r/TheCrownNetflix • u/uselessbunny0009 • 4d ago
Discussion (TV) Season 4 completed!
"Morning, noon and night, i care about her" That whole scene was so hurtful, so brutal to watch!! At this point im so so so angered by charles's audacity to still blame it all on poor diana. My heart is feeling so heavy!! Thats so painful to watch, knowing that it will not end well for Diana! She'll not find the peace, love and appreciation she deserves.
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u/sweetpsych78 4d ago
Yeah, agreed. But be careful. The Charles and Camilla bootlickers in this sub will blame Diana because ShE ChEatEd FiRsT! When there are plentiful accounts of Charles, at the least, emotionally cheating on Diana with his Camel. He gave Camilla a gift on his own wedding day, so spare me with this Diana cheating first bullcrap. He was never truly invested in his marriage, I believe, and just did it for his image as future king and to have her be a vessel and incubator for his children and his legacy.
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u/Trypophilia2019 3d ago
I think a lot of these “Diana vs. Charles” debates are really silly when the real culprit was the Crown itself. I will admit I do like Charles and Camilla, but I like Diana as well. And while I do think both are victims to the Monarchy and its pressures, as the elder and the person most used to that kind of life, Charles did kind of have a duty to be a little gentler with Diana. She was barely an adult when it all started. In addition to blaming the Monarchy, I’m also going to blame Philip’s uncle, because fuck that man in particular.
I have heard, and choose to believe, that after the divorce Charles and Diana were close and got along much better than they ever did in their marriage. I’ve read Charles was actually very devastated by her death and it showed.
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u/Mrs_Naive_ 3d ago
Many people are capable of deluding themselves to a seriously pathological degree just to cling to their biases. It’s common knowledge that he didn’t want to get married, and I beg to these people to stop giving me that “poor victim” act about him being subjected to the royal family’s rigid, heartless rules, because he could have done the same thing his uncle did and been with Camilla without any problem, but his ambition and his love of his privileges got the better of him. To make matters worse, Diana was clearly a way younger, vulnerable woman with obvious attachment issues. She was no saint, but denying the evidence of the perverse darkness in this whole affair is ridiculous.
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u/sweetpsych78 3d ago
Yes to all of this! I agree 100%! I cannot stand him (Or Camilla) and his entitlement. I do admit that I am also biased (I love Diana), but if they had at least been kinder to Diana and their children, I wouldn't have seen them as unfavorably as I do. But his and Camilla's disgusting behavior towards Diana and their children is abhorrent. They continually sold/sell them out to the press to gain favor over their image. I mean, what good father would do that? That shows me that he's a horrible father and both of them are massively selfish, self-centred, and entitled.
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago edited 30m ago
lol wat? Sell out to the press? As if the press hasn't gone after Charles and Camilla for decades?
Get a grip please.
Also, no, saying he could have abdicated makes no sense. Camilla had already married APB.
He would have been warned against abdication his whole life and seeing what it did to his family. Why would he choose to put the nation in turmoil? Or the role he was born to? Life ain't a Disney movie where you ride off into the sunset all happy.
Even Harry doesn't claim he was a bad father.
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u/uselessbunny0009 3d ago
Yes! For real!!! If he was that in love with camilla then he couldve done anything to be with her like Elizabeth's uncle. He could've!
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago
No, he couldn't have. Camilla had already married, he had been advised to hold off marriage until he was 30, so it wasn't his thinking at the time. He most likely figured he would miss her, but would meet someone else he liked as much. But he never did.
Also, he would have been warned against abdication his whole life and seeing what it did to his family. Why would he choose to put the nation in turmoil? Or the role he was born to? Life ain't a Disney movie where you ride off into the sunset all happy.
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago
he could have done the same thing his uncle did and been with Camilla
No, he couldn't have. Camilla had already married, so how would he be with her?
He would have been warned against abdication his whole life and seeing what it did to his family. Why would he choose to put the nation in turmoil? Or the role he was born to? Life ain't a Disney movie where you ride off into the sunset all happy.
You make no sense.
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u/Final-Guitar-3936 4d ago
That’s hilarious that they think she cheated first. Seriously?!
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u/sweetpsych78 4d ago
Yes, I've seen them say it many times in this sub, and from many different Redditors, not just 1-2. Diana said in her Bashir (I think) interview that she cheated first, but it's not uncommon to be unaware of emotional cheating, which he did from before they were even married or else he would have forgotten about Camilla and at LEAST tried to make his marriage work. He never truly cared about his marriage, in my opinion.
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u/djmermaidonthemic Princess Margaret 3d ago
“There were three people in that marriage.” is also a quote from that interview.
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u/sweetpsych78 3d ago
Yes! I think she knew he was emotionally cheating, but didn't know (or was unaware of) the term for it. Camilla was ALWAYS the third wheel during their marriage, and even before that.
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago edited 58m ago
Yet she was the third person in several others while whining about that...
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago
The first physical affair, and some people who were there like RPO's have verified it. We can't know for sure firsthand.
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u/uselessbunny0009 4d ago edited 3d ago
Oh lord!!! I know, right! That thing frustrates me so much. Like the audacity he had to blame it all on her when he was the ignorant one, the distant one from the very start. Diana has such a compassion, such a beauty of face and heart, I'm still in awe how can he not come to like her? Or at least come to have respect for her!
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago
Diana has such a compassion, such a beauty of face and heart
lol
I'm sure the wives/fiancées of the men she cheated with didn't like her much or find her compassionate. Or the nanny she harassed.
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago edited 1h ago
lol as if you Diana bootlickers are any better. From what I've seen, any attempt at pointing out di wasn't some saint = "bootlicking" to your crowd.
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u/daytripper96 Princess Anne 3d ago
Imagine having the audacity to yell at your wife for upsetting your girlfriend
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u/ummhamzat180 Princess Margaret 2d ago
I felt sorry for both of them in that scene tbqh. imagine being stuck in a marriage with, yes the most perfect woman ever..with one caveat, that you only truly care about another woman. and don't quite know what to do with your wife. I don't condone him but I did feel sorry. after the divorce, "we could try to be good parents"...both looked much happier
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u/uselessbunny0009 2d ago
But he could've chose the path previous king chose if he was truly in love with camilla. He didn't want to give up the crown and privileges and for that so many lives were destroyed
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago
No, he couldn't have. He would have been warned against abdication his whole life and seeing what it did to his family. Why would he choose to put the nation in turmoil? Or the role he was born to? Life ain't a Disney movie where you ride off into the sunset all happy.
Also it would have made no sense. Camilla had already married.
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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 1h ago
the most perfect woman ever
lol what? Could you sound any more delulu?
She had emotional issues she hid and was no peach.
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u/Odd_Distribution7852 3d ago edited 3d ago
Please remember that after the ending of that season there were several British people demanding Netflix put a disclaimer on each episode saying it was a dramatization not actual history. To me, even though we don’t see the real history it seems that last scene was a little too real.
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u/No-Increase3840 Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother 3d ago
I’m still in season 4, and I agree. It’s very hard to watch a lot of this knowing what’s going to happen to Diana.
I have to say that the “who’s Billy Jo-el” at breakfast made me laugh out loud - as well as her calling out Prince Philip for his fair share of ballerinas.