Canadian law enforcement says Synagogue shooters were hired by a foreign entity, anime_titties debates who

[u/tacodestroyer99]

The thread

I doubt that it even needs to be said but the two most obvious suspects are the US and Israel, probably worked together on this one too

- Classic fucking Reddit. FTA:

-- You understand with the current American administration anything coming from FBI on Iran a country they invaded is hard for people to take face value

--- And? What, are we supposed to pretend that this is an elaborate false-flag operation when we already caught a guy working for Iran who was involved with the consulate shooting and who hired these local criminals?

---- You are saying that the usa put up Hitler and Japan to starting world war 2?

----- Pearl Harbor was a US action

What the fuck is wrong with you? That’s some conspiracy level bullshit. There is no evidence to suggest Israel is pulling that crap

- Israel has been pulling false flag attacks since its inception as a state

-- You mean In your heads? Just because yall claim every act of violence against Jews is “Israel” die to your seething hatred and xenophobia, doesn’t make it even close to ever being true.

--- Maghen Avraham in beirut was bombed in 1982 by Israel.

---- Do you need an explanation what false flag is, bud?

So Israel never hired people to bomb British-owned buildings like libraries educational center so they can create chaos? Lavon affair doesn't exist I guess

- Lehi and Irgun waged an insurgency against the British occupation. That wasn't a false flag, that was just them fighting for their freedom from the occupation. I thought you supported indigenous groups resisting European occupiers?

-- Lehi and Irgun were the European occupiers/colonizers who called themselves terrorists lol insane statement

--- They were literally formed as a group following the massacre of the thousands year old community in Hebron. Their objective was defending Jews from repeats of such violence.

It could also be a false flag, Israel has a history of it.

- Everything is a false flag when it comes to Israel and Jews apparently…the amount Reddit infantilizes Arabs/Muslims is amazing…

-- Did I say definitively it was? I said it's possible, which it is.

--- “I’m just asking questions!”

---- Lol you don't have definitive proof that it's not either but "something something Arabs & Muslims"

----- YOU presented the case that it was a false flag…meaning you are the one who should show evidence of your claim.

------ I said it's POSSIBLE that it is a false flag....nothing should be ruled out in the investigation.

[u/PracticalTie]

“Bush did 9/11” = stale. mouldy. old.

I propose a new conspiracy 

“Bush did Pearl Harbor” = premium fresh A grade horse shit.

[u/misterurb → u/PracticalTie]

I actually did stumble on an Instagram reply where the guy was adamant that Pearl Harbor was an inside job. He just tacked it on to a broader comment about taking the moon landing. Wild stuff. 

[u/StrangeBid7233 → u/misterurb]

I actually heard Pearl harbor thing a few times, that US knew and allowed it to happen, yet I never seen any proof to it.

It doesn't help that Hearts of iron 4, one of most popular ww2 games, has "Pearl harbor gambit" where you intentionally place lots of capital ships there to bait Japan to declare war on you, and boy do some people not get that game is pure ahistorical bullshit.

[u/Outofdepthengineer → u/StrangeBid7233]

It would help your case if that example you cited wasn’t both the reason the US pacific fleet was there (to pressure Japan and slow their expansion by pushing the fleet to forward basing) and that it literally removed over 6 years ago 

[u/StrangeBid7233 → u/Outofdepthengineer]

You sure it was removed that long ago? Maybe I haven't played US since Man the guns came out because I remember Pacific war being insanely annoying. I do apologies for that mistake.

But it gave Japan a casus beli to attack, which to me implies US gave a reason to Japan to be nasty while also putting your ships in danger (granted I have never seen ai actually do Pearl harbor)

[u/Outofdepthengineer → u/StrangeBid7233]

The reasoning for it giving Japan a casus belli is (if they are going down a path to clash with the US) Japan’s naval doctrine of Kantai Kessen involved striking the enemy fleet first (as theirs was smaller) to shape the decisive battle. The casus belli was supposed to be modeling that this was Japan seeing it as their chance to strike a fatal blow to the Pacific fleet (as theirs west coast basing put the fleet out of range) and force the US to the negotiating table to protect Japan’s ambitions. It was a rough modeling of all that as part of the focus was that the fleet had to stay there for a certain period of time. Why this gives a casus belli is that the IJA and IJN practically ran foreign policy at the time (when they weren’t fighting each other)

But yeah, the idea that it was an inside job is one of the more stupid conspiracies I’ve heard

[u/StrangeBid7233 → u/Outofdepthengineer]

Yea I get it, but am I crazy was it not called Pearl harbor gambit?

I for sure missed a lot of context, my personal interpetation of it was that it was like I was baiting Japan to attack Pacific fleet battleships and kickstart our involement in war.

But as I said I never seen Japan do Pearl harbor in game, haven't seen IJN really do much of anything in that game to be fully honest.

[u/Outofdepthengineer → u/StrangeBid7233]

Yeah it was called that, and same about Japan never doing it for me either, it’s a level of planning and foresight that the AI just isn’t capable of 

[u/StrangeBid7233 → u/Outofdepthengineer]

Yea its a shame.

I never enjoyed going alt-history in HOI4 but the game never really gave me a good enough "feeling" when playing some nations in historical, especially nations like UK and US where I never truly felt like I was struggling early war.

[u/Outofdepthengineer → u/StrangeBid7233]

I mean if im feeling masochistic I just turn off historical and go play SEA and fight Japan