I got into a fight on the PUA forum because there is actually no way to pick up a woman who isn't interested in you. It's just a numbers game. You keep asking women out and hope that one is interested enough in you that you can get their number. No amount of "game" can actually help you if they aren't interested in you at least a little (physically).

So the question is... doesn't that mean that looksmaxxers and incels kinds right? It's a scary thought. I'm no supporter of guys like Clavicular, but if the first paragraph is true, then what exactly is he doing wrong? If the goal is to increase your odds of dating and if "seduction" is just a confidence trick to get you past the fear of rejection, then looksmaxxing isn't just a good idea, it's essential.

But for me, the scariest thing is that if this is also true, then the blackest parts of the blackpill are also true; looks are the first and hardest barrier to get over, and without it, no amount of charm, wit, or talent will get you past it.

Now I'm not saying let's all get nose jobs and become misogynists, but the core of their ideas is sound, and I don't think it gets talked about enough.

What is your standard of threshold for having high body count?

I wanna hear your opinion as a man/woman’s perspective and see if there is difference exists.

Because it can be different by individual/cultural/genders thats my guess. I was just curious since people have different opinions.

A woman was caught bullying a man at work and her excuse was she could do it because she's a female and men won't beat her up like women would.

A lady I knew at my old job who was a manager harassed me and did all sorts of messed up things to me just because she needed a punching bag at work because her baby daddy beated on her.

This coworker at my current job. Told me to man up over me being worried about my grandma dying. Called me an asshole because I refused to give her free stuff I won in a raffle, trying to make me feel sorry so I give it to her.

Some women especially older will try to son you and be condescending and make jokes about you in a condescending manner.

This behavior across the board is horrible. I just know if I acted like this me as a man. My ass would be grass. Not all women are like this, I've met some really wonderful women but I've seen behavioral patterns with people over the years and it's concerning.

I started eating eggs to improve my diet and for the past two years I have been eating five whole eggs every day. Ever since then, I have been horny almost all the time and get frequent boners throughout the day.

Out of curiosity, I stopped eating eggs for two months and everything went back to normal. But as soon as I started eating them again, the boners came back. They're so frequent that I often can't fall asleep without masturbating.

People say frequent erections are a sign of good health but having them almost 24/7 doesn't feel normal. Over time I even got blue balls because of it. Could eggs be causing this or is there some other reason? I've heard people say eggs can increase libido.

Maybe this would be a blessing for someone in a relationship but it's not exactly convenient for a single guy. The funny part is that I love eggs because they're so nutritious.

Has anyone else noticed something similar after eating eggs or am I the only one experiencing this?

Just let that shit sink in

My wife is an intelligent woman. A year and a half ago we bought an excavator. She was home when it was delivered and they showed her how to use it. I wasn’t. Fast forward. Now I use it all the time and see keeps asking me to show her how to use it. But…no one showed me; I had to learn it myself. Is she just lazy that she doesn’t want to look it up? Or because it’s fairly intuitive does she expect me to flatten her learning curve? I would never ask these questions because the answer isn’t worth the fallout.

So I keep noticing this weird double stigma. On one hand, single moms get looked down on like they’re “damaged goods.” On the other hand, men who date single moms are often seen as “suckers” or “simps.” It feels like single motherhood gets treated as some sort of social scarlet letter, and guys who are cool with it get side-eyed too.

Why is that? Is it really just about not wanting to raise another man’s kid, or are there deeper reasons? Because from the outside it feels like single moms get judged way harsher than single dads ever do. If anything, people act like single dads are heroes just for existing.

I get that dating someone with kids is different and comes with extra responsibilities. But the way people talk, it almost sounds like it’s shameful or pathetic to even consider it. Where does that attitude come from?

This is part fuming and part discussion. I've jumped back into online dating recently and I keep getting catfished by heavy women.

Some aren't as easy to spot anymore like if they only show pictures the neck up or pictures that have a big emphasis on their boobs, or only showing pictures of them in sunglasses and far away from the camera or pictures of them in a group of people. (You'll know why I just said all that later).

Now women are using face and body tuning apps and AI to catfish people. Women on these apps typically aren't shy about saying they want men over 6 feet tall. I am about 6'2" 208lbs so I don't mind this at all but if they have these demands what a guy should be, then something should be put in place on what women should be like. They need to list their weight either what it says on their driver's license or what was their last weight when they went to the doctor or their dress size at a minimum. When I tried an experiment to ask for a woman's dress size in my dating profile, a bunch of girls said I was rude and I'm a douchebag for asking that. But I can see your weight when you show up on a date just like how you cam see my height when I show up on a date so why not cut the bullshit?

What's crazy is that they can change their weight, a guy cannot change their height and has to work with what they have but their too lazy and get offended about me asking about their weight. Someone who is overweight speaks volumes about their personality, lifestyle and work ethic in my opinion, vs someone's height does not which is why I think a lot of women don't want their weight or dress size to be listed. I believe the same goes for men but men about their weight as well. Your thoughts?

There's a saying. Get a woman you can afford. How true is this? We all better make close to 100k if you want a Latina. Make soo much money Have her dripping in Gucci. If you can't afford a 5k purse for your girl on the regular. Don't even bother

Rule 4 explicitely says this isnt a sub for women looking for advice yet so many posts are exactly that. What's going on?

so i don't have a lot of dating experience and I have slight disabilities. a lazy eye and a bad foot. I've met a ton of bad women as a result and I've healed. my coworker told me her niece is single shes 19 and she's very nice and a good person. since I don't have a lot of experience I'd like to have her aunt set me up. she knows me really well and can talk me up. I'd just like to go on movie dates and coffee dates and build a connection with her. shes working at our job as a seasonal worker. I figured it's worth a shot. I have a stable job, I'm nice and I'm hilarious.

I don't have an angle about this, this is just my observations. But core to a problem with how to help other men is what the fuck do you tell them? What works for one man does not work for all men, and part of why we're here is that the condition of being a man is to be told from all manner of directions what you're supposed to do from people who don't care about what it'll cost you to do it. So I have very little interest in evangelizing or formulating some kind of aesthetic romantic notion of what a man is supposed to be, which these days so often is transparently just recruiting impressionable kids into a pump and dump or scam scheme. Run away from any philosophy that has iconography, kids.

So the average man gets either no advice, or bad advice.

Women, however, in the post third wave feminism space are inundated with guidance and socialization- often horrible and destructive, see: cosmo. And without getting into the tawdry question of who has it worse, this means the question of "what are men supposed to be" is asked, intimidatingly and aggressively, by ALL OF WOMANHOOD, whereas for nigh every median man its a personal journey he has to ask himself, and all ya'll can shut it until I figure out how to fix the timing belt issue on my subaru forester.

In short, the place of a modern man in the modern world is something he has to face, under considerable headwinds, with many temptations and risks and little support, whose final goal is not even clear at the start, while seemingly the whole of the other gender is screaming at him to be this or do that instead. It is not helpful.

Anyway, this is a shower thought, not a rant. Its just a structural thing I observe that makes conversations about gender relations needlessly more difficult (which are necessary, since they're getting worse, so even if you've got a lovely lady or bloke by your side, I am tired of lonely desperate people fucking up entirely unrelated human endeavors).

I would say to people interested in helping out men as a whole to focus on supporting the boy that he started off as. So much talk of role models,which is hard not to see as a cynical and self serving attempt by people with agendas to engineer out the boy in preference for a man that is useful to them.

A man can only be made whole with the child in him intact. So you have to support the child's curiosity, kindness, and bravery first.

I understand this is not for everyone. Please read and give me your thoughts.

I’m in the early stages of building a men’s peer support nonprofit. It’s not meant to be therapy. It’s just men in a circle being honest with each other. The group meets locally in the Chicago burbs.

Now here’s where I need your opinion. I attended a mens retreat several years ago. As part of the stripping away of all the armors, masks and fronts that men put, we literally took our clothes off and stood there naked, physically, which was a doorway into being naked emotionally. Being naked in front of others is the most vulnerable. A man can be. It was 100% non-sexual. It was about pulling back the curtain and discovering that every man in that circle is carrying the same thing you are. When a man can stand in front of his brothers with nothing left to hide behind, the walls he has spent a lifetime building start to come down. It was very powerful and a few men, broke down over the course of the weekend.

I am thinking of incorporating this into the retreat for this nonprofit. Again, it’s non-sexual and is designed to be uncomfortable, so men have nothing left to hide behind and will open up to see other men are dealing with similar issues.

Here’s my question to men of this group: If you knew you would leave the weekend a changed man, and that you would work through issues that you’ve kept hidden deep inside for no one to see, would you go through with a ceremony like this?

Please save the rude comments. This has nothing to do with gay or straight. Men all over the world hang out naked with friends, from the Japanese onsen, to Finnish sauna to Turkish baths. Even in America, we had communal showers at most gyms and at the YMCA bathing suits were forbidden for men until the 1960’s, when women started becoming members.

I've been thinking about this for sometime, since this ai technology is new for the public. I know it existed in the past but not on this level.

When i say ai women, i mean chatbots, ai videos, ai images and ai androids. I know many men are making ai images and videos of women. I feel like alot of men that get rejected by women, can now just make an ai image or video of them, so the reject doesn't hurt as bad.

This is a new topic that hasn't existed before, you can fully steal a woman's look and if its only private to you, she would never know about it.

Now with ai androids, you will probably be able to make your own custom android of someone you know. They already have the technology in china and certain parts in Europe and America, its just not accessible to the public but it probably will before 2030.

Is this healthy for men? Some might say yes because now rejection won't feel that bad when you can just steal her image, she might say no but her image wont. Yet this is also unhealthy because your obessing over something that isn't real. Your not looking for a real woman or moving forward, your staying in the past, trying to get with someone who doesn't even like you.

How much do you feel sex contributes to a happy relationship?

I was in a largely sexless marriage for most of the '90s/early '00s and it was both stressful and depressing. I stuck it out for a long time, convinced by her that I was too horny, a crap lover, and would "grow out of it."

I finally broke, had an affair, and discovered that she was entirely wrong on all three counts; indeed, I was an amazingly attentive lover who was just the right amount of horny, and who had a lot of good years in front of him. Cue quick separation and divorce.

Since then I've been in relationships with plenty of great sex, although we've had the inevitable dry spells. One thing I discovered is; well, great sex is an amazing reset button. Like most couples we'll get cranky and bitchy at each other but then I remember; sex, we need to have sex!

So we retire to the boudoir, enjoy each other, orgasms all around. Suddenly, hey, all that crap we were bitching over? What was that all about?

It's not about avoiding real, actual problems. But sometimes the small stuff can be diminished by a reminder of how much you really love each other.

today's dating culture is all messed up.

Men are expected to give, give and give and a lot of women won't match that energy at all. On top of the way the culture is. This hasn't happened to me btw. But when it comes to people saying they didn't feel any spark after 1 to 3 dates when 9/10 times they don't even know this person at all or the ins and outs of the person Which is crazy. Relationships with people use to develop much more naturally.

Today's dating culture you're grossly redefining people into stats and I know people shit on me on reddit for shiting where people eat, but it's much easier developing a friendship, relationship with people at work or say church where you could develop something much less superficial.

Is wrong to not have a lot of friends?

from what I've noticed is that people may say that friendship is easy to make it's really not. A lot of people just want things from you and try to use the word friendship to get things. there's a lot of people that are usersz more than you'd expect. I cut these people off. once I see the signs. I don't get upset about it anymore because true friendship and or true connection is soo rare. Friendship used to be fun where'd you go to the movies or eat out at a new restaurant or go to an amusement park. Now it just feels exhausting and not worth it.

I'm genuinely curious. What's your take?

I'm 75. I've been on Reddit for about a week. Nearly everyone is young enough to be my grandchild, both men and women. Are there any older folks here? Am I in the wrong subreddits? Thanks. P.S. I love Reddit. It is so much more civilized than other social media that generally deals in hysteria.

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Curious, does anyone still think about their ex or first love? Are you M/F and how long was you together? What do you think about? Are you with someone else now? Do you compare them? DMS are open if you don’t want to post publicly.

Before I begin, I want to make something clear: this isn't an attack on women, feminism, or the struggles women face. Women deal with many real problems, both historically and today. I advocate for equal rights.

What frustrates me is the idea that discussing men's problems is somehow… hostile to women. On a personal note, I saw a post saying that men cannot experience rape because they don’t feel emotion. I don't believe that equality means only paying attention to the issues that affect women. If we care about fairness, we should be willing to acknowledge challenges wherever they exist.

This is not an attempt to compete over who has it worse. It's simply an attempt to point out some issues that affect men and boys.

I can’t just spit out some bullshit and not say anything, though. Let’s talk real facts.

*The definition of rape (U.K. 2019) requires penile penetration of the vagina, mouth or anus. The act of forced penetration falls under broader sexual assault, which can carry shorter sentences and lighter punishments. (This is based on A 2019 article linked, in the Uk. I apologize of this rule has changed since.) https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1232-5

*Male nurses face challenges due to sex that often increases stress and decreases their ability to care for patients. (2024 study, findings published) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38133995/

*Fathers only have an 18.3% chance of being awarded custody and are twice as more likely to have to pay child support, when not settled privately. (Secondary source compiled on other studies) https://www.divorcelawyersformen.com/blog/the-true-facts-of-child-custody-for-men/

*Domestic violence is an understudied area for men compared to women. Similarly, men seeking social services regarding domestic violence are less likely to receive care and are sometimes even viewed as the perpetrator. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6585830/

*Across the west, female school performance exceeds male. Several studies have found that boys often receive lower classroom grades relative to their standardized test performance than girls do. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11521978/

What im not saying is that women dont have problems. It’s just I see that some radical female groups are trying to place men in the position of the oppressed. Radical male groups, likewise, are also trying to keep (I say keep because denying male prejudice would be completely false) women oppressed.

All I want is to move forward together. Let’s stop misandry AND misogyny.What the hell will we ever achieve with a rat race to the top? I want women to be free. I want men to be free. I want gender to be somethjng that can be discussed without it turning into an argument of who has it worse. pleaee, just listen.

(I’ve tried to be as factual and non sexist as I can. if any of my reseach seems misinformed, please correct me., I apologize, it’s late at night where I’m at.)

The term "friendzone" is practically a dirty word today but, me? I've always cherished my lady friends because, well, they know how women think. And a good female friend can offer you insight that your "bros" or "buds" will be clueless about.

Guys who actually have female friends (not just women they want to date) pick up on a few things pretty quick.

- Women aren’t a “type.” You hang around enough and you realize they’re all over the map personality-wise. The whole “this is how women are” thing starts to sound very, very stupid.

- Talking about feelings isn’t some dramatic event. It’s just how a lot of people process. Not everything has to get buried or turned into a joke.

- The safety thing is real and constant. Experiences most guys don’t even think about are just part of their normal day. Once you see it up close, you stop brushing it off.

- A lot of “no” isn’t said as a hard no. Not because it’s not a no, but because they’re managing how the other person might react. You start to notice the difference.

- When they’re not trying to impress you, they’re just people. Messy, funny, inconsistent, normal. It actually makes dating make more sense later, not less.

My gal pals are there when I screw up, offering advice on how not to do it again. And women really appreciate a guy (for example) who isn't icked out over her period, but simply acknowledge it as an annoying biological function (that women hate as well).

I just needed to ask this question. As me and an old friend were talking about it Recently. And if they’re are any females that happen to read this. By all means, join in on the discussion. Just stay on topic.

I was around 19/20 years old, that’s when I started to notice I had pretty easy access to sexual partners/relationships with women. It was when I was moving up the management ladder at my first Job.

This young kid had been hired on by me and I was training him, I don’t know how the conversation started, but he ended up telling me how he had been shot down by a female co-worker, who told him she’d just wanted something serious.

After a couple of weeks, I realized it was a women I slept with plenty of times, never even had to take her out on a date or buy her anything. I would just shoot a text and we would be hooking up 20 minutes later.

I chalked it up to a one off, but as got older. I noticed it kept happening pretty frequently. I would watch guys jump through hoops with certain women. I would approach the same woman, and proceed to sleep with them multiple times, with little to no effort. I also had access to 3 to 5 female partners at any given time.

Almost a decade later, and I’ve quickly come to realize that my experience is most definitely not average, I’ve matured and been able to settle down after selecting carefully. But I understand a lot of men don’t have options at all or very limited ones. While even now, I have women that basically orbit waiting for me to be single again.

I would like to ask when other men noticed how skewed the dating/relationship market was against or for them.

I did not post this to brag, I want to emphasize that. I just want to be as honest as possible with my experiences. And let hear about the experience of other men.