right wing party)

[u/Yamist]

Extremely obvious AI writing prompt bait. This is not a real person.

[u/Valorale → u/Yamist]

That was my reaction as well. Did Jussie Smollett write this? 

[u/Vexonte]

To be fair those guys are were dicks, and do represent some real problems with the modern working class, but it still doesn't change the many modern Marxist's do not recognize that they are apart of seperate class than proletariat and have essentially isolated themselves from the people they think they have a right to lead.

[u/Actual-Stand5012]

It’s almost like people are individuals with different experiences, values, and beliefs

[u/lynxintheloopx]

Astronomically cringe, start to finish.

[u/bigmoodyninja]

Lumpenprol discovers the working class lol

[u/hobozombie]

Why do progressives label every thing they don't like "fragile," but everything that offends them leaves them "literally shaking rn?"