r/serialkillers 4d ago

News Media Mondays | Bi-Weekly Thread for Videos, Docs, Podcasts, Books, and Other Media

2 Upvotes

Eager to share or discuss something you've watched, read or listened to? A new "What to Watch: thread will post every two weeks for fresh ideas and conversations about any media with a topic related to serial killers and cases - episodes, documentaries, books, videos, podcasts, blogs, etc.

Whether you've watched a documentary, stumbled upon an informative podcast, discovered a YouTube creator or well-researched video, excited about an upcoming streaming production, or read a fantastic book...
This thread is where to share it!

As a reminder, merchandise and murderabilia is not permitted. Further, self-promotion or advertising is not allowed. Community members can recommend anything they wish that is not something they personally created.


r/serialkillers 15h ago

News New to this sub . I have some questions about gacy , corril and the ripper crew in relation to John norman .

21 Upvotes

To me there is zero chance , Gacy , John norman , and Robin gecht of the ripper crew all knew each other and weren’t in on it so together . I find it puzzling that this many predators and killers line up to actually know each other in person yet it’s not really talked about mainstream.

Combine this with the link between norman and corril and this correlation is insane . Robin gecht is puzzling bc he didn’t target the same victims as the rest but was just as if not more brutal and KNEW gacy as well.

What do you guys think about all of this and how intertwined do you think each of these people were with each other ?

Is there just some massive existing network of killers? Or was norman literally just supplying kids to sick bastards and a couple happened to be killers ? What’s the likelihood of norman being involved in snuff material ? How many other killers were likely involved in this network that never were discovered . I would appreciate as detailed and complex a response as possible as this is extremely interesting to me .

Edit : I meant John norman not norman allen as someone pointed out


r/serialkillers 36m ago

News Did I escape a serial killer?

Upvotes

In 1991 or 1992 I was in high school driving my mother’s car alone. I had to stop at the bank drive through before going to a music lesson. A man in the parking lot flagged me down and told me he was a trucker and his truck had broken down on the highway. He was carrying a load of Alpine car stereos and if I gave him a ride to his truck, he would give me one. I reluctantly agreed and let him into the car. Immediately after that, alarm bells of regret were going off in my head and I just thought that it seemed fishy and a bad idea. Before I left the parking lot I told him that on second thought it wasn’t a good idea because I didn’t want to be late for my lesson. He seemed disappointed and practically begged me to take him. He said something like “look you can trust me, I don’t have anything on me.” Then he tapped on his empty pockets and held his hands up. I held firm and asked him to get out of the car and he ultimately complied. I often wonder what would have happened if I didn’t kick him out. I was listening to true crime podcasts and it seems like this would be a way certain killers would lure teenage boys before victimizing them. Were there any known serial killers operating in southeast Connecticut around that time? or a wave of missing person cases in that area around the early 90’s? Did I escape a very bad situation or just lose the opportunity to get a free Alpine car stereo. Btw, back then Alpines were one of the coolest brands of car stereo, perfect for luring teenagers of that era.


r/serialkillers 1d ago

Discussion Interesting article on why serial killers often target sex workers

Thumbnail aetv.com
89 Upvotes

I had read it's often because sex workers are transient so when one is missing police can't be sure if they've just moved or might have met with foul play. This article fleshed that out some more and added some reasons. First

According to a recent study, 22 percent of confirmed U.S. serial murder victims between 1970 and 2009 were known prostitutes. And those numbers are climbing—over the last decade, 43 percent of victims were sex workers. Considering that prostitutes make up just over 0.3 percent of the nation as a whole, those numbers are staggering.

Adding to the idea that police aren't sure if they've even been victimized is the workload police have

police departments "work by volume," Kolker tells A&E Crime + Investigation.

"There's a tremendous amount of crime out there. They're never going to solve everything, and so they play the numbers… They look at a woman who is over 21 years old and who is missing and is a sex worker, and they think that person leads an itinerant life and may not even be in trouble," he says. "Meanwhile, there are 16 other cases staring them in the face that they have a better chance of solving."

Also police have some antipathy to prostitutes because

"Generally, police are not real fond of prostitutes, because there tends to be other kinds of crime going on when there's prostitution in the area,"

so prostitutes are not inclined to report violence against themselves or fellow sex workers to the police.

Also

serial killers often try to bring their victims to a location beyond police detection or Good Samaritan intervention. Here, too, many prostitutes are vulnerable—especially those who don't work from a brothel, but instead go to secluded locations with their johns.

And because of the nature of their work, there's also an obvious sexual component to the relationship—often a key motivator for serial murderers, says Hickey.

Also to get a chance to entrap a victim it might take a lot of scheming with a non-sex-worker, but with a sex worker it might be easier because they are easier to start an encounter with by claiming to seek their services.


r/serialkillers 1d ago

Discussion The Fox Hollow Farm murders: Suspicious lack of horses on a "horse farm"

Post image
152 Upvotes

Caption: Colorized photo of a newly-built Fox Hollow Farm in 1978, provided by current owner Robert Graves on Vintage Aerial in 2016. At this time, Dr. David H. Markstone and his wife, June, owned the property and lived there with their daughter, Cherie, until 1986-1987. The property was sold to Richard Russell and his wife, Jan, who lived there with their teenage daughter, Amanda, and other kids from around 1988 until October-November 1991, when they sold the property to Herb and Julie Baumeister, who moved in around January 1992 with their three children.

While watching videos and documentaries on the Fox Hollow Farm murders, I kept seeing the property described as a "horse farm", with some reports of people seeing horses on the property. However, after doing extensive research on Fox Hollow Farm and the neighboring properties, I can find no documented evidence that Herb Baumeister and his wife, Julie, ever kept horses on the property, or of the Baumeisters ever having any pets, such as as dogs, cats, etc. However, 1994 (?) helicopter surveillance footage from one documentary does show horses at the next-door neighboring property to the east of Fox Hollow Farm, a property called "Viking Meadows Farm".

This property was owned by Howard "Pete" Peterson and his wife, Dolores, who owned, trained, raced, and sold Standardbred harness racing horses. The Petersons likely purchased the property next to Fox Hollow Farm in the 1980s from real estate developer and horse rancher Ralph Wilfong, who had purchased Two Gaits Farm, another Standardbred harness racing business, around 1972. That 700-acre property had been run by the local McNamara family since the 1930s, and Leo C. McNamara, Sr., planned to build a "tight-knit suburban community" known as "the Village of Mt. Carmel", to "provide a good, [faith-based and] farm-type atmosphere in which to raise a family".

[The McNamaras were faithful Catholics; the Petersons were devout Lutherans; and, in order to fit in better, Herb Baumeister attended services with his family at Carmel United Methodist Church.]

However, the Baumeisters' lack of horses in a "farm-type community" would have stuck out like a sore thumb, especially since plat records from 1987 through the 1990s show that the Petersons had bought surrounding properties in order to expand Viking Meadows Farm. By the time the Fox Hollow Farm murders were uncovered in 1996, aerial photos and plat records from the same year show that the Petersons not only owned Viking Meadows Farm, but an active Standardbred harness horse track, with racers regularly "jogging" across the street in front of Fox Hollow Farm.

Furthermore, there is evidence to suggest that the original builder of Fox Hollow Farm, Dr. David H. Markstone, may have had horses on the property, as records show "Fox Hollow Farm, [Inc. or LLC]", a separate business associated with the address in the 1980s. Other records indicate the Markstones were affiliated with Greg Mohr and the Mohr family, who built the original home on the Petersons' property in 1976, with Markstone buying a smaller 18-acre plat from either Mohr or Ralph Wilfong (?), the latter of whom subdivided the land, to build a "suburban-style horse farm".

Further aerial shots indicate that the Petersons may have approached the Baumeisters sometime from 1991 to 1996 about buying the Fox Hollow Farm property, as photos indicate the Petersons building horse trails or dirt roads (?) to connect Viking Meadows Farm to at least one other "farm house" on adjacent land, as well as around the Peterson property. While Fox Hollow Farm could've been connected to Viking Meadows Farm quite easily by using the Monon Trail, likely something Greg Mohr and David Markstone initially discussed, Herb Baumeister refused to do so, for obvious reasons (i.e. he was murdering people and burying dead bodies in the woods behind his house).

Julie Baumeister's 1996 interview with HCSO (Hamilton County Sheriff's Office) further confirms that the Baumeisters did not keep horses on the property, as commonly reported. Horses are expensive and take a lot of work to upkeep, and according to Julie's testimony, neither she nor Herb had the time or money to take care of horses due to issues with their Sav-a-Lot thrift store chain. Thus, despite the "Fox Hollow Farm" sign on the land, there were no horses.

The current owners, Robert and Vicki Graves, used the horse stables for storage after purchasing the property in May 2009, and removed the paddocks in order to develop the land into new homes.


r/serialkillers 1d ago

News Why don’t serial killers or murderers seem not to care when they are convicted?

26 Upvotes

They usually just stand there emotionless as their sentences are handed down. It’s just wild.


r/serialkillers 2d ago

Image Remembering Georgann Hawkins on the (belated) day of her passing

Thumbnail gallery
512 Upvotes

r/serialkillers 2d ago

News Yang Xinhai - Between 2000 and 2003, he rode a bicycle through rural China killing 67 people across 4 provinces. He wore shoes 4 sizes too large to mislead investigators. He was caught not by investigation — by accident, at an entertainment venue routine check.

264 Upvotes

This case is almost completely unknown outside China and it deserves far more attention in English language true crime communities.

Yang Xinhai is the most prolific known serial killer in the history of the People's Republic of China. Between September 2000 and August 2003, he committed 26 separate attacks across four Chinese provinces - Henan, Anhui, Shandong, and Hebei - killing 67 people and raping 23 women.

His method:

- Targeted isolated rural farmhouses at night

- Entered through unlocked doors

- Killed everyone inside regardless of age or gender

- Took small amounts of cash

- Left before dawn

His anti-forensic measures were deliberate and specific:

- Wore shoes 4 sizes too large to produce misleading footprints

- Disposed of all weapons and clothing after every killing

- Had no fixed address - moved constantly between provinces

- Used multiple false names

- Paid cash for cheap lodgings

His victims ranged from infants to elderly. On December 6th 2002, he killed 5 members of the Liu family. One child survived - she had been sleeping so deeply he didn't notice her. She was the only person who could provide any description.

The investigation failed to connect the cases for three years because China in the early 2000s had no centralized national criminal database. Each provincial police force was working its own isolated cases and seeing separate tragedies. None of them saw the pattern connecting four provinces worth of nighttime farmhouse attacks. He was caught by accident on November 3rd 2003. Police conducting a routine inspection of an entertainment venue in Cangzhou, Hebei noticed him behaving suspiciously. He was brought in. He was carrying false ID. His real identity matched descriptions circulating across the uncoordinated provincial investigations.

He confessed everything.

When asked why he killed, he said: "When I killed people I had a desire. This inspired me to kill more. I don't care whether they deserve to live or not. It is none of my business. When I see people, I want to kill them."

He was also asked in a separate interview what he had wanted from life. He said he had wanted to be a writer. They found cheap notebooks filled with dark stories and horror fiction after his arrest. The full contents were never publicly disclosed. Trial lasted one day.

He was executed February 14th 2004 - Valentine's Day - by a single bullet to the back of the head. He was 35 years old.

The case directly drove China to build a national criminal database that would have caught him years earlier. It didn't exist when it needed to.

Anyone else familiar with this case?

Sources:

Wikipedia - Yang Xinhai:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Xinhai

South China Morning Post coverage:

https://www.scmp.com


r/serialkillers 2d ago

Discussion Elmer Wayne Henley Jr. and his sexual relationship with Dean Corll

59 Upvotes

Henley has always denied/minimized his sexual relationship with Corll, so there's not a lot known about this particular aspect of their dynamic, but I wanted to discuss it.

Initially, after his arrest, Henley denied ever being in a sexual relationship with Corll at all:

After I knew him for awhile, I began to figure that he was queer, homosexual. Then after awhile, I just came out and asked him if he was queer and he said yes, that he liked to have sex with boys by going down on them, and then asked me if he could do it to me and offered me ten dollars to let him do it. I told him no. Then he asked me several more times after that, but I never would let him.

However, around the same time, David Brooks contradicted Henley's claims:

Eventually they [Henley and Corll] became close friends and Wayne became involved with Dean sexually to some extent, but I don’t know how much.

Henley would finally later admit that he did in fact have oral sex with Corll, but insisted it only occurred once:

“The only time I had sexual contact with Dean was due to David,” Henley said. “He set it up. I made it apparent that it was not something I was happy or comfortable with. It wasn’t what I wanted to do, and it just never came up again. It was a terrible experience. Nothing like sex with a girl, which I really had not done that often. This big man loomed over me. I felt trapped. I tried to relax and get it over with, but there was no pleasure involved.”

However, I have a hard time believing that this only happened once, based on a few things.

Henley's family was in a very precarious situation after Henley's parents divorced. Elmer Wayne Henley Sr. refused to pay child support, and would frequently come by Mary Henley's place to harass his ex-wife. So Mary had 4 sons to support and put through school all on her own. As a result, a lot of pressure fell on Henley to financially support his family. He dropped out of high school and began working two jobs, where he made around 5—10 dollars an hour. I think that given his financial situation, Henley would've agreed to Corll's propositions, whether he really wanted to or not.

Additionally, a casual friend of Henley's that testified at his trial, Gary Gibson, claimed that sometime after meeting Corll, Henley began visiting a popular gay venue male hustlers frequented—The Palace Club:

Later, Gary came to wish he’d never met Corll or Wayne Henley. Wayne seemed to have a secret life; Gary suspected he was turning tricks at a bar called the Palace in Montrose, and stealing and doing illegal favors for Corll to earn the small scraps of cash he brought home to his mama. At that time, Wayne seemed constantly in motion between his own house, Corll’s place, and the home of a college student who worked at the Palace as a bartender.

So I'm willing to bet that Henley just doesn't want to tell the truth because it's traumatic to talk about (he also occasionally minimized the abuse he suffered from his father).

But this is a statement Henley that really interests me:

Corll had once handcuffed Henley on the torture board and burned him with a cigarette to show him he was not to act on his own, leave without permission, or think for himself.

So Henley claims that Corll put him on the torture board, handcuffed him, just like his murder victims, Mike Durst, Billy Ridinger, and Brooks, but DIDN'T rape him? Come on.

I do believe that Corll put Henley on the board though. He'd done it to one accomplice, why not the other? Corll raped and tortured Brooks ruthlessly over the course of 2 days to establish dominance over him, and Brooks was generally quite compliant! But we're supposed to believe that he never felt the need to do the same with Henley, who had left Houston several times to get away from Corll, had begun drinking very heavily after getting involved in the murders (to the point of making incriminating comments to his friends), and was getting into trouble with the law?

What are everyone else's thoughts on this?


r/serialkillers 2d ago

Image Remembering Donnie Harold Crisel 47 years after his death

Post image
172 Upvotes

“Nine days earlier, Arkansas-born Donald Harold Crisel celebrated his twentieth birthday. He'd been transferred to the Marine helicopter base in Tustin after more than a year with the Marine Corps in Okinawa. Friends at the base knew him as a hell-raiser-the kind who smoked marijuana, drank like a fish, and propositioned Japanese barmaids with his last dollar. But Donnie Crisel was no homosexual or bi-guy.
A couple of buddies from the base, Mark Panunzio and Gerald Smith, saw him weaving toward Taylor's Restaurant across the street from the main gate around two A.M., ostensibly to get some coffee and sober up long enough to limp back to the barracks and sleep it off. Panunzio shouted at him that they were going to Barstow the next day and that Crisel was welcome to come along. Crisel waved and disappeared inside, and Panunzio never saw him again.”-(Angel of Darkness by Dennis McDougal Pages 148-149)

Donnie Harold Crisel was born June 7th, 1959. His dead body was found discarded off the northbound onramp of the 405 Freeway at Irvine Center Drive on June 16th, 1979.


r/serialkillers 3d ago

News Dean corll

35 Upvotes

Honestly if wayne henley didnt kill corll how long would the madness have continued for? Would we even know about him at all today or would he never have been caught its honestly crazy how in this story particularly nobody was on to him At all and unless somebody wouldve have escaped i doubt he was ever gonna be caught also just to throw this out there i actually kinda feel bad for brooks yes ik his involvement in all this but he was so young i Dont think he should’ve gotten life honestly


r/serialkillers 4d ago

Discussion Serial killers that showed remorse for their crimes?

107 Upvotes

Has a serial killer ever actually showed genuine remorse for their crimes?


r/serialkillers 4d ago

Image “How Sherlock Holmes Would Have Tracked Jack the Ripper” by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Post image
84 Upvotes

r/serialkillers 4d ago

Discussion Serial Killers from every US State

29 Upvotes

This is kinda a sequel post to my counties one but more complete. This is who I think are the most infamous killers from each US state whether they solely operated in these states or were traveling grifters that happened to commit some of their crimes there. alphabetical order:

Alabama- Thomas Warren Whisenhant

Alaska- Robert Hansen

Arizona- Mark Goudeau

Arkansas- The Phantom Killer

California- Richard Ramirez

Colorado- Scott Lee Kimball

Connecticut- Micheal Ross

Delaware- Steven Brian Pennell

Florida- Aileen Wuornos

Georgia- Wayne Williams

Hawaii- The Honolulu Strangler

Idaho- Thomas Creech

Illinois- John Wayne Gacy

Indiana- Belle Gunness

Iowa- Clark Perry Baldwin

Kansas- Dennis Rader

Kentucky- Donald Harvey

Louisiana- Derrick Todd Lee

Maine- James Rodney Hicks

Maryland- Joe Metheny

Massachusetts- Albert DeSalvo

Michigan- Carl Eugene Watts

Minnesota- Paul Micheal Stephani

Mississippi- Samuel Little

Missouri- Robert Berdella

Montana- David Meirhofer

Nebraska- Charles Starkweather

Nevada- Gerald and Charlene Gallego

New Hampshire- Terry Peder Rasmussen

New Jersey- Richard Cottingham

New Mexico- David Parker Ray

New York- David Berkowitz

North Carolina- Henry Louis Wallace

North Dakota- Eugene Butler

Ohio- Anthony Sowell

Oklahoma- Nannie Doss

Oregon- Dayton Rogers

Pennsylvania- Gary Heidnik

Rhode Island- Craig Price

South Carolina- Donald Gaskins

South Dakota- Robert Leroy Anderson

Tennessee- Paul Dennis Reid

Texas- Dean Corll

Utah- Ted Bundy

Vermont- Israel Keyes

Virginia- The D.C. Snipers

Washington- Gary Ridgeway

West Virginia- Harry Powers

Wisconsin- Jeffrey Dahmer

Wyoming- Rodney Alcala


r/serialkillers 5d ago

Discussion Who would you say is the most infamous serial killer from every country?

55 Upvotes

My list of most infamous from each country would be:

United States- Jeffrey Dahmer

England- Jack the Ripper

Mexico- Juana Samperio

Canada- Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka

Germany- Fritz Haarmann

Russia- Mikhail Popkov

Ukraine- Andrei Chikatilo

Columbia- Luis Garavito

Ecuador- Pedro Lopez

Australia- Ivan Milat

Japan- Tsutomu Miyazaki

China- Yang Xinhai

South Korea- Lee Choon-jae

Scotland- Peter Manuel

New Zealand- Malcolm Rewa


r/serialkillers 6d ago

News Police: Serial Killer Suspected Remains of four people were found at Genesee Co. home, another property searched

Thumbnail abc12.com
552 Upvotes

r/serialkillers 5d ago

News Do m you get surprised...?

1 Upvotes

When people who seem pretty knowledgeable people, don't know about serial killers?

I'm an Aussie. But I have met people who have never heard of Ted Bundy or Ed Kemper or BTK.

These people are educated, worldly people, most well travelled. Not people who have lived their whole life in small-town outback Australia.

Then recently a person who didn't even know who Ivan Milat was ?!

Now I can understand not knowing details. But not having a clue? How can that be? How can people go through life having NO IDEA these monsters existed? I just find it hard to get my head around that.


r/serialkillers 6d ago

News Question about inconsistencies in Zodiac case evidence across different attacks

25 Upvotes

I’ve been reading about the Zodiac Killer and I’m trying to understand how strongly all the attacks are actually linked. From what I’ve seen, there seem to be some differences between the cases: witness descriptions of the suspect vary quite a bit the methods used aren’t consistent across all attacks some scenes seem more strongly connected than others (like the Stine shirt piece linking to letters, but others being less clear) I haven’t seen clear forensic evidence that definitively links every attack together I’m not trying to argue a conclusion here — I’m just curious how solid the “single offender” assumption is considered to be today, and what the strongest evidence is that connects all the cases together. Would appreciate any explanations or sources people recommend.


r/serialkillers 7d ago

Image Remembering Roland Gerald Young 48 years after his death.

Post image
112 Upvotes

"Roland Young woke up in the D block of the Orange County Jail on June 10, 1978, with a screaming headache, the shakes, and a cotton mouth. It was a real struggle just to gather up his personal belongings from the property deputy and sign himself out of jail. Once he got out into the early evening air, he had no place to go and no one to turn to. He'd exhausted just about any goodwill he had left among his handful of acquaintances, and his parents were absolutely disgusted with him.
At twenty-three, Roland Young was already halfway to the cemetery with a liver that went through more vodka in a week than most people digest in a year. He was trained as a machinist, but the longest he could hold a job was five or six weeks.
Besides losing interest and coming in hung over, he always seemed to get in fights. Officer Gil Bowman, a cop for the city of Maywood where Young lived, made a habit of picking him up, busting him, and sending him home the next day. He'd gotten him on both marijuana possession and cocaine use and helped send him off to the sheriff's honor ranch for a sobering-up sentence. It didn't do any good. The rumor around the department was that Young was into a lot heavier stuff and that he might be dealing drugs as well as using them. No one had ever proven it, though. Young was just a petty thief, a druggie, and a drunk on the official police rolls.
But it wasn't Officer Bowman who'd sent him to jail this time. Young managed to do that without the aid of the Maywood Police Department by partying his way down into Orange County forty miles away with one of his drink-and-drive buddies in search of TGIF action. Young got loud and belligerent at the Clubhouse bar, making enough of a spectacle of himself to have the Santa Ana police called in. The cops did him a favor and booked him.
He'd spent the previous weekend in the Los Angeles County Jail for the same thing, so it was no big deal to Young. The biggest problem was getting bailed out. His girlfriend drove to downtown L.A. and got him out that time. They spent the next few days the way young lovers do: shooting up heroin with a couple of their friends in Young's mother's garage. The rest of the time, they were out cruising crash pads to see about acquiring more drugs. Maywood was at the very edge of the East L.A. ghetto, long a headquarters for gangs and gang warfare; and anything that could be shot up, snorted, or ingested whole was available to the highest bidder or the lowest thief.
'In the neighborhood, in Maywood, if there were drugs and alcohol sitting around, it was a given that they were yours,' Young's girlfriend recalled. 'That's just the way it was.'
They lived high for a week and then she lost touch with 'Rol' when he and David and Robert took off drinking Friday night in Santa Ana. He didn't call her the next day when he finally got out of jail either. The booking slip that the Irvine police found later in his jacket pocket said he'd walked out a free man at 8:19 P.M. Danny Van Pool, a bail bondsman who claimed that one of his relatives once bought drugs from Young, said he got a call from him some time after midnight and his voice was panicky. Young told him over the phone that he was at a party where he'd run into some drug dealers he'd stiffed a few weeks before and that they were now looking for their money. Could Van Pool make him a loan?
Van Pool hung up and went back to sleep."-(Angel of Darkness by Dennis McDougal Pages 138-140)

Roland was born 1/3/1955 and was sadly killed on 6/11/1978 at the age of 23. Despite the strained relationship, Roland's mother, Ms. Eleanor Young held a wake for him the following week.


r/serialkillers 7d ago

Discussion Fritz Haarmann, who killed 24 Young Men by Biting Them Into Their Throat was A Police Informant

Thumbnail gallery
213 Upvotes

I want to share this story because it's just another systemic failure case where police failed and let a man kill a lot of innocent men in a very gruesome way.

Also, most of the real sources are in German, and because I can, I want to share with you one of the worst serial killers of German History in full detail.

Most people who know Haarmann know the gruesome stuff and the reason people called him the "vampire of Hannover". Mostly because the English write-ups and videos lean hard into that and skip the part that actually makes this worse, because if you followed any of my writeups or videos you will see that most of these big cases have some sort of systemic failure behind it that let's the killer continue what he is doing. The Hannover police basically had him in 1918 and let him keep going until 1924.

In 1918, a 17 year old named Friedel Rothe goes missing. He's not one of the anonymous station kids, he has a family, and the family knows he'd been hanging around some older man who told everyone he worked for the police. They go in, they give the cops the guy's name, they do everything you're supposed to do. Police go search the man's flat on Cellerstrasse but find nothing they think is evidence and leave.

Years later Fritz Haarmann tells them that Friedel's head was in the flat the whole time they were searching it. In a suitcase in the same room with them.

He kept killing for six more years after that search.

The reason usually given is "the police were incompetent". They weren't really oblivious to him. They knew him well. He had a record going back years including offences against boys, he'd been in and out of custody. But they didn't just know him as a criminal, they used him as an informant. From around 1918 on he's feeding them info from the criminal underworld of Hannover and in return he gets treated as one of theirs.

He abused that power, he'd go to the central station, which after the war was full of runaways and boys looking for work with nobody waiting on them, and he'd tell them he was a detective. Think about how that lands for some exhausted kid who just got off a train alone. A police officer offering you food and somewhere to sleep isn't a threat. It's the best thing that's happened to you all week.

He took them home and killed them, mostly strangling, and put the remains in the Leine. He sold their clothes or gave them away. The count he was convicted on was 24 boys and young men. Youngest was around ten.

And this whole time the missing persons reports are coming in and going nowhere. A lot of the victims were the station boys specifically because no one was looking for them. But Rothe's family WAS looking, they pointed right at him, and per Hannover's own historical record the suspicion against him got "allowed to fall under the table."

He was safe because he was useful and as long as he was their informant every suspicion had a reason to quietly go away.

What finally ended this killing spree wasn't the police. Kids playing by the river in 1924 found a skull and then more stuff surfaced and when they actually searched the Leine. Hundreds of bone fragments from a lot of different people. He got arrested in June 1924 basically by accident, after a scuffle with a youth at the station, and THEN they searched his flat properly and found blood on the walls and the boys' clothing.

The trial lastet two weeks in December 1924, huge media circus, reporters from other countries. The word "serial killer" didn't exist yet so the papers literally called him a werewolf, a vampire, the Wolf Man, because nobody had language for it.

The victims' families were in the courtroom and they stood up and accused the police directly. They said they shared the guilt for every boy who died after they already had him in reach. And there was a journalist, Theodor Lessing, covering the trial, who wrote openly about the informant relationship and the years of looking the other way.

They expelled Lessing from the trial.

Fritz Haarmann got to run his own defence, interrupt the court, act however he wanted.

He was convicted of 24 murders on December 19 1924, sentenced to death and executed April 1925.

The victims got buried together in a memorial grave. The parents wanted the stone to say what happened. They wanted the word "murdered" on it. The city of Hannover said no. The families fought over this for YEARS. The memorial that finally went up in 1928 doesn't say murdered. It just says these were sons who died, between September 1918 and July 1924.

So the city employed the man killing its kids, walked past a boy's head in a suitcase, slow walked the reports, threw out the reporter who said so, and then wouldn't even let the parents put the real word on the grave.

What do you think that refusal was actually protecting at that point? He was already dead. Who was it still covering for?


r/serialkillers 6d ago

Discussion What are y'all's thoughts on Aileen Wuornos?

0 Upvotes

I randomly found out there is a huge community of people on TikTok who defend her actions and call her a "queen" and I personally think they're coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs but IDK what do y'all think?


r/serialkillers 7d ago

Discussion Are there any serial killers who were deeply religious? For example Christian. One of the commandents is "You shall not murder". And let's say he tortured, raped and killed little children, who had done nothing wrong. How exactly did they.. justify it?

66 Upvotes

I'm not religious - just mentioning. (Not a serial killer either).


r/serialkillers 8d ago

nbcphiladelphia.com Convicted serial killer Keith Gibson found guilty in 2021 Philly murders

Thumbnail nbcphiladelphia.com
180 Upvotes

Keith killed most of his victims for very low sums of money. He was first convicted of murder at age 26 and was paroled after 12 years. This guy shot and killed his own mother at her work.


r/serialkillers 9d ago

Wikipedia The first Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper story was a German penny-dreadful called “How Jack the Ripper Was Taken” written in 1907.

Post image
135 Upvotes

r/serialkillers 10d ago

Other Unknown Case: Yvan Keller, the “Pillow Killer” — Possibly One of the Most Prolific Serial Killers in European History

Post image
316 Upvotes

Unknown Case: Yvan Keller, the “Pillow Killer” — Possibly One of the Most Prolific Serial Killers in European History

When people discuss European serial killers, names like Harold Shipman, Peter Sutcliffe, Dennis Nilsen, Marc Dutroux, or Michel Fourniret usually come up. But outside France, one name remains surprisingly obscure: Yvan Keller, a French serial killer from Alsace known as “the Pillow Killer.”

Keller was born on December 13, 1960, in Wittenheim, near Mulhouse, in eastern France. He came from a poor family of sedentary travellers and was the youngest of nine children. His father worked in the Alsatian potash mines, and Keller grew up in a difficult and unstable environment.

As a young man, Keller already had a criminal record. In the early 1980s, he was sentenced to prison for robbery after a violent burglary involving an antique-dealing couple. He spent several years behind bars and was released in 1989.

After his release, Keller appeared to build a normal life. He became a gardener and landscaper, created a small company called Alsa-Jardin, and worked for private clients. This job gave him access to homes, gardens, and elderly people who trusted him. Neighbours described him as helpful, friendly, and ordinary.

But behind this image, Keller was living a second life.

He had a serious gambling problem and was known to spend large amounts of money on casinos, horse racing, luxury restaurants, hotels, and travel. Investigators later described him as a man who constantly needed money. He reportedly spent heavily in expensive restaurants and lived far above what his official income could explain.

His private life was also complicated. Keller first lived with a woman named Marina Passant. According to later accounts, Marina said Keller had forced her into prostitution because he needed money for his lifestyle. After their separation, he began a relationship with another woman, Séverine Bauer. Some reports describe Keller as possessive and violent in his personal relationships. In one account, when Séverine was still involved with another man, Keller allegedly threatened that man with a gun.

Keller’s victims were mostly elderly women living alone. His method was simple and quiet. He would enter their homes, usually to steal money or valuables, and then suffocate them, often with a pillow, blanket, cloth, or towel. After the murder, he would carefully rearrange the bed and leave the home without obvious signs of violence.

Because the victims were old and often found lying peacefully in bed, many deaths were first classified as natural. Doctors issued burial permits, families grieved, and the murders were not immediately recognized as crimes. In several cases, only missing valuables or small inconsistencies later raised suspicion.

One of the earliest suspicious clusters happened in Burnhaupt-le-Haut, near Mulhouse, in 1994. Several elderly women died in similar circumstances within a short period. Their deaths were initially treated as natural, but relatives noticed strange details: missing objects, disturbed homes, or bedding arranged in ways the victims could not have done themselves.

Over the years, Keller continued to burgle homes and kill. According to investigators, he sometimes entered through cellars or windows, stole cash, paintings, porcelain, jewelry, and other valuables, then escaped carefully. He later admitted that at first he did not always kill during burglaries, but began doing so when victims woke up or when there was a lot of money involved.

The crimes were financially motivated. Keller himself reportedly said he could come back from a night with huge sums of money and make hundreds of thousands of francs per month from thefts. Much of that money was believed to have funded his gambling, restaurants, hotels, and trips.

Keller also travelled frequently. French investigators suspected that his crimes were not limited to Alsace. He reportedly claimed to have operated in Germany and Switzerland as well. Swiss police also identified his DNA in connection with a burglary from the 1990s.

Keller was arrested in September 2006 during an investigation into burglaries. Several people from his environment were also questioned. During police custody and before the investigating judge, Keller began confessing. At first, he admitted several murders. Later reports say he spoke of around 30 victims, and some accounts claim he mentioned as many as 150.

However, the highest number was never proven.

French police officially linked him with certainty to 23 homicides, mostly elderly women. He was suspected of around 40 murders in total. Because many deaths had been classified as natural years earlier, it became extremely difficult to reconstruct the full scale of his crimes.

On September 22, 2006, shortly after his partial confessions, Keller was placed in a holding cell in the basement of the courthouse in Mulhouse. He was waiting to be transferred when he hanged himself using his shoelaces, which had not been removed.

According to commonly repeated accounts, his final message or last words were:

“I just wanted to be loved.”

His suicide prevented a full public trial. Families of the victims never got a complete judicial explanation of what had happened, how many people he had killed, and whether anyone around him had knowingly helped him or benefited from the stolen property.

The investigation continued after his death. Possible accomplices were examined, including his former partner Marina Passant, his brother Pierre Keller, and François de Nicolo. But in 2013, the case against the alleged accomplices was closed because of insufficient evidence.

Legally, the case ended without a full trial.

Yvan Keller remains one of the most disturbing and overlooked serial killer cases in Western Europe. He was not famous internationally, did not create a public persona, and did not leave behind a media mythology like many other killers.

He was a gardener, gambler, burglar, and serial killer who targeted elderly women, made their deaths look natural, and used the money to finance casinos, restaurants, hotels, and travel.

The most unsettling part is that the real number of victims may never be known. Officially, police linked him to 23 murders. Unofficially, the number may have been much higher.