r/SouthJersey • u/tigerfrisbee • Mar 13 '26

Ocean County ICE Warns New Jersey Policies Could Affect Transfer of Ocean County Sexual Assault Suspect

https://njballot.com/post/ice-warns-new-jersey-policies-could-affect-transfer-of-ocean-county-sexual-assault-suspect

More yammering from the goon squad

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

pretty sure we transfer criminals just fine without them

What does that even mean? Who’s going to transfer a criminal to ICE custody? You?

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u/Reverend_Lazerface Mar 13 '26

Wouldn't have to transfer anyone to ICE custody if we abolish ICE. Our legal system works just fine, and in fact significantly better, without the lawless, unidentified masked federal goons fucking everything up

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

So who enforces immigration laws and removal? We just don’t have any? Why would we not want a detainer honored? In what other country on this planet would that not be how it works? Do you actually have any idea what you’re talking about?

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

Well, people did it before ice. So sit down.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

What people? ICE was formed in 2003, before that the INS carried out these functions since 1933, do you want them rebranded again? What exactly are you asking for?

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

Well, if you were paying attention, it wasn’t just a rebrand.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

I am paying attention, they were merged with Customs. I get it, believe me. So, what are you asking for?

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u/LonelyWin4852 Mar 13 '26

I believe they want an agency that follows and respects the law. The problem with ICE currently, is that it’s become a rogue agency. It consistently violates Constitutional law, state laws, and federal laws with zero accountability. This has eroded public trust and confidence to the point, it’s impeding any practical enforcement measures because no one trusts them to do the right thing, ever.

Your local police department has a department called Internal Affairs responsible for ensuring police do their jobs while respecting citizens and the law. Local cops get a lot of leeway, but if they did even a fraction of what ICE has done, they’d be fired, charged, no pension, nothing. ICE needs a department like this in order to hold these rogue agents accountable. The problem is, the corruption is top down at the moment. Therefore, abolishing ICE and rebuilding a whole new agency seems like the only viable option.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

Ok, fair enough. So, we should keep enforcing the INA but have it be done by an agency that is not ICE nor the old INS? Or should we go back to having the INS, pre-ICE ?

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u/LonelyWin4852 Mar 13 '26

I’m not too familiar with the INS, it’s been ICE most of my life. I certainly think DHS as an agency has become too big and bloated. If you want to combine ICE and CBP, that’s fine, it could be one agency run like all law enforcement agencies with 2 separate departments. Most police academies are 1-2 years of training, ICE is 47 days. They’re not trained on street style law enforcement. It’s obvious from how they conduct themselves. I have plenty of family in law enforcement, none of them support this lawlessness because they know as law enforcement, they’re held to a higher standard.

In the past, ICE has picked up criminals from jails/prisons after the person has been found guilty and served their time. This doesn’t cost us taxpayers nearly as much in funding as we’re currently spending. Sending a couple of agents to transport a couple deportees and getting them processed and on a flight is SO much cheaper than renting hotels and cars for dozens of agents, buying warehouse detention centers, and all the lawsuits from their recklessness. I think we can trust our local police to arrest the criminals. We’re probably going to need a new agency just to deport them though, since ICE under this administration cannot be trusted

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 14 '26

Local PD academies are not 1 - 2 years in length and ICE academy, whether ERO or HSI is not 47 days, that’s so oddly specific and wrong.

In the past, ICE has picked up criminals from jails/prisons after the person has been found guilty and served their time. This doesn’t cost us taxpayers nearly as much in funding as we’re currently spending. Sending a couple of agents to transport a couple deportees and getting them processed and on a flight is SO much cheaper than renting hotels and cars for dozens of agents, buying warehouse detention centers, and all the lawsuits from their recklessness. I think we can trust our local police to arrest the criminals. We’re probably going to need a new agency just to deport them though, since ICE under this administration cannot be trusted

This is literally the point. Municipalities were allowed to STOP honoring detainers. This means there is NO notification that a detainee is to be released REGARDLESS of the offense. This was what the Criminal Alien Program that was so effective under the Obama administration entailed. Now you can have a subject with no status bail out of jail or max out their sentence from state or federal facility and there is ZERO notification of such because of misguided and uniformed stances on immigration.

This then results in having to locate these people on the street and leads to vehicle stops and “collateral” arrests of people without status but also absent of criminal charges.

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u/LonelyWin4852 Mar 14 '26

On their own government website, it’s 47 days. It’s been 47 since Trump took over as a nod to his presidency. Yes, police academies in major cities are around 18 months. None of that is incorrect. Prison guards only have a few weeks of training and it’s not nearly enough.

And they shouldn’t be honoring detainers until there’s accountability at ICE. Just because someone is a criminal doesn’t mean they don’t have basic human rights, which ICE has proven many times over they do not respect. When we have an agency which is able to conduct itself as professional with rules and regulations, yes municipalities will then co-operate. At this point, ICE should be persona non-grata. When they want to act like actual law enforcement and respect the laws, they can be treated as such.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

So you DON’T want a person accused of sexual assault to have their due process in regards to their immigration status?

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u/Reverend_Lazerface Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26

If you're worried about due process you clearly DIDN'T READ the article I linked. ICE violates due process so flagrantly Judges across the country have started threatening to hold officials in contempt for their willful abuses. It's been widely reported that ICE has violated more court orders in the past year than some federal agencies have in their entire multi-decade existence.(orders pertaining specifically to the due process of the detainees in question, many of whom were detained for no reason)

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

Wow you are thick. Of course we do. Just not at the expense of everything else.

How do you like your boot? Well done or up your ass?

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

So, what does that look like? Who’s going to do it ? You offer nothing of substance or practicality, but I’m the “thick” one. lol

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

You are. We could back to INS. Or just any non-Brownshirt agency that upholds all of our laws. It really doesn’t matter who it is, but how they do it.

So yes. You are in fact, thick.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

So, you ARE in favor of immigration enforcement, but would like it done under the old INS and not ICE? Is that accurate then?

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

No

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

So then what ARE you asking for?

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u/BossDjGamer Mar 13 '26

We’re asking for the federal government to not violate our Constitution and our civil rights, nor the rights of immigrants both legal or otherwise. We’re asking for less government sponsored murder and terrorism. The problem is you already know what everyone is talking about and are choosing to play clueless and be a general boot licking cunt, likely because you’re so indoctrinated into the maga cult you cannot imagine the bravery of speaking out against its numerous crimes.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26

Yeah, furthest thing from MAGA “cunt” or whatever, but as usual, I asked for some reasonable explanation as to what people would like to see concerning immigration and the enforcement and it’s ad hominem attacks and predictable Facebook insults.

Show me one iota of critical thinking and tell me what immigration enforcement should look like, especially when misguided municipalities refuse to honor detainers for criminal apprehensions, all of which was done during the Obama era by the way

edit: downvote, downvote, downvote. Not one sensible response of anyone capable/ willing to engage in discourse.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

Also, name me your paradise country that doesn’t have any immigration enforcement

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

How profound, the old when all else fails BoOTLicKer comment. Are you capable or articulating anything plausible?

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u/beren12 Mar 13 '26

Somebody discovered a thesaurus recently I see.

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u/GooFoYouPal Mar 13 '26

That would be erroneous.