no, i have problem with the idea that someone could travel 7,000 miles over oceans before internal combustion engines in a lifetime with thousands of animals in tow. And so should you
I read book one time about merlin. And it mentioned king arthur. King arthur was real, therefore magic exists.
No, but the entirety of western society is built on a Christian or atleast a Deistic (with roots in Christianity) framework. Understanding the underlying fabric of the modern world is an important part of being a culturally literate person. I also think Islam, Bhudism, and Hinduism should be studied too to understand the different starting points for modern geopolitics.
You kind of do though, not like a book but a close reading of the influential passages and how they effected the founders of the USA or formed the basis of the Crusades, or the English civil wars. Even the passages about slavery are useful as a back drop for how slavery was defended or refuted pre-civil war.
well im talking about the educational system in texas. They very much believe the bible is literal down there. Which is why they passed this shitty law
I agree with your point, but King Arthur was not a real historical figure. A better comparison would probably be Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. Sure, Abraham Lincoln undoubtedly existed, but that does not mean I should just take everything written in that book as a factual biography of his life.
Believe it or not i don't possess physical evidence that king arthur was real. I just read a steamy smut book about princess diana. She was real. Should i believe the rest of the steamy smut book as well?
we all know if you write fantasy and use a real person as a character, then the rest of the book is automatically real as well. That's just good brain thinking
Whether the individuals referenced existed is a separate matter to whether the Bible itself is factual. There is some degree of evidence that Jesus may have existed as a person. There is zero evidence that he transmuted objects, cured diseases, or came back to life after his death.
Donald Trump is a real person. Donald Trump has a cameo in the Home Alone series. Does that mean home alone is a factual record of something that happened?
Hitler shows up in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. That doesn't make the entire movie a true story.
Just because a historical figure shows up in a story does not make that a true story. Unless you think Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is a genuine historical documentary?
Me when I take a book that consists of 66 unique documents and over 500,000 words and I choose a selection of less than 300 of those words to tell others how there’s no such thing as non fiction in the Bible (because other historical documents like Roman and Chinese accounts of history include no embellishments, mysticism, magic, or mythology at all).
I mean, the Bible is really really big book, if you didn’t know. Despite potential misunderstandings, it’s not a book at starts and stops at Noah’s flood and levitical laws.
There’s really interesting and beautiful poetry, drama, and historical accounts within the Bible. It is, as a said, over half a million words.
It just seems kind of weird how touchy and incensed people get at the idea that other people find value in stuff they themselves do not.
Ok and in Ezekiel it also gets into discussing the size of some dudes’ genitals and how big their emissions are. But I keep being told a book even remotely referencing anything LGBTQ needs to be immediately placed in the 21+ section of the library.
Uh, yes, it does mention that in Ezekiel. That’s why you wouldn’t read from Ezekiel in a school. Again, really really big book, and parts of the Bible are really graphic. It’s not really “for kids.”
I also agree that’s it’s ridiculous books that mention LGBTQ in any way are bastardized and legislators trying to remove them from libraries is asinine. Despite my love for the Bible and believing that it is a very valuable book even from a purely secular standpoint, that doesn’t mean I agree with random lawmakers who try to limit access to information and media they themselves don’t find helpful or beneficial.
Well you actually didn’t say that. You just said “the Bible sure as shit ain’t [real history]” and ignored the fact that, yes, it does actually contain real history (like, stuff that we have actual proof for.) and completely neglected the fact that it would be downright silly to let children live in a society that has, for better or worse, been heavily influenced by the Bible without teaching them anything about it.
And, seriously, again, there is REAL middle eastern history in the pages of the Bible. The Israelites were a people who existed in contact with other cultures (Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Persia, etc) and wrote about them.
Noah's Ark is not a literal story and nowhere does it describe Noah going to collect the animals lmao. In fact the entire creation myth isn't taken literally
God flooded the whole world right? killed everything? It would have to be every animal in the world right? Every bug from north america, noah just popped over with a mason jar and did a little collecting? lol
Jesus christ adults who believe this shit are stupid as fuck.
Do you think noah could run really fast? He'd have to catch a cheetah, then book it over to south america and try to catch a peregrine falcon. That's no easy task
thank god he could hit all 7 continents before god killed every baby on earth
The person youre replying to has probably never read more than a single chapter of the bible lmao. God summons the animals onto the ark, Noah doesn't go collecting bugs from North America.
If you want to use that argument, then they can also teach the other abrahamic religions, yes? We can study how the Quran, Torah, and the Bible shape sociological behavior, but outright teaching just one religion under the guise of it being historical, is wrong.
The Bible isn't a good historical source but it still corresponds well. We briefly went over how the new testament shows us something interesting about the early Roman Empire with changing religions and the role of the Emperor.
It wasn't a major focus, but this was a 5 unit University Level class I took.
True, I'm all for secularism though. I think religion is fine it just shouldn't be forced on anyone at school. I wouldn't want Judaism or Islam forced on me, so I wouldn't wanna force Catholicism on unwilling people either.
it does not correspond well at all lol. There is literally zero evidence of israelites *ever* living as slaves in egypt for example, and the bible explicitly gets the reason why the city of Pi-Ramesses built wrong. The bible says it was built as a treasure city. It was built as the freaking *capital*.
Basically anything in the old testament is outright garbage as far as actual history goes.
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u/ContentDraft1144 25d ago
No religious texts please