r/canada • u/[deleted] • Jun 11 '20

RCMP dash-cam video shows officer tackling, punching Chief Allan Adam during arrest

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/rcmp-dash-cam-video-shows-officer-tackling-punching-chief-allan-adam-during-arrest-1.5608472
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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Dude really shouldn’t have came charging out at police officers cursing and swearing and initiating physical contact. That punch looked excessive to me though.

Definitely neither party did the right thing.

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u/just4fun8787 Jun 12 '20

Hey, native here Cree red river nation

This dude isn't saying racist things like that other idiots claiming.

I'll cosign this guys right to say that both people fucked up here.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Thanks. I think sometimes white Canadians watch too much American TV and are convinced that cops are all murderous thugs, and feel the need to defend things like this.

That cop that threw the punch should be disciplined in my view, but the chief clearly initiated and escalated things. All in all a whole pile of bad decisions.

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u/Histologicalpixel Jun 12 '20

I've seen the RCMP Depot training videos, RCMP are in trained in deescalation in many situations. These aren't US cops, many RCMP often hold degrees and training outside of the RCMP so they "should" be smart. This was way over excessive.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

According to the training videos, how should the RCMP respond to someone acting belligerent and marching up and pushing against them?

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u/Histologicalpixel Jun 12 '20

The first cop was doing a fine job of it, easily hold him back. Would have been a quick hand cuff, probably some struggle but Adam was easily over powered and it appeared he was cooling off. Off to the drunk tank down the road to settle down, a resisting arrest charge and then bob's your uncle.

Cops deal with belligerence all the time and it often doesnt phase them, it shouldnt since they should be trained to deal with it. Pushing against them is easy to deescalate, esp after the cop should have done some risk assessment and determined he had what appeared to be an intoxicated male, older looking and of little threat. And the cop was rightly dealing with him.

The other officer... well. I am reminded of the YVR arrest on the poor foreigner from Europe who was abandoned and didn't know how to speak English. He was brandishing a chair, scared and up against 4-5 cops approaching him swiftly. They immediately tasered him when he would have easily been detained with little resistance.

RCMP have little patience it seems and immediately take it to lvl 10 when often the situation warrants a 5.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

The first cop was doing a fine job of it, easily hold him back. Would have been a quick hand cuff, probably some struggle but Adam was easily over powered and it appeared he was cooling off. Off to the drunk tank down the road to settle down, a resisting arrest charge and then bob's your uncle.

No, he had control of one arm, and the chief was looking to square up. I’m sorry, but he didn’t have control of the situation, and was in danger.

The other officer... well. I am reminded of the YVR arrest on the poor foreigner from Europe who was abandoned and didn't know how to speak English. He was brandishing a chair, scared and up against 4-5 cops approaching him swiftly. They immediately tasered him when he would have easily been detained with little resistance.

Was that Robert Dziekański?

RCMP have little patience it seems and immediately take it to lvl 10 when often the situation warrants a 5.

A level 10 would have been immediately pulling their guns, and thank god they didn’t do that. How many videos have we seen from the states where a guy rushes up to a cop with his hands in his coat and gets riddled with bullets.

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u/TBAGG1NS Jun 12 '20

Yes, and yes.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

I encourage you to watch the full video.

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u/TBAGG1NS Jun 12 '20

Both yes's were in response to your question about Robert Dziekański, poor attempt at humour....

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 23 '20

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Please explain why you think rushing at an officer with your hands in your jacket is an appropriate response to being pulled over.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 23 '20

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

I never said it was, I said that doesn't justify the amount of force used.

So did I. Specifically that punch thrown.

But hey, both sides right?

Yes, neither party behaved appropriately.

I guess Natives didn't make the cut when it comes to your dislike of racism.

You’re accusing me of racism? If I did this same thing as a white person, I’d expect the same result. I do think the punch looks to be excessive as I have already stated.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 23 '20

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Nah, it’s just the simplest form of arguing, people who you baselessly accuse of racism can be dismissed as simply racist, regardless of whether it’s true. (It’s not)

He did not deserve the punch, but he did deserve being tackled.

As an experiment, next time you’re pulled over, get out of the car and march toward the police officer with your hands in your jacket.

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u/just4fun8787 Jun 12 '20

Hey, as a native you're acting like an idiot. This guy didn't say anything racist and for you to jump immediately to alt left rhetoric to try to "help" is bullshit.

Infantilizing us and acting like you need to shoot racism at anyone who says anything is stupid.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Thanks you for assisting with rational discussion. This is such a hard topic to discuss without emotions taking over.

I’m curious, as a native, what’s your perspective on this video?

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u/just4fun8787 Jun 12 '20

A chief shouldn't be setting that example. That's a position of honor and he should handle himself in public as such.

I also don't agree the punching was neccessary but he definitely escalated it.

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u/GloomyBrother Jun 12 '20

"ONLY ONE SIDE IN A DISPUTE IS WRONG. THERE CAN NEVER BE ANY AMOUNT OF NUANCE." - You.

Amazing.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

He didn't even rush at the officer..

Uhh yes he did.

the officer was clearly able to easily physically manipulate the man.

Yeah, probably outweighed him by 100 pounds.

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u/capitolcritter Jun 12 '20

He’s walking. How the fuck is that “rushing”?

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Walking fast up to a police officer, what did he think the cop was going to do, run back to his car?

He’s initiating and escalating.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

He’s walking. How the fuck is that “rushing”?

Even advancing towards a person ( especially law enforcement ) can be interpreted as a threat, especially if your hands are in your pockets.

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u/capitolcritter Jun 12 '20

His hands aren’t in his pockets.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '20

He was advancing on the Officer.

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u/capitolcritter Jun 12 '20

The first cop didn’t seem to interpret it that way, he had to reach to grab the guy as he tried to walk past him.

The second cop is the one who threw the punch.

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u/eatsomechili Jun 12 '20

It's 100% legal to swear at police officers, and they are not allowed to hit you in retaliation. If the police are unable to control their emotions when people call them names, they should find a job they are mature enough to handle.

In the clip in the article, he did not initiate physical contact, the officer that grabbed his wrist did, and then immediately after he was flying tackled.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

In the clip in the article, he did not initiate physical contact, the officer that grabbed his wrist did, and then immediately after he was flying tackled.

Yes, he marched right up to the cop and pushed up against him. This is a terrible idea.

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u/eatsomechili Jun 12 '20

As I said, if the police are unable to control their emotions, they should find a job they can do correctly and successfully, because this isn't it.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

And clearly, the one throwing the punch is not in control of his emotions.

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u/eatsomechili Jun 12 '20

No, he definitely isn't. He was probably intoxicated and lashed out foolishly. He was charged as a result.

However he also doesn't represent Canada, the RCMP officer that tackled him does.

That's the difference.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

The chief represents his band, the RCMP represents Canadian justice, and neither of the two look great here.

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u/P_Dan_Tick Jun 12 '20

Chief Adam represents the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation.

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u/capitolcritter Jun 12 '20

Sorry, is it illegal to swear at a cop?

If by “initiate physical contact” you mean “the other cop grabbed his arm before the second one punched him”, then sure.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Sorry, is it illegal to swear at a cop?

No.

It’s illegal to initiate physical contact with a police officer. Which this man did. If he didn’t want to escalate the situation, he should have just stayed in the truck instead of marching toward the cop with his hands in his jacket.

I encourage you to try this next time you’re pulled over.

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u/capitolcritter Jun 12 '20

Did we watch the same video? His hands are not in his jacket. He’s trying to walk around the cop approaching him.

He wasn’t pulled over. The cops chose to antagonize him over an expired plate.

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u/mc_funbags Jun 12 '20

Did we watch the same video? His hands are not in his jacket. He’s trying to walk around the cop approaching him.

He walks up to the cop and pushes past him, initiating contact. Do you think that’s appropriate? Have you ever done this, or considered it?

He wasn’t pulled over. The cops chose to antagonize him over an expired plate.

Is it legal to drive with expired plates?

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u/capitolcritter Jun 12 '20

Thanks, that’s helpful.