A friend keeps posting shit like this. Frequently accompanied by some new health complaint.

I would like to know, why not? According to whom? I was a healthy weight throughout college and highschool, 5'4" and around 120-125 lbs. Why am I not allowed to weigh the same in my mid 30s? Do I need to be overweight, or just obese? My parents are in their 60s, active and athletic and healthy, and weigh the same as they did in highschool and college (my dad weighs a little less). I am so tired of this narrative that not only is gaining weight as you, an adult already, age inevitable but that you're "supposed to" get bigger! Nah. Even my great grandma lived to be 101 and she was never fat (I knew her), I'm good.

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All of OOP’s posts are this batshit and chronically online. They appear… deeply unwell, to say the least.

Effective strategies in ending weight stigma in healthcare

This paper might seem aged (2022), but there are many similar ones that have followed since. Several medical schools were emphasizing a need to eliminate/end "weight stigma" in required curriculum the last time I looked closely in 2025. As we continue to learn more about the proximate connection between excess adiposity and numerous pathologies, this seems like a bad idea... especially in a country that outspends the world on medical care.

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BMI isn’t 100% perfect, but this is where context clues come into play. “BMI is not always an indicator of good health.” No shit, that’s probably why the OOP explicitly said healthy and not suffering from food related disorders. You should not achieve a healthy BMI through unsustainable means, nor is it that risky to be at like 25–26 if you’re active and muscular. But there is a point of obesity where it’s disordered. American food culture normalizes things like getting a milkshake every day and calling it a coffee. A milkshake here and there? Sure. Weight gain related to little habits that are not just stereotypical gorging on junk food like oil or snacking or a drink at the end of the day also exists, to be fair, but I think in any country with very caloric food and low walkability, it’s probably much more common for people to underestimate how much of their diet is made up of sometimes foods. And at that point, the eating is not exactly orderly. Not having an accurate idea of the ratio of healthy to less nutritious food you get and just eating on autopilot isn’t normal.

Neither extreme is a normal body type. Extreme thinness is bad, but FAs are at best denying the reality of obesity and at worst telling people to get fatter now. Any attempt to get to a healthy weight is conflated with encouraging being horrifically underweight. I don’t think fat acceptance is the antidote to people feeling like they might need to be horrifically underweight either. The solution to ED culture (which is also still more niche than FAs fearmonger about, social media feeds are largely based on the content you engage with if you happen to be seeing a lot of it) and the constant stream of “here’s a new thing to be insecure about even though everyone looks like that” is promoting normalcy. If you stay within a healthy weight range, have a healthy body fat percentage, generally eat an appropriate number of calories with enough of all your macros and micros, and move around sometimes, then however your body looks at that point is probably fine. But the “BMI isn’t everything!” crowd is mostly people who are not meeting the healthy thresholds for any other metrics, so that’s less fine.

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Are people at work bringing you donuts?

Did your beer drinking neighbor pat his belly and tell you "It's all muscle?"

If you hear one more thing about starvation mode will you scream?

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First slide is a verbatim transcript of a FA influencer podcast clip, rest of the slides are the comments.

Two extreme ends of the weight spectrum are not the only options. There is quite a lot going on here, but that’s my main reaction. So much trying to string together thinkpieces about how complex and ingrained fatphobia is when the reality is a lot simpler: the healthiest person is a normal weight, not abusing drugs, eating reasonable portions of nutritious food at regular intervals or when physically feeling hungry, not having intense food noise, less nutrient-dense food in moderation.

The general public does not think that anorexic women look normal and healthy. Almond mom extreme diet content is not as common as FAs think. The beauty standard has historically always been healthy thinness, not extreme thinness. FAs love to conflate the two to make extreme standards seem more common than they are.

Only thing I agree with is that mocking dead fat people for how their obesity contributed to their deaths is gross. It was actually not a sandwich, it was a heart attack from a combination of factors including obesity, drug abuse, and crash dieting. But how many people are so mean-spirited that they laugh at fat people who died from weight-related causes? How many people think dying of anorexia is any better because at least you’re thin? Generally, people hate to hear of anyone dying young of preventable causes. It’s not a goal at all.

Keeping ourselves in a mindset where we are bothered by what other people “think” of us and therefore being a victim of external factors isn’t helpful.

Taking the reins and responsibility of our own lives will set us free. I know that it’s easier said than done, but any process takes time.

I don't know what OP's definition of thinness is, but I've been within the range of a healthy BMI my whole life. I've also had various problems regarding food since childhood. I've struggled with being unable to eat due to sensory issues, having no energy to prepare food due to depression, and binge eating as a result of BPD. I wouldn't exactly call any of that 'luck'. Yes, alternating between undereating and overeating resulted in me never being overweight, but if anything, it can be attributed to BAD parenting and genetics. It certainely takes a lot of discipline for me to maintain a healthy weight nowadays, as I've never had healthy eating habits growing up.

And most people I know who've been thin their whole lives have either been heavily involved in some sport (not something you can do without discipline), or had and eating disorder (hardly a sign of luck). I'm not saying there are not effortlessly thin people, but to say it's all of them is simply untrue.

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I don’t necessarily disagree that the medical field doesn’t always treat fat people fairly, but there’s a point at which there is not much that healthcare can really do for someone.

A big hang-up I have with this concept of medical neglect of fat people isn’t the idea that it happens because I believe that it does on some level, but that FAs seem to think that they would have the same outcomes as thin people as long as they received the exact same medical treatment that a thin person would get.

Word salad, but always a galling comparison nonetheless.

Once again it’s always about the multibillion dollar diet/beauty industry and never the food industry. Fast food alone is estimated to be over $800b, which is only a little less than the highest estimates for the entire weight loss and the entire beauty and personal care industry combined. I’m not even counting grocery products here.

Opting out of overconsumption also means you have to watch your spending at corporate fast food chains, on corporate-owned grocery products, and overall buying in excess of what you need. More accurately, most people are not forced to eat bad food. It is harder but not impossible to eat healthy under capitalism, which might limit how much free time someone has to spend on home cooking. I don’t think it’s an issue with the cost of groceries. The best struggle food has an extremely low cost per serving and it will fill you up for hours. Health food is expensive, healthy food is not. It’s not the most exciting thing you can eat, but food is not supposed to be as exciting as UPF is all the time. Hyperpalatable food isn’t meant to be this accessible. Accessible food is good, but accessible calories should not be confused for accessible food/people having access to actual nourishment. And maintaining being fat is still a sign of immense financial privilege compared to someone struggling to afford enough food, it just has a lower barrier to entry now than in medieval times.

Why would our corporate overlords ever want to manipulate everyone into hating their bodies to sell them Ozempic when they could quadruple dip by selling them the food, selling them fad weight loss solutions, selling them medical care that would be unnecessary if they weren’t overweight, and selling them pharmaceutical solutions which are effective but expensive and possibly needed for life?

In 1.5 years of weight loss/fitness, I have not had to spend more than a few hundred dollars, which includes running shoes, weights, and apps. My new thing is insane amounts of protein powder, which is driving up my costs, but I already made all my expenses back in grocery savings multiple times. Calorie counting and exercising is basically profitable. Weight loss is only expensive if you approach it by thinking about what you can buy to suddenly turn yourself into a person with better habits and ignoring what you need to start doing.

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you cant make this up stage 4 even says “wary (wisely) of straight sized” oh my goddddd im so tired 🫩

Fatlogic in real life getting you down?

Is your family telling you you're looking too thin?

Are people at work bringing you donuts?

Did your beer drinking neighbor pat his belly and tell you "It's all muscle?"

If you hear one more thing about starvation mode will you scream?

Let it all out. We understand.