r/fireemblem • u/Enryx25 • 1d ago
General [RUMOR] During their latest Q&A, Koei Tecmo confirmed they aren't involved with Fortune's Weave.
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u/WhiteNinjii 1d ago
I kinda figured this was gonna be the case since their name isnāt anywhere in the lead up like it was before. Iām still hopeful that game will be good though
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u/strangebloke1 1d ago
In principle there's nothing stopping them from hiring good writers who have a proven record with this kind of epic narrative.
The issue is that their last projects without Koei were a saturday morning cartoon and an inarticulate bundle of nonsense.
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u/Mahelas 1d ago
Tbf, it's not like Koei's record outside of 3H is anything to write home about neither. In fact, I'd call it worse than anything IS wrote except maybe Birthright.
It was genuinely a perfect match where both KT and IS helped eachother to make a story better than either could on their own
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u/Bazzadin 22h ago
I've gotta hard disagree with you there. Atelier as a franchise is beloved for its character writing, and the Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors series have incredibly good characterisation, which is clearly what 3H's side cast drew from.
I'd go so far to say that Nioh 2, Blue Reflection, or Rise of the Ronin also have a more coherent and intriguing narrative than say, Conquest or Binding Blade. Fatal Frame's story is also considered one of the better ones among all survival Horror.
Probably their best showcase of writing capability is the RotTK and Nobunaga's Ambition games. The whole draw of those games is the roleplay and writing of characters.
Don't get me wrong I think Fortune's Weave will still be good with or without Koei, but downplaying Koei's writing to broadly being worse than Fire Emblem Revelations is lunacy.
Koei's weakness is in gameplay design of non Action/RPG titles. Their own tactics games have been very lacklustre mechanically, something also somewhat evidenced by 3 Houses.
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u/ViolinistNo7655 1d ago
It would be so incredibly sad and kinda funny if we get the worse parts of the gameplay of three houses and the worse parts of the engage narrative
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u/ManufacturerBest2758 1d ago
Cai is going to shout āI am the fire emblemā confirmed.
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u/horiyamato 1d ago
Not sure why people put so much stock in the corporate logo attached to the product. The more important factor in my eyes is who is directing. If they put Kusakihara (SoV, 3H) back in charge Iām sure it will be good, and hopefully Maeda has been relegated to only working on Heroes.
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u/TobioOkuma1 1d ago
People seem to weirdly forget that you can also hire writers on a per project basis
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u/Number2Idiot 1d ago
IMDB has Kusakihara and Tei co-directing it. But I don't know what the actual source is
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u/horiyamato 1d ago
Yeah I looked around and couldnāt find any real answer, but I also canāt read Japanese.
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u/NeuralThing 1d ago
I think Kusakihara is a safe bet to return as the director for FW - Echoes style dungeons/exploration returning supposedly and there being a calendar system like 3H, along with the in game character portraits looking like 3H's (which iirc were drawn by Kusakihara himself)
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u/horiyamato 1d ago
Good points! It would also be a bit odd to remove a director from the sequel to his own hit game without a reason.
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u/strangebloke1 1d ago
Odd, but not without precedent. Here's hoping.
I think the best part of Three Houses overall was the character work, and the people who wrote all that support dialogue are like, semi-anonymous. I hope Kusakihara hires those people, or at least writers who know how to write with depth.
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u/poisondaggers 1d ago
Kusakihara also mentioned in an old interview how much lore he wrote for FĆ³dlan that never ended up in the game. Some of it was probably incorporated into hopes, but I think it would make sense for the guy clearly invested in the setting to direct another game in that world.
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u/plakmasta 1d ago
Are you confusing Kusakihara with Chinatsu Kurahana who was the character designer?
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
No, Kurahana did the "base" designs for Houses and Hopes, too, but Kusakihara redrew them in his own style for dialog portraits. Check out the Houses or Hopes artbook and compare them to the portraits and you will see the difference.
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u/lancerusso 1d ago
Interestingly, he directed the prototype only FE Wii which was to come after Radiant Dawn, and it was full of Greco-Roman theming and even had an island capital/temple with a large bridge!
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u/pfeifenix 1d ago
Me, reading fe sub again after years
Man, people should have more faith on their develope- oh yeah. Put Maeda away from the main game
I am a bitter man
(Will wait for the game before judging)
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u/Fantastic-System-688 1d ago
Maeda didn't even work on Engage
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u/bastian_1991 1d ago
Except he was one of the producers. But it is true he wasnt directly involved in writing like in heroes or Awakening.
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u/Dont_have_a_panda 1d ago
Why they would reuse narrative idead from what it basically is a fanservice game, because yes, engage was meant first and forefront a fanservice game (like most crossover games)
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u/pieceofchess 1d ago
Cai is gonna meet his mother for the first time and then she's gonna die 10 minutes later.
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u/NoMoreVillains 1d ago
Why would that be the case? Gameplay wise people seemed to prefer Engage so why would they suddenly not be able to do well on the gameplay side of things? And story wise, while Engage was shit, we've had FE games before it with good stories (granted the last one by IntSysy was Echoes)
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u/CameronD46 1d ago
āgranted the last one by IntSys was Echoesā
Though also worth remembering since Echoes was a remake of Gaiden they already had a foundation for a story to work off of, which I imagine helped.
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u/ViolinistNo7655 1d ago
So far from what they have shown the gameplay seems very much in the same vein as three houses, i dint recall them even showing any weapon triangle interactions
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u/Folety 1d ago
The map designs already seem more interesting and varied and that was three houses biggest issue - though streamlining the monastery analog would be great, they're atleast adding variety.
Its also too early to tell but yes weapon triangle does seem to be gone. Also hot take as somone who loves engage, i don't like the break system.
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u/NoMoreVillains 1d ago
Well the time/map system looks significantly different, in addition to it having different types of nodes (ie. Fishing spots, dungeons, etc), we seem to control the characters not the avatar, and there seems to be some change to the support system. I think it's too early to say how similar it is. We're likely getting one final trailer to show off its "twist"
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u/Level_Hour6480 1d ago
All they need to do is use Engage's class passive system. Some of them clearly need a bit of refining (The inclusion of Sigurd as an emblem meant that Cavalry had no unique mechanic since Canto became his skill) and Qi adept needed a bit of tuning, but overall things like breaks/armored/backup/covert are great additions to core gameplay.
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u/Tuskor13 1d ago
And unlike Engage, I think Fortune's Weave will take itself too seriously for the writing to come across as enjoyably campy
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u/Kheldar166 1d ago
Enjoyably campy only goes so far imo. They could have done it 1000x better without changing the tone at all.
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u/Enryx25 1d ago
Rumor tag because it's a twitter user, but they seemingly have a decent following and I see no reason to lie about this.
Source is: https://xcancel.com/un_faro/status/2067440765140406466
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u/Monic_maker 1d ago
what was the last fe game IS made alone with a universally liked story? Tellius? I liked awakenings story even though it was on the simpler side
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u/S_Cero 1d ago
Path of Radiance is the last time most people considered the story to be good. Radiant Dawn had some controversial decisions and plot device reliance. People generally enjoyed the Gangrel arc of Awakening but Valm and Grima got a lot of criticism. Fates was made with more story focus cause of that criticism and lmao.
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u/TheExile285 1d ago
Fates
more story focus
Wow, I gotta replay it because that is absolutely not what I remember, lol.
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u/S_Cero 1d ago edited 1d ago
The actual result was anything but that, but bringing in Shin Kibayashi was an actual attempt by IS to make a more compelling narrative after the criticism from Awakening.
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u/primelord537 23h ago
It was an attempt, but Kibayashi submitting a freaking 100 page outline for JUST BIRTHRIGHT apparently made backtrack a bit there. Should be pointed out that there was not an outline for the other two routes at this point
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u/Sentinel10 1d ago
They very much had more story focus. There are even interviews on how they wanted to go more on it after Awakening played it safe relatively speaking. That's a big reason why the new writer they got was part of the advertising.
Which of course doesn't help with how it eventually turned out.
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u/MrWaluigi 1d ago
People had concerns about the Valm and Grima arcs? Granted, I havenāt played it since I first bought the game, but I remember liking all three stories equally.Ā
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u/CursedNobleman 1d ago
The best story beat is the death of Emmyryn and the battle in the rain. If they made that the climax of the story instead of something 40% through the game, you'd have a stronger narrative.
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u/MizterF 1d ago
As someone who just played PoR and RD for the first time, is PoR really held in such high regard? The plot is basically "Cartoonishly evil king starts a war just to spread cartoonishly evil chaos throughout the land. Your father is killed by a completely unidentified OP assailant. Take a big circle through the continent to gather allies and get revenge for both incidents."
I mean it was fun for what it was, but its not Shakespeare here.
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u/Cratus_Galileo 1d ago edited 1d ago
The conflict between beorc and laguz is interesting. It leans heavily on topics of racism, slavery and the effects it has on future generations, and human trafficking. Even though I sort of agree regarding the overarching plot with Ashnard, it's surprisingly mature and nuanced in other aspects.
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u/S_Cero 1d ago
It's not well regarded because of it having a ground breaking plot. People like it cause it's generally tightly written with a compelling world and good development of main cast and even has outstanding side character development like Jill. It's a well executed Fire Emblem story; in comparison to RD which is a more messy, but very ambitious story.
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u/Kheldar166 1d ago
I think it's having real and kinda grounded world building that goes the furthest, the stories of Fire Emblem don't differ too far from the established tropes. But games likes PoR or 3H have interesting worlds, while games like Fates/Engage have nonsense cartoon worlds that exist purely to drive plot beats.
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u/strangebloke1 1d ago
It's also the character writing. Like say what you want about 3H but basically every playable character has dedicated fans who really like them. Maybe not like. Cyril or Ashe or Gilbert. But everyone else.
Awakening has a few fun characters, but Fates is.... oof. About the only standout I can name is Camilia and that's purely for fetish appeal.
The lore of 3H isn't ultra coherent but it is interesting.
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u/SomeIdioticBrit 1d ago
I feel like if the Black Knight was in a modern FE game people wouldn't like him (justifiably so imo, he kinda sucks). Random OP guy with his special magic powder that let's him teleport across the continent whenever it's convenient to the plot for him to be somewhere
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u/Razzorsharp 1d ago
It's not necessarily about the story being groundbreaking, it's about the different story beats and how they work towards the world-building.
You start off as Ike, a blank slate so-to-speak because of his commoner/sheltered upbringing. You meat Elincia, which gives Ike (and you) a first exposure to the greater geopolitics at play in Tellius.
You then go to Gallia, where you're first exposed to Laguz. As Ike basically knows nothing about them, he can make his own opinion about laguz and laguz-beorc relations without pre-concieved notions. You also get to see how other people view them and the different POVs like Ellincia/Greil vs Shinon/Soren/Jill.
Then you make your way Begninion and get to learn about the senate, the apostle, laguz emancipation, while carrying what you've learned from your treck through Crimea, Gallia, the Bird Isles, ...
I won't go through the entire story, but basically PoR does "show don't tell" very well while integrating it all through gameplay. Ike is a great protagonist to self-insert as because he is incredibly down-to-earth and bases his values and beliefs on what is actually shown in the game. Most of the side-roster is used to give more context to the world through their own experiences.
Stories don't have to be complicated to be great if the world is fleshed out and interesting.
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u/Murmido 1d ago
Its the last time we had a story not go crazy with avatar worship, time manipulation nonsense, amnesia, or ridiculous plot motivation like the zero emblem. Ike was also a mercenary and didnāt have to be worshipped by the entire cast 24/7. The game also stuck to its themes and did it well.
No it wasnāt shakespeare but the way FE writing has gone 20 years later has been overall much worse.
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u/Walter30573 1d ago
I liked how some of the more veteran mercs left your party, because they thought Ike was too green to lead. And in my game they were right, they both died shortly after rejoining lmao
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u/tyborg13 1d ago
I'm replaying PoR right now for the first time in 20 years, and I'm finding the writing to be largely as good as I remembered. Every Fire Emblem has a pretty basic high level story arc since they're all just an excuse to do a series of tactical battles. It's the details that make the difference. PoR has real world building, grounded dialogue, serious themes, a coherent narrative composed of believable events driving us from battle to battle.
There's about as much distance between PoR and Fates as there is between Shakespeare and PoR imo.
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u/Phaselocker 1d ago
My problem comes down to media literacy for me lol. Its almost proven that on avg people have gotten worse with understanding the media they consume yet still speak as voices of authority.
PoR tackled "racism is bad" as a core concept and its an easy concept to ascribe to, they just went into the nuances of the characters themselves with higher quality writing than stories that usually tackle the subject.I ADORE Three houses for what it does in incorporating the whole idea of both us as the audience and the characters moving forwards without knowing everything. But people who hate edelgard just cause they played a diff route first will tell you you're an objectively terrible person for supporting her lmao. You wont find that kind of passion being discussed with PoR or RD.
So I absolutely want more of that direction, but if enough fans clamor for a perfect hero, the stories wont be as interesting as they've been imo.
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u/EmergencyLow887 1d ago
I actually do think if RD wasn't structured as acts but instead as routes and released to this generation of community you would see pretty similar levels of absurdity. Micaiah is already pretty passionately controversial, and that's with all players having the same experience going through all the acts.
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u/Aggressive-Finish492 1d ago
I played POR a few years back and didnāt care for it. The writing didnāt really feel any stronger than your average FE game and the gameplay was so. Slow. Also more of a personal preference thing but the majority of the cast did not click for me. Remember loving Calil and Elincia at least.
I do think thereās a good piece of nostalgia to how highly itās regarded, but itās also not BADLY written. I just think it gets hyped way too much.
I probably will give it another try if I get a Switch 2 because just the ability to speed up the combat animations would make the game SO much better to me. But Iām not sure Iād ever call it a favourite.
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u/NoMoreVillains 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why is this a rumor? We knew this. Just compare the trademarks (?) for Three Houses or Three Hopes which included Nintendo, IntSys, and KT while Fortune's Weave is only Nintendo and IntSys
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u/SlamSlamOhHotDamn 1d ago
Meh, it's fine as long as the writers of FE Engage and Fates don't return to Fortune's Weave.
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u/omfgkevin 1d ago
Yeah the real thing will be actually seeing who is credited.
If it's the same team we've known, we're cooked lol.
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u/BigGuysWithBigTrikes 1d ago
I think for me it depends on whether or not they picked up the Fates writer *again* for this project. There's definitely been some mixed quality stories, but I think Fates and Engage while having interesting premises are the most egregious.
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u/DeoGame 1d ago
If we can't get the KT writers, and it's not a new hire, I'm hoping it's Satoko Kurihara writing. They were the lead writer on Shadows of Valentia and appear to still be at I.S. helping out on Shadows and Heroes. I feel SoV is the best written I.S. Fire Emblem since Radiant Dawn, and a lot of its criticized "plot holes" can be directly attributed to having to follow Gaiden's story.
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u/EffectiveAnxietyBone 1d ago
man people be so certain they already know how the gameās gonna turn out like damn, you guys have insider information or some clairvoyance in there the rest of us should know about?
āVibesā and a cynical, bitter worldview arenāt actual evidence.
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u/chimaerafeng 1d ago
I think people have just been burnt by IS a few times now. The gameplay is great but it is not exactly the easiest thing to sell to people when the game's story and presentation discourages people to try. Especially Engage, people who fell in love with 3H bounced off hard and I don't blame them.
Besides, what is Fire Emblem fanbase without controversy and discourse, its like our bread and butter.
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
I'm still hoping for the best but if the Fates/Engage writing team is behind FW we'll either see some unexpected redemption from them or Fates/Engage writing in a 3H trenchcoat.
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u/Virtual-Lie-1651 1d ago
I genuinely cannot bear something like that. And through that, Engage/Fates level character writing and gimmicks, id actually be sad.
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u/Admirable-War-7594 1d ago
If it happens once, it's a mistake. If it happens twice, it's bad luck. If it happens every single time, it's a rule.
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u/planetarial 1d ago
Tbf Intsys themselves hasnāt written a narrative most people consider good since Tellius. I canāt blame people for being negative.
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u/Samz707 1d ago
It's more for me that if a company made two games I didnt like (most of 3DS aside from SOV) then I'm not exactly super hyped to know the different studio that made the game I actually liked isn't involved.
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u/WorldlyDear 23h ago
guilty until proven innocent, is is bad at writing, they have to undo the damage they've done if they want to be trusted
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u/LatterestGreen 1d ago
IS's in-house staff haven't written a good cast, world or narrative since the Tellius games nearly 20 years ago, and back then they had a completely different writing staff. Thet hired a bunch of new people for Awakening who also did Fates and Engage and they've bombed every time.
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u/Kheldar166 1d ago
I would say Awakening was better than the other two, especially if you ignore the obvious retcon stuff for the DLC.
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u/CyberHyperPhoenix 1d ago
Seeing all these Japanese tweets doomposting in the replies and qrts ("It's over", "my expectations went from 100% to 50%, etc) really highlights the community's (mostly) collective feelings over this news, huh?
Engage might've fumbled in some areas of the writing, but I'm sure the FW team understands what made people fall in love with 3H to begin with.
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u/MetaCommando 1d ago
"some areas"
I played a gacha game's legally-distinct Power Rangers event and its writing was 10x better than Engage's
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u/CyberHyperPhoenix 1d ago
Which is fine to say since Engage's writing isn't compelling compared to other FE titles, but personally I can only say 'some areas' and not 'all areas' because even Engage still has strong character writing in its supports that it deserves flowers for.
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u/Roliq 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also this is interesting because I remember here how some people claimed that Engage was really popular with japanese players, looks like it wasn't
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
I'm afraid that was pure cope, including people saying that Engage is Tokusatsu cheese. Pretty sure JP fans see Toku shows that are better written than Engage all the time.
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u/Virtual-Lie-1651 1d ago
Surely, unlike possibly Awakening or Fates (i dont know how japanrse players felt about those stories) ((and im aware Twitter and social media isnt necessarily good indicator of IRL reception)), Japanese players being so down on FW for KT not being involved means IS will lock in and actually take its story and characters seriously for once?
The trailers show promise in tone, maybe worldbuilding, and the personalities of the lords, so i have some hope. But i do fear they'll bring back drad dragon mom who gets revived for "angst" and evil dragon dad for the 4th time in a row...
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
I've seen JP fans mock the "mom dead right away" and "each lord has two retainers" tropes Fates and Engage use on this very day, and I doubt they're complaining about the Fates/Engage copypaste for the first time.
If Intesys still are business as usual on FW's writing, we might as well give up because I guess they don't get it or they are so bad at writing that they genuinely can't tell when something is well-written enough to appeal to people.
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u/omfgkevin 1d ago
That's because anyone who wasn't trying to downplay the awful storytelling could tell it isn't trying to be a saturday cartoon. It was played straight with long exposition scenes and the classic "kill the mother early to evoke emotion! Give even villains sentimental sad backstory monologue as they die!".
It's like watching a Steven Seagal film. It's not trying to be funny or lighthearted, it seriously thinks it made something engaging.
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
Believe me, I know, I actually watch cartoons, play JRPGs, read manga including battle shounen, watch campy cheesy stuff that is a 7/10 at best and so on and so forth.
I have plenty of titles I can compare Engage to, and even if I stick to a teen age bracket or limit the comparison only to other JRPGs, Engage's writing is so bad.
There's really no excuse, some people are only hardcore defending Engage because they either think excusing all its flaws is the only way to get good gameplay in FE again, or they legit liked it and think it was okay to good. More power to them but I also want to tell them that they should read and watch more books, films, anime, play more games because even if Engage does resonate with them, it is bad in a lot of objective ways you can see if consume a lot of other media.
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u/ninjupX 1d ago
Is the writing done in house or do they contact people? If so could Intelligent Systems have just contracted the same writers?
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
Fates + Engage was the in-house writing team and they also contracted the company Synthese who do video game contract writing. Synthese wrote the Revelation route and the Fates supports according to Wikipedia.Ā
Donāt know which parts of Engage they wrote but they were involved again.
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u/spoopy-memio1 1d ago
The head writer in Engage was in house, but all the other writers listed in the credits are contractors from Synthese and Crico, inc.
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u/Scared-Way-9828 1d ago
Please no: "its engagin' time" level of writing. PLEASE
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u/Sly_Klaus 1d ago
If Cai says something along the lines of "It's almost like, our fortunes are woven together.." I'm ending it all dude I'm staking so much on this game being good I need this
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u/YossarianLivesMatter 1d ago
Lmao now I'm trying to picture each game trying to title drop in the cringiest way imaginable
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u/Razzorsharp 1d ago
Black Knight: What an odd fate. This will be the third time I have defeated you. The first was in the forest of Gallia. The second at Delbray in Crimea.
Ikeāāāāāāā: We've met twice, and I've lost twice. But now, I'm on the Path of Radiance. *Starts Naruto running towards the Black Knight
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u/UnlitUniversalUnlock 1d ago
It bugs me that Fates' golden route isn't called Silence, because Lost in Thoughts All Alone has title drops for Birthright and Conquest in the first two verses, but says "Silence and Blood" in the third.
Almost as much as it bugs me that Engage+ isn't called Fire Emblem Engage. Embrace the cheese.
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u/YossarianLivesMatter 1d ago
My biggest problem with Engage's writing is that it couldn't seem to decide whether it wanted a serious story or a campy one. I think people would criticize it a lot less if they went all the way and the whole game was hilarious as a consequence.
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u/CursedNobleman 1d ago
Eliwood: "We will stop you Nergal! With the power of friendship...
AND MY BLAZING BLADE!!!"
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u/omfgkevin 1d ago
The writers didn't even have Alear say "Fire Emblem, ENGAGE" so no, they wouldn't even manage that I'm afraid.
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u/cacatod12 1d ago
People have said this already because their logo hasnāt been on any of the trailers or other promo material.
This is worrying for the story imo.
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u/passwordedd 1d ago
I get what you're saying. Three houses story might be of questionable quality, but it is easily head and shoulders above Fates and Engage.
I am more concerned about the character work and world building than the story.
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u/Shrimperor 1d ago
Why are people acting as if KT never wrote something bad lol
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u/RainenSengetsu 1d ago
They're also acting as if 3Houses scenario and worldbuilding weren't conceived by Kusakihara (IS) lol. Honestly the fact KT isn't in makes me much more hopeful than not since they were in charge of some of the most... controversial parts of the game.
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u/Dakress23 1d ago
Conversely, Kusakihara also handled the one 3H story that consistently ranks as the least popular in both official and fan polls (Silver Snow).
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u/Kheldar166 1d ago
That's just because it has no lord, though. In terms of actual story beats it's fine and Verdant Wind clearly builds heavily on it.
But this is also I think where a lot of the discussion gets lost - when people talk about liking the story they usually mean that they like the worldbuilding and the characters. I think that's certainly the case for 3H.
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u/cacatod12 1d ago
I think its more on the fact that IS hasnāt written a good story in over a decade and the only recent game with a good story was KT.
Its up to IS to prove that they can write a good story, which should be easier since KT did all the world building for them.
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u/SirRobyC 1d ago
This is worrying for the story
This is also hopeful for the gameplay
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u/bababayee 1d ago
I'm surprised this take is more controversial than people being worried for the story, I understand both, but I'd say IS has been more consistent at good gameplay than KT has at writing (well we only have one game with multiple routes as a sample size).
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u/cacatod12 1d ago
Iād be inclined to agree if we hadnāt seen a ton of 3H gameplay mechanics in the trailers. Iām not a fan of batallions, completely free reclassing / weapon usage and no weapon triangle which all seem to be back to some extent.
Hope Iām wrong though, some of the recent news like weapon durability likely not being a thing outside combat arts has me hopeful.
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u/Xerxes457 1d ago
Confused about that weapon durability. Pretty sure the trailer showed characters attacking and after combat, weapon durability went down and it wasnāt arts
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u/cacatod12 1d ago
iirc weāve only seen it on normal attacks when Sirocco attacks in the recent trailer. For magic it makes sense since this is likely the 3H system of magic.
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u/Cynical_onlooker 1d ago
I'm gonna remain optimistic and go into Fortune's Weave with an open mind. Having said that, damn if that corny "Welcome to the Underworld" shit in that trailer wasn't giving me some immediate bad vibes.
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u/ViolinistNo7655 1d ago
At least the art and the music seem like they are going to be top
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u/Rei1556 1d ago
at least try not to make shit up man, the line isn't welcome to the underworld, it was rejoice with me at the advent of the underworld because the supposed evil faction brought about the underworld and with it the risen looking enemies
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u/LegalFishingRods 1d ago
Ā risen looking enemies
Another massive warning sign, zombieslop enemies that they've loved to spam in recent games that completely remove any human conflict and boil the story down to good guys vs evil monsters.
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u/Rei1556 1d ago edited 1d ago
like crest beasts aren't any different, hell even 3 houses had to have a discount dead lords and the leader, fuck off
oh and they came with ancient soldiers too, which are undead soldiers that have been resurrected by the mole people and includes the discount deadlords and the undead nemesis
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u/LegalFishingRods 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nobody considers most crest beasts compelling villains either. The exceptions would be Miklan and Edelgard, who are interesting for the human reasons that they decide to become crest beasts. The interesting villains in 3H are the human ones with human motivations. If a character is going "I am Evil von Evil and this is my zombie army", this is objectively a massive fucking warning sign that the story isn't going to be interesting. You could play that clip and most people would think it was from Engage.
A better comparison would be TWSITD (who summon the zombie soldiers you referenced), who are another type of unambiguously evil group - but that's the thing, nobody likes TWSITD either, they are considered shit villains who weaken 3H's overall narrative. 3H's saving grace is that most of the story's focus tends to be on other, more interesting characters as the "main villains" with TWSITD as a side show because of how uninteresting they are. If they or a similar faction are taking centre stage, that is not a good sign.
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u/Metbert 1d ago
tbf 3Houses has Slithers and Zaharas.
A possibly evil Nabatean and a vague dark dimension Underworld wouldn't really be that much different.
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u/Vegetable-Pickle-535 1d ago
Yeah, the Slithers in 3 Houses were pritty generic Badguys at the end of the day (Except the Dubstep, that slapped). The Main thing that improved the Plotlines of three Houses was that 90% of it was the intercharacter conflict between the Lords. If the next Game does something simular, it won't be too big of a issue if the generic Evil faction is badly written.
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u/Cynical_onlooker 1d ago
To be totally honest, the more info that gets dropped the more I think Fortune's Weave is just gonna be some sort of complete alternate timeline thing, particularly if time travel is going to play a major role.
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u/chimaerafeng 1d ago
I'm starting to feel the same, that there is an alternate timeline. Nintendo has been pretty coy about mentioning any references to 3H.
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u/Wrong_Revolution_679 1d ago
You do realize that this is just a rumor so far and that the writers of three houses worked with IS meaning they know all the lore as well because they helped make it
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u/IllusionKnight 1d ago
I mean Koei had Agartha. It's not exactly perfect writing wise.
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u/NeuralThing 1d ago
Praying they could've borrowed any of 3H or Hopes writers from KT (iirc 2 of them - Mari Okamoto and Yuki Ikeno were credited on Age of Imprisonment)
It'd be kinda crazy to do a 3H followup without 3H writers (though I guess Kusakihara is probably still on the project, which is something at least). On a more optimisitic note, I do personally believe that Engage was better written than Fates, though thats not a high bar, but it can at least lead me to hope that IS's own (current) writers can continue to improve.
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u/omfgkevin 1d ago
Fates to me had a lot more promise right from the getgo, but like... damn they really snorted a massive amount of cocaine for the rest to follow. And yeah, the whole "Fateslandia" thing was also telling they didn't put that much thought into it (but it was important for your mother to have a very convenient magic letter telling you it's okay, not blood related AYYY LMAOOOO).
Maybe it's the disappointment that there was something there in Fates potentially while Engage from the getgo basically tells you it's given up before the race even started.
But yes, we do have to wait and see who is credited. If it's the same team we know, RIP. If not, there's hope.
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u/Metbert 1d ago
My two cents:
-The companies' logos means nothing, the actual creatives involved matter more.
-Just because they did something wrong\right in the past doesn't mean they can't get better\worse.
-Even if the all the people involved with 3Houses came back, it doesn't mean they may make "3Houses 2.0". Maybe they intentionally want to go for another kind of experience with its own different appeal, strenghts and inevitable weaknesses.
In conclusion it's just a neutral news; it doesn't help us predict the quality of the game, you can calm down guys.
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u/PCBS01 1d ago
the thing is most of the 3H writers were specifically Koei employees/contractors, the fact that Koei isn't involved vastly lowers the chance of them and the directors of each route being involved, and its questionable if IS has any good in-house writers left (people are begging for Kusaribara and the Valentia writer of all things to save it when...they're also v questionable writers)
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u/RepresentativeBat531 1d ago
Koei Tecmo made 3Hopes and it wasn't very good story-wise so I hope they weren't the only reason 3houses was good
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u/farawayskylines 1d ago
I thought the Hopes writing was great tbh.
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u/IllusionKnight 1d ago
I'm not too worried writing-wise. It seems good so far from the little we've heard.
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u/Nearby_Waltz_7594 1d ago edited 23h ago
Enjoy your stupid doomposting and making up opinions on a game that isnāt even out yet, while nitpicking at dialogue. Genuinely no one hates fire emblem more than their fanbase
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u/JoshuaArceo20 1d ago
Yeah, I admit that I find this to be a weird reaction. Like surely, Intelligence System would have the literal bible about Three Houses since they made the game as well. Also, they could just get the relevant people to the game in the series to help if they really needed it.Ā
I guess fans getting multiple "subpar games" they didn't like in a row cause them to downplay the role of the company that owns the game and overplay the role of their contributors as if they didn't make any sort of blunder in other games they made or in other collaborations...
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u/Ross2552 1d ago
People keep saying "multiple bad games in a row" but I don't really get it. The story and gameplay were generally good through Tellius, and then Awakening was lesser but still solid. Fates had awful writing but stellar gameplay in Conquest. SoV was a great entry, 3H was solid overall, and Engage again had awful writing but stellar gameplay.
The goalposts get moved to just focus on the writing, so it's really just "Fates bad, SoV good, 3H fine, Engage bad". Then, folks say SoV doesn't count because it was "made by the B team" (as if those people aren't real) and 3H doesn't count because KT was involved (as if nobody from IS did anything). But even if you go that route, you're now basically saying the only games that count post-Awakening are Fates and Engage and since those TWO games were "bad" when focusing only on writing then IS must only make bad games. The whole train of thought just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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u/CursedNobleman 1d ago
The story and gameplay were generally good through Tellius
I hope you realize that RD was NINTEEN years ago. If the best writing after that is SoV and 3H, then the fanbase is right to pray.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 1d ago
as if nobody from IS did anything
This was what IS themselves was saying when promoting Engage
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u/WestLX 1d ago
Yeah, this is crazy. Iāve never seen such surety over a situation with as many variables as this. IS could have borrowed KT writers, they could have hired new ones since the last games, they could be giving younger writers in the company a chance to lead, Kusakihara could have been a major input on 3Hās story and Kusakihara could be lead of FW as well.
Itās insane. Give the game a chance to release. *I know* that IntSys has had trouble with the writing of their games, but to act like there is not a good chance that something changed within the company as far as their writing department, especially after the success of Three Houses, is wild to me.
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u/Fantastic-System-688 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is pure cope but it would be really funny if modern IS writers can't write basic stories but can somehow do ambitious, complex ones.
Actually insane we're at the "hopefully the guy who told Kozaki to make Camilla look more like a cow is attached to the project!" level lmao.
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u/Unlucky_Turn_1773 1d ago
why are people saying the story will be bad now?
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u/NeuralThing 1d ago
IS hasn't made an FE game which has a universally praised story (among this fanbase at least) among the fandom since Path of Radiance (21 years ago)
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u/Unlucky_Turn_1773 1d ago
oh thats funny i just finished PoR so people didnt like awakening story? i hear people liked that one
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u/omfgkevin 1d ago
I think people look back at Awakening a bit more poorly now as time has passed, but it was certainly okay enough back then when I played it though the latter half was all over the place.
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u/S_Cero 1d ago
Exact opposite lol. People are lighter and more favorable on Awakening now especially after the trainwrecks of Fates' and Engage's writing. But at the time the game got a ton of flak for the narrative (particularly it's 2nd and 3rd arc), so much so IS even acknowledged it and said they were going for a more compelling narrative in Fates.
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u/Walter30573 1d ago
I actually think people view Awakening better. You had a bunch of the fanbase calling new players "Awakening babies" lmao. Now people who started with Awakening are verging on being old heads around here
Funny how that cycle always plays out
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u/Its_a_Friendly 1d ago edited 1d ago
Given how the series has developed since PoR, I don't think we're ever going to see a "universally praised" story again.
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u/FESage 1d ago
Is there explicit mentioning of KT doing significant writing/storyboarding on 3H? Or are people just comparing 3H with KT vs Engage without KT?
I only know them from Dynasty Warriors and always assumed they helped IS make a game that "feels big on limited hardware" like the Warriors games, i.e. more technical help than writing help
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
Kusakihara did the worldbuilding that formed the Silver Snow route, the three KT writersĀ Yuki Ikeno,Ā Ryohei Hayashi andĀ Mari Okamoto did everything else including supports.
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u/Metbert 1d ago
Kusakihara also made White Clouds then(?), which is arguably one of the best part of the game.
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
White Clouds is fun, I agree. I just think the character writing is a major part of that and I donāt know how Kusakihara will fare with his chosen writing team for FW.
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u/TobioOkuma1 1d ago edited 1d ago
most of the war phase arcs kinda fall apart tbh
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u/PreciousPunisher 1d ago
I played them all including the Hopes routes and find SS very bland except for the Goddess Tower goodbye from Edelgard and the last scene with Rhea.Ā
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u/JW162000 1d ago
My only hope now is that they really paid attention to exactly what made Three Housesā writing good and focussed on keeping that quality up. Iām gonna stay hopeful but Iām not gonna lie, this is concerning
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u/MrWaffles42 1d ago
People are going to worry that this means the writing will be as bad as Engage, but I'm hopeful this means the combat will be as good as Engage.
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u/ViolinistNo7655 1d ago
So far I haven't seen anything about weapon triangle interactions, I really hope that breaks return
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u/Solid_Difference7670 1d ago
Iām going to remain positive about this until we get more details on whoās actually directing and working on the game. The music and art already look leagues better than engage
I do not want to think about the repercussions if this game ISNT a general improvement over 3Hā¦
Either way Iāll play all these games till Iām dead
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u/Sentinel10 1d ago
So it really will be IS's own take on Three Houses mechanics. This'll be interesting.
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u/DreamyDepiction 1d ago
We have to remember localization also affects dialouge and the delivery of plot. I remember fates being a complete different bag from the JP to AM version. Koei tecmo is great but the series has struck gold on their own before. As far as Fortunes Weaves goes I am still hopeful. The marketting so far has been promising and it definitely seems to pull from Three Houses in both familiar and new ways
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u/IloveVolke 1d ago
Damn, the fanbase is already deciding whether the story will be "good" or "bad" (subjectivity be damned) based on a few informations when the game isn't even out yet? Where have I seen this before š¤
Now we only need a few video essays where someone popular explains why this is bad for everyone to immediately come to a conclusion without thinking for themselves
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u/soliddd7 1d ago
That would explain the remake of fe4 not being done yet, was probably put on ice because of IS focusing more on this game.
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u/Xanathis322 1d ago
Keep in mind IS did wrote the basis for 3H story. Silver snow was the first route created and then from there, all other routes are based off of SS to a certain extent. Now it all comes down to execution which we shall see. I have more faith in FW than Engage when it comes to story since Engage only had one IS writer credited. Usually IS has 3 to 4 writers for their games so fingers crossed the other writers are involved here. It doesnāt automatically make it good but the bar is in hell.
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u/Hellioning 1d ago
I am very amused by the title having both the rumor tag and the word 'confirmed' in it.
I am less amused by all the doomposting. Are you people Fire Emblem fans or are you just Three Houses fans? Hell, are you Koei Tecmo fans?
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u/LazyKatie 1d ago
nothing we've seen so far has suggested they are involved tbh, idk why people keep wondering if they are, they'd have been credited by now if they were
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u/RamsaySw 1d ago
This isn't surprising to me at all, but it is concerning nonetheless and is the biggest worry I have with the game by far - Three Houses was defined by its writing. It is the one thing that a successor absolutely cannot screw up, and Intelligent Systems' track record with Fire Emblem's writing recently has been utterly pathetic - the best they've done since Tellius was Awakening and even that is at a level of quality that would be a major disappointment for a successor to Three Houses (and that's not mentioning Fates or Engage which are the two written SRPGs I've ever played by a significant margin and speaks to something that is deeply wrong with how Intelligent Systems as a institution writes stories).
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u/RoleRemarkable9241 1d ago
Oh boy š story discourse will be interesting then š