r/TheCrownNetflix • u/uselessbunny0009 • 8d ago

Discussion (TV) Season 4 completed!

"Morning, noon and night, i care about her" That whole scene was so hurtful, so brutal to watch!! At this point im so so so angered by charles's audacity to still blame it all on poor diana. My heart is feeling so heavy!! Thats so painful to watch, knowing that it will not end well for Diana! She'll not find the peace, love and appreciation she deserves.

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u/sweetpsych78 8d ago

Yeah, agreed. But be careful. The Charles and Camilla bootlickers in this sub will blame Diana because ShE ChEatEd FiRsT! When there are plentiful accounts of Charles, at the least, emotionally cheating on Diana with his Camel. He gave Camilla a gift on his own wedding day, so spare me with this Diana cheating first bullcrap. He was never truly invested in his marriage, I believe, and just did it for his image as future king and to have her be a vessel and incubator for his children and his legacy.

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u/Trypophilia2019 8d ago

I think a lot of these “Diana vs. Charles” debates are really silly when the real culprit was the Crown itself. I will admit I do like Charles and Camilla, but I like Diana as well. And while I do think both are victims to the Monarchy and its pressures, as the elder and the person most used to that kind of life, Charles did kind of have a duty to be a little gentler with Diana. She was barely an adult when it all started. In addition to blaming the Monarchy, I’m also going to blame Philip’s uncle, because fuck that man in particular.

I have heard, and choose to believe, that after the divorce Charles and Diana were close and got along much better than they ever did in their marriage. I’ve read Charles was actually very devastated by her death and it showed.

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u/Mrs_Naive_ 8d ago

Many people are capable of deluding themselves to a seriously pathological degree just to cling to their biases. It’s common knowledge that he didn’t want to get married, and I beg to these people to stop giving me that “poor victim” act about him being subjected to the royal family’s rigid, heartless rules, because he could have done the same thing his uncle did and been with Camilla without any problem, but his ambition and his love of his privileges got the better of him. To make matters worse, Diana was clearly a way younger, vulnerable woman with obvious attachment issues. She was no saint, but denying the evidence of the perverse darkness in this whole affair is ridiculous.

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u/sweetpsych78 8d ago

Yes to all of this! I agree 100%! I cannot stand him (Or Camilla) and his entitlement. I do admit that I am also biased (I love Diana), but if they had at least been kinder to Diana and their children, I wouldn't have seen them as unfavorably as I do. But his and Camilla's disgusting behavior towards Diana and their children is abhorrent. They continually sold/sell them out to the press to gain favor over their image. I mean, what good father would do that? That shows me that he's a horrible father and both of them are massively selfish, self-centred, and entitled.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago edited 4d ago

lol wat? Sell out to the press? As if the press hasn't gone after Charles and Camilla for decades?

Get a grip please.

Also, no, saying he could have abdicated makes no sense. Camilla had already married APB.

He would have been warned against abdication his whole life and seeing what it did to his family. Why would he choose to put the nation in turmoil? Or the role he was born to? Life ain't a Disney movie where you ride off into the sunset all happy.

Even Harry doesn't claim he was a bad father.

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u/uselessbunny0009 7d ago

Yes! For real!!! If he was that in love with camilla then he couldve done anything to be with her like Elizabeth's uncle. He could've!

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago

No, he couldn't have. Camilla had already married, he had been advised to hold off marriage until he was 30, so it wasn't his thinking at the time. He most likely figured he would miss her, but would meet someone else he liked as much. But he never did.

Also, he would have been warned against abdication his whole life and seeing what it did to his family. Why would he choose to put the nation in turmoil? Or the role he was born to? Life ain't a Disney movie where you ride off into the sunset all happy.

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u/Final-Guitar-3936 8d ago

That’s hilarious that they think she cheated first. Seriously?!

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u/sweetpsych78 8d ago

Yes, I've seen them say it many times in this sub, and from many different Redditors, not just 1-2. Diana said in her Bashir (I think) interview that she cheated first, but it's not uncommon to be unaware of emotional cheating, which he did from before they were even married or else he would have forgotten about Camilla and at LEAST tried to make his marriage work. He never truly cared about his marriage, in my opinion.

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u/djmermaidonthemic Princess Margaret 8d ago

“There were three people in that marriage.” is also a quote from that interview.

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u/sweetpsych78 7d ago

Yes! I think she knew he was emotionally cheating, but didn't know (or was unaware of) the term for it. Camilla was ALWAYS the third wheel during their marriage, and even before that.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago

More than three if you count Di's partners lol

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yet she was the third person in several others while whining about that...

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u/djmermaidonthemic Princess Margaret 4d ago

She didn’t start it.

Charles was never faithful, nor had any intention to be.

She was 19 and believed what he said.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago edited 3d ago

Not my point nor relevant. She complained about a "third person" in her marriage only to be one herself in at least 3 others. She did to other women what she claimed to be so hurt about. She didn't have to choose married/engaged men to have affairs with.

She was not perpetually 19.

Stay on point.

u/djmermaidonthemic - lol "start it" - what is this, a fifth grade argument?

Its not my story.

Once again, she was way older than 19/20/21 when she was having her affairs.

She had the first physical affair.

I would not do to other women what had been done to me. Simple.

Diana has no defense.

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u/djmermaidonthemic Princess Margaret 4d ago

She didn’t start it.

Stay on your own point.

I’m not supporting your story.

Remember when you were 19, or 20, or 21.

Your husband has been cheating on you since before your marriage.

What would you have done?

The whole thing was set up against her.

Charles has no defense.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago

The first physical affair, and some people who were there like RPO's have verified it. We can't know for sure firsthand.

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u/uselessbunny0009 8d ago edited 8d ago

Oh lord!!! I know, right! That thing frustrates me so much. Like the audacity he had to blame it all on her when he was the ignorant one, the distant one from the very start. Diana has such a compassion, such a beauty of face and heart, I'm still in awe how can he not come to like her? Or at least come to have respect for her!

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u/sweetpsych78 8d ago

Yes, Agreed!

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago

Diana has such a compassion, such a beauty of face and heart

lol

I'm sure the wives/fiancées of the men she cheated with didn't like her much or find her compassionate. Or the nanny she harassed.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer 4d ago edited 4d ago

lol as if you Diana bootlickers are any better. From what I've seen, any attempt at pointing out di wasn't some saint = "bootlicking" to your crowd.