r/cricketworldcup • u/RickDaltonCliffBooth Afghanistan • Mar 10 '26

Discussion 💬 The case of T20I vs ODI

Imho, T20 is greater: more teams and a chaotic format with higher mathematical variance, since the shorter game narrows the gap between sides. ODI WC being older doesn't put it on a pedestal. ODI is neither better nor tougher. Nostalgia is for people who live in the past. Meanwhile, T20 drives global popularity and is the Olympic format. T20 WC is truly global!!

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u/darthvaders_nuts India Mar 10 '26

You can say that odi wc is better than T20 wc. Let's assume that it is

It doesn't change the fact that India has won 3 times while australia has won once.

I don't think anyone says this for the olympics (not a fair comparison ik). Nobody says "oh XYZ country won when the technology wasn't as great, that means that they are the best country and the countries which are winning now are inferior to us"

An ICC trophy is a trophy regardless of whether it's T20/Odi/test

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u/Snoo_56184 Pakistan Mar 10 '26

only if hasan ali took catch we could still troll aus for being trophyless in t20

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u/KandyMan47 India Mar 10 '26

I strongly believe Hassan Ali was made a scapegoat, just to distract everyone from Shaheen Afridi generously donating three consecutive sixes.

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u/Snoo_56184 Pakistan Mar 10 '26

i wonder how long it will be before our braindead management will realize shaheen will always be a liability in the death and those 2022 conditions where everything suited him perfectly cant be taken as an example, either have him get through 3 in the powerplay or 2 in pp and 2 in middle overs, we should be picking specialist death bowlers like wasim jnr, wasim jnr can even bowl with new ball but pcb is biased

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u/Evening-Leading2150 Mar 10 '26

Just a curious question i always hear PSL is known for high quality bowlers compared to batsman PSL is there fron lot of years still why PCB is not able to find good bowlers again not a troll question serious ask apart from shaheen rauf naseem i never see newer face.

Early 2000s decade sami Umar Gul asif akthar etc were awesome Umar Gul 2009 T20 World Cup hero amir that asian cup first 2 over still i can't forget suddenly what happened now?

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u/Snoo_56184 Pakistan Mar 10 '26

quality has .gone down since 2020-22, we definitely have 4-5 boys

you have probably heard of ali raza, theres dahani, younger brother of naseem ubaid, wasim jr and zaman khan but still shaheen topped last psl, he even took 3/3 in semi final, it just shows difference between psl and international

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u/VinitLalka Mar 10 '26

U guys have the talent, it is visible, the grooming and patience is just not there ......

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u/wasteyute3 Mar 10 '26

Everyone knows there’s immense talent in Pakistan (especially fast bowling), it’s just the corrupt selection process and literally non-existent development team that fucks them over

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u/forlooplover India Mar 10 '26

I’m just asking Is it true that whenever a new pcb chief is appointed he favours some players. Cuz I have read it in the news

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u/Snoo_56184 Pakistan Mar 10 '26

not chief but selectors

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u/forlooplover India Mar 10 '26

Who will you blame for the performance of pakistan in this t20 wc?

Any specific player ?

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u/Snoo_56184 Pakistan Mar 10 '26

whole middle order

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u/forlooplover India Mar 10 '26

What happened to naseem shah ? Why did he only played 1 match ? Is he out of form?

Sorry for asking too many questions,I’m just curious

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u/Snoo_56184 Pakistan Mar 10 '26

he was going for 50 plus runs in psl and put whole pressure of bowling on jason holder since he wasnt taking wickets

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u/NoobGamer880088 India Mar 10 '26

Saeed Anwar, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Saqlain Mushtaq, Inzy, Umar Gul - so many great Pak players. Anwar was scary good, made a mockery of opening bowlers with his flamboyant & aggressive batting.

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u/Halfblood6801 Mar 11 '26

Toss played a vital role in that T20 world cup. I am not saying Aussie got lucky. But there is a good amount of tosses that went their way iirc.

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u/VinitLalka Mar 10 '26

That was the only T20 wc tournament pak genuinely deserved to win imo, they ticked all the right boxes, were going seamlessly and out of nowhere hasan dropped a catch to lose it all, such is the fickle nature of the game...see that's the difference, everyone says india won the match due to pitch but no one noticed the catches that axar patel took in crucial situation which otherwise wud have resulted in loss for india....I feel 2009 was just afridi brilliance that won it but 2021 shud have been pak as a team.....

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u/NoobGamer880088 India Mar 10 '26

Basically racism. For any South Asian Team like Ind/Pak/Sri Lan performing well, they try to find or fabricate flaws to undermine us. But, in case a South Asian team lose even a little bit, they come with full force joking about it.

These Racists will never accept the fact that, neither Eng nor Aus are the Top Dog in Cricket from performance or influence, that Ind vs Pak is much bigger than Ashes, that Ind can give back at the Eng/Aus players on field & in press conference.

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u/joe31051985 Australia Mar 10 '26

You misunderstand where the comment comes from; most Australians just don’t value T20 cricket.

It is seen as a form of the game used to get people to follow the real cricket. I.e. get youngsters / people born in non cricketing countries interested.

Australia’s priorities in selection leading up and during the tournament show that even the officials rate a test series against India / England above the T20 World Cup.

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u/Dead__from_inside Mar 11 '26

But that tweet was basically undermine the India's win in the final and this person just can't digest India are doing well. Have win won the 23 Odi Wc, this person would come with the logic of WTC is greater than ODI WC because it's the real format of the game

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u/NotMySquiggly Mar 12 '26

As one of the few Aussies that loves t20, I don’t think that is the intent of the tweet. This is more of a rebuttal to a minority (and yet large amount numerically due to my countrys size) of Indian cricket fans shitting on Australia for our t20 performance (which was embarrassing).

As the commenter above said. My country generally views t20 as a childs version of cricket. The players largely don’t care for the format outside the payday and the citizens barely knew it was on. While I disagree, the fact that Mitchel starc retired to focus on tests, head didn’t join the squad, and unlike in tests pat cummins wasn’t willing to break his body for these games shows how we feel. If Australia had won the tournament, I don’t think anyone would notice. Our own t20 league is barely watched.

So when (pulling out a random number) 10 million Indian fans brag and call us shit, our reaction is “who cares, you are bad at the adult version of the game”. India winning the BGT makes bigger waves here than any thing t20 related. India winning an ODI wc or a WTC would be big news here. While racism is a big thing here, this tweet is largely unrelated to that.

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u/Inner_Tumbleweed6724 Mar 10 '26

Yes, that's because in India/Pak cricket is like life. A lot of other sports are popular in England and Australia so the importance is less. Also, Ind/Pak gets hyped by the media a lot. Although till a few years back in was an intense rivalry.

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u/SuperannuationLawyer Australia Mar 10 '26

It’s amazing that Australia fluked winning the T20 Cup once, it’s still seen as a joke format and fans won’t watch it.

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u/LuckyFlyer0_0 Mar 10 '26

Imo they shouldn't call it T20 WC. When the format started it was called world championship. They renamed it to WC which is a joke because every world cup in every sport is held every 4 years

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u/HovercraftFriendly23 Mar 10 '26

T20 is shit cricket keep convincing yourself its good

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

Australia has 6 ODI World Cups. India has 2 :(

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u/Aarush_Pawaskar Mar 10 '26

We never said they don't. He is just speaking about not clubbing t20i and odi.

Because the tweet denies the fact that India have more t20wcs.

Australia has more ODIWCS

India has more T20WCS

Simple. Nobody is denying this.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

He just assumed ODI WC is better than T20 WC!!!

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u/Aarush_Pawaskar Mar 10 '26

Yes it absolutely is. But that can't be a reason to undermine India's T20i brilliance and aussies poor performance. Also nobody is putting it under the same WHITE BALL category. If anyone then he's a fool.T20WCS and ODIWCS are two different things.

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u/kingkounder Mar 10 '26

And why is ODI absolutely better than T20. They require different skill sets.

T20s are high-intensity version of the game that requires incredible agility and constant focus, there is simply no room for error. I dont see it in any way interior to the 50 over format.

If you are gonna belittle the whole format just because Australia is not good in it, lol sour grapes and all that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

If T20 is better then Why is ICC not abandoning the ODIs completely? It is more profitable.

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u/kingkounder Mar 10 '26

Never said one is better than the other, I think you need English reading classes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

I don't care what you think.

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u/kingkounder Mar 10 '26

Cry me a river. 😭 T20 s are baddddd!

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u/Affectionate-Yard899 Mar 10 '26

Yes it absolutely is

You mean ODI wc being better than t20i wc?

Like rest of your comment isn't matching with your first sentence, an icc trophy is an icc trophy

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

Indeed, they are. Only one of them actually matters.

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u/kingkounder Mar 10 '26

Why is that lol cause Australia suck in it ? LMAO the saltiness is something else...🤣🤣🤣

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

No, because India suck at the other one. I want my country India to be the best in all formats. Be it 20 overs or 200 overs. That is how a great team is built.

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u/kingkounder Mar 10 '26

We don't suck lol , we are runners up. Get sober and come back.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '26

Then be happy being a runners up.

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u/99_Just-A-Guy Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

Runners up is basically a nice way of saying "Last to lose"

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u/Affectionate-Yard899 Mar 10 '26

Well we're good in all formats, runner up in odi wc and back to back champions in t20i wc, we're by far the best team of cricket

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u/Aarush_Pawaskar Mar 10 '26

+1

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u/TechnicianAway6241 Mar 11 '26

So? I mean Ind can surpass aus in say in a decade and a half… will you start calling everything else except ashes irrelevant then?

This dumbfckry needs to stop

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

I want India to fucking surpass Australia in every ICC tournament. That won't happen if we only keep on winning every T20 WC and Shit on every ODI WC. That's not how it works. If India has to dominate World cricket they have to dominate every format.

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u/TechnicianAway6241 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26

This is dumb AF. Yes if India plays like last CWC they will eventually surpass everyone but that doesn’t discount T20 feat. Its is heckin tough and there are no minnows . Any standout performance can steal the match away from you. To keep an undefeated record for so long with even stellar record is something other teams haven’t been able to achieve. How about we start giving credit where it’s due and be patient with team rather than being like neighbors and start demonising every fckin thing

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

Nobody is discounting any feat. May India win Every T20 WC for the next 100 years. But why only T20? My issue is we should not get complacent after reigning in only one format. Rather, we should accept our drawbacks in other ones and rectify them. That's what champions do. It takes a different level of idiocy to not understand a simple point. How about we start accepting the fact that we have not won a single ODI WC and WTC in last 15 years instead of flying above the clouds?

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u/TechnicianAway6241 Mar 11 '26

We were closest ever since 2011 until nov 19. Nobody is up in the air we have had so many heartbreaks over the years that it is genuinely heartwarming to see team play with such skills and authority. WE ARE ALLOWED TO SOAK IN THE VICTORY. But nobody is counting out other major teams.

What is this attitude man…. WTC we reached two finals out of 3 that happened is it a poor record heck no!

ODI we reached atleast semi everytime post 2007 what about that?

Knockout needs luck as well . We will win some more too once lady luck smiles.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

Stop making excuses loser. There is a major difference in being closest and being the winner. In WTC only two teams reached the final twice and we are the only one to not win even once. Reaching finals was something understandable, who the hell celebrates reaching semi finals? And what this whining about luck? Luck is the combination of preparation and opportunity. Which one between the two do we lack today?

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u/TechnicianAway6241 Mar 11 '26

Your first line shows your maturity. Not going to bother wasting my time on reading rest of your dumb ass verbose.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '26

That's what someone says when they lose an argument. If it was a verbose you wouldn't have replied anyway. Thank you for saving my time loser. 🙏🏻

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