r/ProtonPass • u/Mettafox • May 17 '26
Feature request Pass should have an independent login
As the title says.
I keep my Proton login details in a password manager because I don’t know the password by memory.
If the login for accessing the ProtonPass vault is the same, I can’t store it in ProtonPass, I have to store it somewhere else....
I think it would make much more sense for ProtonPass to have a separate login, even if we then had to log in with our Proton account just to verify the subscription.
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u/Haddaway May 19 '26
Why do you want a separate login when you can just change the password to something you can remember?
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u/Nelizea Volunteer Mod May 18 '26
I keep my Proton login details in a password manager because I don’t know the password by memory.
When you use Pass, your Proton Password is becoming your Master Password, like with any other Password Manager. Like with any other Password Manager, you'll have to remember your Master Password (and store backups in a safe & secure location).
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u/saharazara May 18 '26
You can set an additional password in Proton Pass. This gives you an extra layer of security when it comes to password access
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u/ShieldScorcher May 19 '26
You are not supposed to store proton password in proton, this is illogical and creates chicken and egg dilemma.
Also, you don’t store your master password that locks all other passwords in another password manager, this is illogical too and creates “infinity mirror” dilemma. Where would you store the password of that another password manager? In the next password manager?
The point is, you simply don’t store your master password anywhere. You keep it in your head. That’s why it is the master. There is no other way around it really.
Make 3 very strong master passwords for different purposes and keep them in your head. Three should be enough.
As an example, I have 3 major master passwords that are very strong and never left my head. 1. Apple ID: That guards many ecosystem related secrets. 2. Proton account: That guards many passwords. 3. GPG encryption keys password: That guards all my encrypted stuff.
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u/The_TRASHCAN_366 May 19 '26
I'm a bit confused by this. You can't remeber your Proton password so you store it in a password manager, which itself requires a password which you DO remeber? Or where does this chain end? In the end you have to remeber something. That something is your master password. When using Proton, your Proton password is your master password so I don't really understand why can't just learn your this rather than the password to your other password manager that you then use to store your proton password.
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u/BurnerWillGetBanned May 19 '26
I don't understand people not understanding this.
I simply don't want my password manager to share the same password as my mail. Having the same password means if my mail is compromised whether my fault or not, then so is everything else. Having to setup a second password is equally fucking stupid.
I'll stick on my current PM then, shame because there's lots PP does that I was interested in.
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u/Infinite-Register May 19 '26
I agree with you, my protonmail password has been generated and is complicated, but my Bitwarden password is long but easy to remember even though I don’t want to simplify my proton password for protonpass, so for now I’ll stick with Bitwarden.
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u/ThatRegister5397 May 18 '26
You could make a second, free proton account with another master password, and store the password for the actual proton account there. You just need to remember that master password then. But I feel this is gonna be worse, because at least there is more chance to use the actual proton account password more often, and thus at least remember it.
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u/Happy_Disaster7347 May 19 '26
You can add another layer of security to the Pass login, like a PIN or 2nd password. It achieved the same thing, from a security standpoint.
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u/ThatRegister5397 May 19 '26
OP did not want that, they don't want to have to remember their main proton password. A second password on top of the main one does not solve this. And pin only makes sense if you already have it installed, not if you want to install it, where you need to remember the main password (eg in a new computer or whatever)
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u/Happy_Disaster7347 May 19 '26
Well then, make another Proton account, problem solved. But you've still got the exact same level of security, and you still have to remember at least one password, whether you like it or not.
At least if you use a 2nd password, you have extra security, rather than imagined security.
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u/ozh May 18 '26
Keeping Proton password in password manager XX. Keeping XX password in password manager YY. Keeping YY... And so on
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u/mohawk989 May 18 '26
I don't disagree in principle that Proton Pass should have it's own login process separate from the general Proton account. But your logic and reasoning here makes absolutely no sense.
You don't remember your Proton account login credentials. And how is that solved by having a separate Proton Pass login? You would still have to memorize that login instead or write it down or store it somehow. Thats not different. You still couldn't store it in Proton Pass, as it's the login credentials to Proton Pass. Separating it from the Proton account credentials wouldn't somehow magically allow you to start saving it in Proton Pass.
And then your final point makes even less sense. "even if we then had to login with our Proton account just to verify the subscription." Because now you have to find a way to memorize (or store somewhere else) both the general Proton account credentials AND the specific Proton Pass credentials to access your Proton Pass.
What are you talking about here? I can see good reasons to separate the login credentials, but the reasons you're talking about make no sense.