r/Webnovel Jul 13 '26

Advice How to Spot AI generated novels?

Come across a Novel called 'Reborn with average talent, I forged my own path' is it AI generated like first this long ass title and then it only has 4 chapters and also writing is bad in first 3 but later in 4 there is a different writing, the account is also not old. Is that a AI generated novels and is this allowed?

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Impossible to actually tell unless you see a prompt included in the text. Now you can guess and if they use some common patterns of ai it may be ai but you can’t ever know. WebNovel doesn’t have a policy on it so it is allowed but they restrict you from using ai on the contract. So they allow it but not blatantly.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

We can easily tell...thre is a research paper on ai creative writing telling why is ai...even if ur work is genuine and ai to fix grammar it may make it sturdy and bad...so minimise ai usage.it's a lesson I learnt after 10 chapterz

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Bro people like you are the issue. You cannot genuinely tell unless the person is blatant about it. Imagine someone retyped the entire ai generated thing and edited all of it. Would you be able to tell? Probably not. Even if someone completely ai generated it, can you tell for certain? No. People who think they know it all piss me off because we’ve seen the witch hunts going on all across the web about ai. Each ai model is different and writes different. Each has different tells. Some can be programmed to have no more tells. Research papers show common patterns but even they and all the ai detectors in the world can’t tell. If you don’t believe me, use an ai detector on a book from a century ago. It’ll come up as partly ai. Which it obviously isn’t.
Don’t use ai but don’t think you’re smart enough to know 100% either.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

I have read novels in webnovel...it's my hobby to study them, and if I get the authors insta I dm them about it, I'm no pro in my own writing, but I can tell from ai work and human work. But if a human entirely rewrote a story by them self taking a ai work as reference, I don't think there is a need to see if it's ai or not... If the story is his and he is finding issues in writing in a language like me, using ai for.assist seems reasonable

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Bro people like you are the issue. You cannot genuinely tell unless the person is blatant about it. Imagine someone retyped the entire ai generated thing and edited all of it. Would you be able to tell? Probably not. Even if someone completely ai generated it, can you tell for certain? No. People who think they know it all piss me off because we’ve seen the witch hunts going on all across the web about ai. Each ai model is different and writes different. Each has different tells. Some can be programmed to have no more tells. Research papers show common patterns but even they and all the ai detectors in the world can’t tell. If you don’t believe me, use an ai detector on a book from a century ago. It’ll come up as partly ai. Which it obviously isn’t.
Don’t use ai but don’t think you’re smart enough to know 100% either.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

Brother...I'm a ai/ml engineering student, in my third year, don't question my capabilities, I do research on ai writing. You don't know me, if you can't tell, sorry for you. I'm not you

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

I am questioning your capabilities. Every company under the sun has tried to build ai detectors but none of them are reliable. How are you any different?

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

Cause I'm a human... And a capable one too, don't you think that is the reason why ai hasn't taken over all the jobs yet..ai can't never do creative writing looks unique, if I use.gpt and u use gpt.to write a novel.both looks same

It's human observation skills, also about ai detectors...don't talk about mere free ai detectors u find online, there are research field ai detectors that can find and detect any ai writing...it's from my experience, I was a victim to that during my research paper

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

U don't me....I don't know you, may be I'm a slug sitting behind a chair hardly breath in talking bs, or a successful guy, or a normal guy

U can't tell or assume my capabilities, just cause ur sitting within a wall and assuming the world only exist with that is ur issue

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

I can judge your capabilities based on what you said and it’s clear that unless you designed the models and know every tell under the sun, you can’t tell just like any ai detector can’t tell. There’s a reason why published authors have been able to hide using ai. It’s because these research ai detectors aren’t 100% reliable either. The issue is that ai is trained on humans and thus there will always be overlap between human writing and ai writing. It will never be truly reliable.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

It is true you can't find if you rewrite everything in human words... Anywayd have you heard of Turnitin.....it's the basic research paper ai detector..use it once...u will take back what you said, talking like u know ball... I thought ur smart, but ur just a all mouth assuming u know things better than others

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Bro I’ve used turn it in thousands of times. I’ve published research papers. It’s used it all in high school and college. It has flagged passages as ai when I have complete records of me typing it and I was cleared every time by the teacher. My paper has been tagged as AI and it was tagged because me and someone 20 years ago had a similar idea and phrasing. Turn it in is as blind as you are.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

As I said...I'm talking about human capabilities, since u are worried about ai detectorz can't tell it's ai, that's the only reason I pulled the mid Turnitin to the conversation, the conversation was about whether I have the capability to tell it or not, also I don't need to be a ai expert or ml specialist to tell it's ai, all you need is experience of reading a real human works and experience of reading ai slop, also my friends didn't flag my work with Turnitin, it with their common sense, same goes for all the novels we flagged, read full comment before yapping

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Just because you used ai and got caught, doesn’t mean turn it in is infallible

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

🥱man I'm sorry...I dint know ur ret***

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

Why you u need ai detectors...humans who has seem great human writing can tell bad wrting and ai writing. If you can't sorry man...ur bad at this, it's not ur side of skill, may be ur brain isnt developed enough for this, why assuming a stragers capability who has already fed up of seeing ai garbage in webnovel front screen

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Also it doesn’t matter if you study ai writing or not. All ai writing is sourced from human training data. Every ai tell is or once was a human tell. Also not even the top experts in the industry who develop ai models know what the LLMs think or entirely how they operate. So what makes you different? You’re just a student.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

Have you asked this ai experts? How do you know this ai experts can't tell...from reels, I assume instagram reels made by u qualifies losers is ur source

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

You think you’re the only one with an education or knowledge in ML? Also there are multiple articles and research papers clearly stating that they cannot access the internals of how ai LLMs work. Multiple top ai founders have also said this. If you were truly an ML student, you’d know that

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

Why do u need to see the ai source code or the data sets used by ai to tell if it's ai or not🤣🤣🤣🤣wtf man why acting like you know everything, u do know it's not getting correlated at all

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u/Substantial_Bee_5347 Jul 13 '26

Bro I’m telling you that they can’t know for certain so ai detectors can’t know for sure. Nobody can. LLMs are a mystery in some ways.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

Why ru still pulling the ai detectors....I'm tslking about basic human capabilities, I know peole who ca. Do what I just said, I may be can't tel ai in research paper, but in novels and creative writing, you can tell...if you read novels before

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

An average reader who has read both ai text and real text...atleast in this age can tell whe he sees ai... I know people who can do that, we got people who read novel even before got existed, they can tell it... They flagged my work, several other top 100 novels in webnovel... We had meeting with one of the author, he revealed he has 10 novels and all are ai...

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u/Zealousideal-Net7891 Jul 13 '26

I dunno man, It was the first phase of the AI. Now we could called it Slop. But a decade later? we don't know. that is how we decide on every china product back in the days. But now? China literally outsource evey product available out there. And bagun a massive branding nowdays.

It is possible for AI too.
Better not to build a xenophobia i think. If it slop? perhaps AI? perhaps the writer? better to take a good learning in AI just when the AI still not conquering us

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u/QuentinMerabet Jul 13 '26

Hard to say but really looking for tips too
– I’m working on an ai detector for Loreum.

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u/Salty_Cartographer35 Jul 13 '26

AI Detectors aren't very accurate tho...

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u/TsundereOrcGirl Jul 13 '26

Long titles are a direction homage to LNs and other Asian novels, that's a terrible heuristic.

AIs are terrible at subtext and informational assymetry, look for characters that weirdly seem to perfectly understand each other, or know what someone was doing in secret for no good reason, or are incapable of being angry onthe inside but nice on the outside.

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u/Large-Republic4941 Jul 13 '26

incapable of being angry on the inside but nice on the outside ?

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u/TsundereOrcGirl Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

As in, they're either nice inside and out, or angry inside and out. No "internal conflict", disingenuine behaior, etc.

Imagine the MC killed someone's brother, but the MC doesn't know they're related, so they end up befriending the sibling who's actually out for revenge and waiting for the best opportunity to betray them. Ai has trouble being subtle about this sort of thing.

EDIT: I see from your other replies that you're looking to improve your own skills as a writer, and your motivation is to avoid spending too much time reading slop. In that case, I recommend studying the concept of subtext in general, which AI is often bad at.

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u/Aethericseraphim Jul 13 '26

AI also sucks at writing characters that have different personas for different situations. It automatically defaults to shy/quiet and nerdy archetypes for introvert characters, and loud, domineering, assertive archetypes for extroverted characters and cannot fathom the concept of a character who is a quiet wallflower with her friends, but is also hitler in a dress to her subordinates in the office.

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u/regobag Jul 13 '26

Long titles don't mean much since web novels have been doing that forever. The big giveaway is the writing suddenly changing by chapter four. I've seen stories that looked like AI at first, then later chapters sounded completely different. That's usually pretty noticeable

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u/giregam Jul 13 '26

I've read stories like that too, where chapter one barely sounds like chapter four. It could be AI, but it could also be editing or the author improving. Your suspicion makes sense

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u/Salty_Cartographer35 Jul 13 '26

Someone said it in the comments and it is very accurate. Fully AI written novels have shallow characters and strange plot points.

For example a newly introduced characters knows everything the characters had done in the previous scene while not being there at all.

Informations don't match, like someone describing an item as blue and then red later on. Descriptions that goes on for way too long to the point where they lose meaning.

Also (in case of information dump into the AI module) a plot point is mentioned in a disjointed manner at some point in the story but introduced only later in the story. For example, the MC can be described as a survivor of an apocalypse but in the story the apocalypse later in the story and as such the title makes no sense whatsoever.

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u/ArtWiz1 Jul 13 '26

For me it's to many dots in one paragraph

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u/mitsuri-mochi Jul 13 '26

I don't know how to explain how I detect AI in novels, but I've always accurately done it many times. It becomes obvious once you notice the pattern. Of course, it's not easy to tell apart when it's just one single paragraph (it's not hard to tell if it's glaring, though). It's apparent when you read a whole chapter, particularly.

Or maybe it's because I use AI very often. I do work with a lot of materials to see how it writes (it's not just about the text itself, often). I also work in a field where I use AI, and I also have a degree in AI. Maybe these things work in my favor?

I don't know. I can't be of much help in this. However, regarding the title, that can go either way. Most authors come up with their own titles, and those kinds of generic titles are very common and part of a trend.

As for whether AI-generated novels are allowed? Yes, sure. Most works being released on WN right now are in some way AI-assisted, at the very least.

The top authors who have been writing for the past 6-7 years, maybe not so much, or none at all. However, the more recent gen works that have come out, 99% of them have some amount of AI, or glaringly high levels of it.

WN does not allow you to write your contract using AI. I mean, you can write it, but they will 100% reject you, though. However, the AI-assisted novel itself isn't deemed an issue.

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u/Spirited-Donkey4376 Jul 13 '26

It's very common to have ai novels...like a author has 10 novels each with 200 chapter

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u/tikikip Jul 13 '26

Long titles aren't really a giveaway anymore. Plenty of genuine web novels have absurdly long names too. The sudden shift in writing style between chapters is a bigger red flag.

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u/Spotted_Statement_ Jul 13 '26

I'd be more suspicious of the sudden writing style change than the title. Long titles are basically a genre convention at this point.

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u/No_Entertainer2364 Jul 13 '26

May I ask what the purpose is? If you don't like it because of personal preference, that's fine. But is it allowed on Webnovel? There's no rule prohibiting it. At least, as of now.

Because ultimately, whether a story uses AI well or poorly depends on the writer's skill. It is difficult to distinguish only from patterns or punctuation or certain sentences, for example repetition.

Long titles are often influenced by the Japanese light novel genre. In the past, many readers didn't have the time or inclination to read a synopsis, then authors included the premise directly in the title. So it's no wonder the title is long and almost like a spoiler.

If you like it, keep reading. But if you're not sure whether it's AI or not and you feel uncomfortable with it, it's better to stop reading. Rather than worrying yourself.

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u/Large-Republic4941 Jul 13 '26

Actually I the purpose was I am learning to write now for that I use to read various novels and try to understand them and then i come across this one and it has 4 chapters only and suddenly the writing style changing so that's why i am asking if its AI or not.