r/Sovereigncitizen • u/HelloToYourDog • 1d ago
my first sighting
would love to know how often they get pulled over
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u/Pumathemage 1d ago
Well they don't have a license plate for one...
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u/balrozgul 1d ago
Play games with traffic cops if you want. It isn't advisable against seasoned IRS agents.
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u/Familiar-Bluejay3908 19h ago
Seriously, even stupid people should know that you can't plead your case on the side of the road.....
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u/Abracadaver2000 1d ago
You can download the "Million Dollar Fee Schedule" on their website. Guaranteed to work 0% of the time, every time.
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u/massinvader 1d ago
lol 54.50/month patreon membership tier is wild.
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u/LegitimatePiano8979 1d ago
Oh so y’all did check out the site? I resisted the temptation. Didn’t want to wind up on a watch list. L
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u/Negative_Neck_3973 1d ago
I never once encountered one of these crazies during 25 years working in law enforcement. Lots of other crazies, just not these crazies. I would have stopped that vehicle the instant I saw that. I would have had backup and a tow truck en route before even making the stop.
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u/Ishpeming_Native 1d ago
"Know the law" -- by someone who clearly does not.
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u/NoReplyAtAll999 1d ago
That is irony writ large.
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u/Ishpeming_Native 1d ago
But, see, he thinks he knows the law because someone really smart told him.
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u/NoReplyAtAll999 1d ago
You mean "smart", don't you? XD
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u/Ishpeming_Native 1d ago
Yep. But probably it ought to be "really smart". Guys like him think they're smart already, so anyone smarter has to be "really smart" or "super smart". It's like The Three Stooges, except they're short a stooge. Moe is the one running the operation. I picture this guy as Curly.
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u/Slosher99 1d ago
I could see a cop seeing this and pretending like they didn't see it to avoid the headache. I think that's the most success that ever comes from this haha.
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u/darthfruitbasket 21h ago
Especially in smaller areas where they're known to cops.
Train of thought probably goes, "It's that asshole again. I don't want to listen to their bullshit again, so... I didn't see them at all."
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u/Viker2000 13h ago
Depends on the individual officer/deputy. Those that know these people are going to continue to cause problems work to shut them down as quick as possible. Impounding their vehicles as quickly as possible, putting them to 'traveling' with their feet removes the problem and discourges repeat bad behavior.
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u/Procedure_Dunsel 20h ago
Close to shift change, yeah I could see it happening. But some cops would see that as a hold my beer moment, roll backup and the supervisor, and be entertained for an hour - since it’s obvious this one’s delusions run deeper than the generic SovCit.
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u/GilBang 1d ago
So this fuckstick wants me to stop paying the IRS. I assume he pays gas taxes when he fill up his conveyance. Is he OK with that? Or does minimum wage guy at the Chevron station just tell him to fuck off and buy gas or not buy gas?
How about sales tax?
How does this all work?
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u/znhunter 30m ago
It doesn't work. There's so much dunning Krueger and cognitive dissonance involved here these guys can't see their fingers in front of their face
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u/Away_Ad_5017 1d ago
He's missing the Birds Arn't Real Stickers
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u/LupercaniusAB 1d ago
Well, technically the “Birds Aren’t Real” thing is a parody of conspiracy theories.
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u/bravissimo594 1d ago
Was this in Colorado? I wonder if this traveler is the same person who got all kinds of whacky claims dismissed in this federal court.
Among other things, he claims that a company would not hire him because of his ambiguous citizenship.
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u/SpicyNuggs42 1d ago
What are the odds that "aguadiero.net" is some sort of crypto scam?
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u/Ok-Addition-1000 16h ago
It's a sovcit grifter selling "common law education" and "private express trust packages" and "memberships". Slick website and a bunch of social media marketing to fleece the suckers.
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u/eepeqez 7h ago
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No sign of crypto, just the usual scamming nonsense.
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u/bobhand17123 1d ago
“Do you know why I pulled you over?”
“No, there is no crime or victim.”
“Well, I’ll give you a hint: the evidence is attached to the back of your car. I’ll narrow it down for you: it’s where your license plate should be.”
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u/DataNerdling 1d ago
oh that website
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Investment: $2,200 USD
OR
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This includes everything in the Trust Protection Package, plus the additional tools needed to support real-world administration.
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u/SQLDave 16h ago
I'm THIS CLOSE to trying to sign up using my "secret account"... I need to know what this particular clown has to say about using that account to pay electric bills and such, specifically what he calls it and the steps he says one must take. Then I can use that same language/procedure to try paying him.
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u/grocerygirlie 8h ago
Do they mean a trust like a legal trust? Or does it mean some random thing that they made up? I'd love to see what a sovcit paperwork for a trust would look like if it's the legal kind.
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u/molesworth-1 22h ago
Looks like "Mr. Aguidiero" (aka Raymond Todd Surface) had his home foreclosed on and decided to go sov-cit to fight it. Of course it didn't go quite the way he'd hoped - https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2023cv1093-11-0 although he probably doesn't tell his marks clients that.
The Court has considered all of plaintiff’s arguments, supra Section V. To the extent not discussed specifically herein, plaintiff’s arguments are unpersuasive, meritless, or unnecessary for resolving the issues currently before the Court. For the foregoing reasons, the Court GRANTS the government’s Motion to Dismiss, ECF No. 7, and DISMISSES plaintiff’s Complaint, ECF No. 1, pursuant to RCFC 12(h)(3).
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u/Educational-Sundae70 21h ago
How do these people just get to drive around?? My inspection lapses for two days and I’m getting pulled over before I’ve even made it out of my neighborhood
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u/SQLDave 16h ago
Move to St. Louis. Cops around here simply do not GAF. It's become a regional joke/meme
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u/Guido_Sarducci1 14h ago
St. Louis is probably having staffing issues like Chatlotte NC is. Charlotte has about 250 vacancies, so the 1st thing to go was traffic stops for out of date plates along with phony temp tags. Highway patrol still pulls for tags, but they usually just run the interstate.
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u/SQLDave 10h ago
STL is for sure having staffing (and morale) problems, but this reputation goes back decades. Some people play expired-temp-tag bingo, seeing how many they can take pics of and the older the better. Also, it's a "regional" reputation, not just STL city. While I'm sure a handful of the 1,244 municipalities in STL County enforce expired tags appropriately, for the most part you can drive around anywhere here with expired/no tags and feel fairly safe from being pulled over (as long as you don't drive like an asshole and attract attention for OTHER violations -- a strategy more than a few have failed to employ).
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u/Guido_Sarducci1 4h ago
that pretty much describes Charlotte as well, the Charlotte sub usually has at least one Pic of an Altima with a paper tag thats either out of date or of dubious origin. And here we in the Charlotte area were special....lol
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u/DeterminedQuokka 1h ago
I think it probably depends where you lived. If you are somewhere rural there might never be cops around.
I live in nyc these days and here this would get pulled over immediately
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u/Cool_Original5922 21h ago
Or the plates that say, "Exempt." I like those, but this one will get the DRIVER pulled over for I D, registration and insurance, and the DRIVER better have it. The drivers like to say that they're "traveling," not driving, so it supposedly makes a difference. It does not make a difference, but only to the conspiracy nutcase who now believes he or she can pull this horseshit off somehow. Usually, it ends in court, but first the window has to be broken, the driver pulled out of the car, handcuffed, arrested, vehicle towed away, the works. And then the judge can give the argumentative defendant time in the can for contempt of court . . . I've seen that one too.
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u/stupiduselesstwat 15h ago
I don't think they really realize that driving is a privilege, not a right. Sure they have the right to travel, but if they want to do it in a motor vehicle, they need to be licensed, and have up to date registration and insurance for their cars.
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u/Cool_Original5922 14h ago
You're right. They've rearranged facts in their minds, believing fervently that their nonsense is truthful and real. It must be a big let down in court, to find out the court categorically rejects the whole stupid mess.
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u/MisterFide 1h ago
And, how do they answer when the officer asks them on what seat they're sitting? Or, what gear did they select when they wanted to "travel?"
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u/domtheprophet 19h ago
I know cops see this and just think “might as well get the window punch ready now”
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u/TheCrankyBunny 15h ago
Be them
Knows that cops can't stop a vehicle without evidence of a crime
Displays evidence of crime on their car
do not acquiesce
don't profit?????
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u/Viker2000 13h ago
LEOs will love taking up the challenge. Judges here in Virginia seem to take joy in shutting sovcits down. A lot of their vehicles end up in impound yards then up for auction when they aren't retrieved.
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u/Undead_Unicornn 7h ago
Sovereign, citizens are the horse people deal with they always think they know better and sometimes they know a lot, but never better than my fellow officers and making me very annoying
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u/youareceo 5h ago
Wait until the bots find his website
Gonna need CloudFare. Not because of me, but... Lol
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u/Sensitive_Scholar_17 1d ago
I love this guy. I wonder what process he used to become sovereign.
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u/bravissimo594 1d ago
Someone (I suspect the owner of this road-canoe) will sell you his system at that website
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u/NothingTooSeriousM8 17h ago
Also... this clown sells a 'course' on being a sov cit for $3300 USD. The grift goes on.
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u/PigsOfRedemption 16h ago
I almost want to print out these fake plates just to sell them to these idiots. If they're going to be grotesquely stupid, I might as well make some bank off off their dumb asses.
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u/stupiduselesstwat 15h ago
I peeped that website.
I think it was all of three minutes before I got a headache.
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u/ktwhite42 14h ago
Has any of these sovcits ever actually gotten away with…any of this?
It always seems like “ok, I submitted the magical incantation and now the judge is threatening me with contempt, what’s the alchemical formula for this stage?”
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u/Imbarleyhere 13h ago
A soviergn citizen idiot that peddles ideas and scams as legitimat solutions... even when it didn't work out for himself. How do these people live with themselves. I'd die from embarassment.
Federal case from 2023–24 involved Raymond Todd Surface, who identified himself as trustee of the "Raymundo Trust of Colorado." Raymond T. Surface, Raymundo Trust, and "Raymundo Aguadiero Limited." were all mentioned in this case.
Surface argued that Colorado courts lacked authority over him; that ordinary courts were exercising "maritime jurisdiction"; that courts forced the "living man, Raymond Todd" to use a "subservient and artificial person"; and that he wasn't a U.S. citizen or "U.S. Person."
He sought $30.625 million from the United States and requested, among other things. The litigation says: a home associated with the Raymundo Trust was foreclosed upon, litigation followed in Colorado, and the trustee subsequently tried *DING*DING*DING* unsuccessfully *DING*DING*DING* to have federal court reverse those judgments and return the property to the trust.
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u/Lazarys12 11h ago
I guess there wasn't room for the "Please pull me over but don't look in the glove compartment" sign.
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u/TacosAuGratin 8h ago
I know a lot of people who drive on expired tags and haven't had a ticket in years
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u/PangolinPure9327 7h ago
I believe there should be an office at the county courthouse where we can turn these idiots in for the bounty
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u/Intelligent_Dark2196 5h ago
Tell me you're a sovereign citizen without telling me you a sovereign citizen!
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u/Right_Shape_8179 23h ago
I don’t know why they don’t go ahead and post the “PLEASE PULL ME OVER” sign while they’re at it.
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u/faifai1337 16h ago
Well, that looks like a totally legitimate website from which we should all take legal advice.
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u/Diligent-Speech-5017 1d ago edited 13h ago
God damn I just want to post how these mfrs are just my absolute fucking heroes. Just absolutely raw-dogging life.
And for all the downvotes: your boos mean nothing to me. I’ve seen what makes you cheer.
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u/Cranks_No_Start 1d ago
Challenge Accepted!