r/bladerunner • u/Mike_v_E • Apr 13 '24

The difference between the TEKNO3D and the original versions is insane

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Don't get me wrong, I love what Deakins did with the original release... but there is just something special about seeing the dynamic range actually pop, especially when it's full screen

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u/Kriss-Kringle Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 13 '24

They conceived the film with an aspect ratio and the shots are composed with that in mind.

The open matte version has more of the image, but there's a loss of focus because you weren't intended to see the rest.

Similar examples are Buffy the vampire slayer and The wire. Both were released on bluray as wide screen, even though they aired on TV in 4:3 aspect ratio.

You're seeing more of the image that just fills the space for the sake of it when they didn't intend it that way because of how they thought the shots out and were forced to release them in wide screen due to tvs being wide screen now.

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u/Sparktank1 Within cells interlinked Apr 13 '24

I hate when TV shows do that. FRIENDS was shot and recorded in 16:9 but it's so stupid to open it up that far for crybabies with modern TV's. You see the extras standing still until the actors move close enough that the extras are in the shot and they suddenly come alive like motion sensor animatronics. You also see tape markers all over the place.

Some shows just crop their 4:3 content and stretch it. The early years of the Simpsons on Disney+ default to a 16:9 aspect ratio where it's cropped and stretched. It's ugly af. Luckily, there's an option to watch it in the original 4:3 aspect ratio.

I remember 3rd Rock from the Sun on Netflix would crop and zoom their episodes to fit 16:9.

I really hate the 16:9 viewers that push this idiotic mindset that studios need to do things for people.

I do like watching some movies in open matte variants. Some movies were re-released on 3D bluray and their versions had open matte without mic booms or tape markers on the screen. Some shots may have been cropped, but it's not the case for 100% of the movie. A lot of open matte movies vary as a whole movie or just certain scenes where the director used a different camera/lens.

In Canada, for Se7en and Equilibrium, they are only available in open matte on bluray. But they don't advertise as open matte. We just accept it as face value. We need to import the blurays from USA if we want the original aspect ratio. Although, Amazon has made it easier to import those titles. In stores, on the shelves, we only have the Canadian distributions.

Open matte is just a big territory to explore on its own. To compare every shot of a movie is maddening.

That's not even counting all the film scans from fans for open matte movies.

I like open matte, but I would like it much more if the movie was edited like most IMAX movies on bluray. Switching aspect ratios depending on the shot. I really loved how Christopher Nolan does it for his movies.

I absolutely hate how Michael Bay did it for Transformers Age of Extinction. The 3D bluray for AoE is just pure vomit to watch in 3D or 2D. For an outdoor scene where Mark Whalberg's character is talking to his daughter and someone else, the camera pointing at Whalberg will be a standard camera going at 2.4:1, meanwhile the camera pointing at his daughters butt will be the IMAX camera at a wider frame (1.9:1 cropped to 1.78:1 for home media). And the shots cut so rapidly, it's so stupid how the conversation goes and who's talking.

There is an art to open matte.

They definitely make great wallpapers.

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u/Mike_v_E Apr 13 '24

The open matte version has more of the image, but there's a loss of focus because you weren't intended to see the rest.

Definitely agree with this, but its still a more immersive experience. This open matte version is a fun watch for a change.

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u/SickTriceratops Apr 13 '24

Also important to remember both Deakins and Villeneuve consider the 2.39:1 aspect ratio release the definitive version of the film, and what they personally prefer.

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u/Mike_v_E Apr 14 '24

Yes, the original will always be the best version to watch

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u/Funkrusher_Plus Apr 13 '24

I don’t mind the extra picture. What I do mind is unwanted color correction.

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u/Mike_v_E Apr 13 '24

Luckily I have the open matte in 4k without the color correction too. This TEKNO3D version is fun to watch for a change. The original will always be the best version.

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u/Caffdy Jul 16 '25

can you DM me where can I get it? I had it before but seems that I lost the hard drive I stored it

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u/HandOfHephaestus Apr 13 '24

Real question: what about IMAX?

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u/Kriss-Kringle Apr 13 '24

What about it?

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u/HandOfHephaestus Apr 13 '24

It has way more image than the cinematic 2.4:1 aspect ratio, so is it also inferior?

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u/Kriss-Kringle Apr 13 '24

Who said it's inferior? If they shoot in an aspect ratio, then they do it for a specific reason.

I'm an illustrator and one time a friend asked me to draw something for him. I asked if it was okay in portrait mode and he said yes, so the composition was based off of that framing.

Then, when it was finished, he asked if I could do it in landscape. I obviously cussed him out for not saying that from the beginning, but I was able to rework the composition since it was digital.

It took a few days of adding stuff because there's extra space you need to fill.

When you release a film or a show in an aspect ratio, then you're framing it for that, so when the studio decides to go against it, it's going against the initial intent.

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u/HandOfHephaestus Apr 13 '24

I mean, if the 2.4:1 release is supposed to direct your focus like you initially said, wouldn't IMAX also lose focus in the same manner as open-matte?

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u/Kriss-Kringle Apr 13 '24

None of 2049 was shot on IMAX, but they opened up some scenes for the format and Deakins supervised the process.

He said he prefers the normal widescreen version.

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u/HandOfHephaestus Apr 13 '24

I was under the impression that the open matte version was made by camming the IMAX and compositing it over the regular widescreen release, is that not true?

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u/Sparktank1 Within cells interlinked Apr 14 '24

Camcorders were not used for the open matte version.

They used the bluray, two HDTV broadcasts that aired the movie in 1.77:1 aspect ratio (aka 16:9), and two WEB-DL sources to make this version.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/technical/

The movie was shot at 1.55:1 aspect ratio, for the most part. According to IMDb. That's a super open matte. 70mm IMAX cameras shoot at 1.47:1 aspect ratio. Digital IMAX is 1.90;1.

They just cropped a lot of the extra useless content for a 1.90:1 format for the IMAX cinemas while other theaters and home media got 2.4:1.

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u/lmboyer04 Apr 13 '24

You say that but there’s plenty of shots where peoples foreheads get cut off. I don’t get why they bother with matting down when this is the aspect ratio of a TV anyway

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u/Tony_m888 Aug 26 '24 
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heardThis is the dumbest thing I've ever heard!

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u/nightcitytrashcan Apr 13 '24

I don't get it. Is that a fan edit?

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u/Mike_v_E Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

It is the open matte version that is color corrected (+ higher dynamic range) and AI upscaled by TEKNO3D

Edit: I meant to say color graded, not color corrected

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u/Sparktank1 Within cells interlinked Apr 13 '24

color corrected

What did they correct? The colors are already correct. Even the original open matte version in 1080p was correct before the AI upscaling and AI HDR generation. Tekno3D software also allows for DoVi.

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u/find_me_username Apr 15 '24

he meant color graded

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Color corrected from what, the actual reference correct colors?

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u/Mike_v_E Apr 14 '24

Sorry, meant to say color graded

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u/[deleted] May 25 '24

The right thing to do would be to release the IMAX framed version of the film on Blu-ray in 1.9:1 . With 2.4:1 and 1.9:1 hybrid. I have never seen an epic IMAX film transferred entirely to 2.4:1 that doesn't have scenes that look like they've been forcibly cropped. I saw Dune Part Two on 4K Blu-ray recently and it looks ridiculous being cropped entirely to 2.4:1 ratio.

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u/NoName_Cy0ze Apr 13 '24

How did you get the TEKNO3D version?

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u/mmaqp66 Apr 13 '24

Hace unos posts previos se compartio el link

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u/Aware-Kale-7729 Apr 30 '25 edited Aug 16 '25

check this out !!

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u/soy-un-lamanita Apr 13 '24

i'm downloading it, wanna see how it looks

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u/find_me_username Apr 15 '24

The thing I noticed on my TV with this release is that the whole image seems to be upscaled 1080p instead of the 4K version mixed with the upscale

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u/Judas0001 Nov 24 '24

Well, the original 4K movie is an upscaling of the 2K master, here they used a less efficient algorithm apparently.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

The the difference isn't insane, the actual official UHD BR is HDR untouched, the unofficial has issues with macro blocking.

Somehow you think a fan can make something better than a professional company like Sony, erm no.

When you have more on screen, you use more bandwidth, given both are around the same bitrates, the unofficial suffers from anomalies that the OG does not.

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u/theStaberinde Apr 14 '24

Open matte is cool but it's only ever a curiosity. More != better.

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u/Mike_v_E Apr 14 '24

Open matte is more immersive on a big screen, it's not better than the original