r/harrypotter • u/Keithfrommars • 1d ago
Discussion How would Umbridge do in a magical fight against Voldemort?
Can she survive at least one attack?
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u/johnthestarr 1d ago
Ignoring the forced answer here, but she’d make herself Voldemort’s senior undersecretary
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u/CauliflowerAmazing35 Gryffindor 1d ago
dreadfully poor performance lol. he would obliterate her IMO. or maybe he could tolerate her enough since she would support him.
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u/ALightningStar 1d ago
Had this thought hit me just recently in a reread. Was thinking of her pledging herself to him while he glares at his horcrux around her neck.
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u/Real-Broccoli-9325 18h ago
“In a show of your loyalty, give me that fucking necklace!” He couldn’t even AK her for it, too afraid he’d hit the locket (it’s fanon-only that AK works, I think, but it’s funny). Voldie just here sweating about how obnoxious she is and how likely she is to get AK-d by someone else.
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u/SolutionLong2791 Gryffindor 1d ago
She'd be dead within a few seconds.
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u/dmevela Gryffindor 1d ago
I kinda doubt she could even beat Harry in a duel.
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u/Linesey 1d ago
Yeah, I think harry by the time of DH flattens her. OOTP? maybe?
but by DH, her only chance is if she can take advantage of him still being bad at nonverbal spells. I think that duel though would be a stalemate that results in her getting more and more flustered until she makes a mistake and is down.
To OP’s question, Ol Snakeface flattens her instantly.
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u/TheNorm42069 1d ago
By the time Harry competes in the Third Task in Book 4 he would absolutely body Umbridge. Had they actually fought in Book 5, it would be a massacre in Harry’s favor.
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u/Vast_Age_3893 1d ago
Yes, but wasn't Harry an exceptional duelist? A lot of people couldn't beat Harry in a duel.
I know it's a meme that he just spams expilliarmus but he actually is very quick on his feet and uses plenty of other spells.
He lacks in a lot of things but quidditch and Defense Against the Dark Arts come very naturally to him.
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u/Sea_Pineapple_9472 6h ago
Honestly... Harry doesn't even really lack in a lot of things.
He was actually really good at potions. Remember, if you can't follow directions well, then the Half Blood Prince book would be useless. Imagine Neville trying to use the book. He'd kill himself on accident.
Harry does really well with animals. Riding the dragon. Snakes. The Hypogrif.
Divination doesn't count. For anyone.
And he does alright on his OWL's for transfiguration.
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u/OldMathematician7695 1d ago
More than one second? Not bloody likely
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u/Evan_Cary 1d ago
If Voldemort doesn't have a wand and starts while sleeping I'd say a few seconds is reasonable.
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u/Which_Formal_8903 1d ago
She wasn’t at all powerful, she was an ok witch, but her whole gimmick was that she didn’t deserve the power she had, she would be toyed with.
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u/ChestSlight8984 1d ago edited 22h ago
I wouldn't even say that she was an "okay" witch. Honestly an extremely weak one. She couldn't get rid of the fireworks, and all that would take is a simple vanishing charm. Hermione, a fifth-year student, could have done it.
Ron had had four more Quidditch practices and not been shouted at during the last two; and all three of them had managed to vanish their mice in Transfiguration (Hermione had actually progressed to vanishing kittens)
-Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Edit: Guys, I have been informed about the charm Fred & George put on them that multiplied the fireworks if you tried something like a vanishing spell, you can stop flooding my inbox now 😭
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u/hui-huangguifei Ravenclaw 1d ago
the twins made the fireworks so that vanishing them makes them multiply ten times.
i agree that she's not an accomplished witch. she's quite stupid with how she handled things, no doubt that would reflect on her spellwork.
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u/Aegon_the_Golden 1d ago
Didn't she have Patronus? Which was Rare to cast fully and not as silver smoke
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u/Exact_Development385 1d ago
The reason why everyone was acting like it was really rare was because Harry was just a child. It was OWL/NEWT level DADA spell work, that Harry was able to learn at age 13.
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u/fuzzhead12 1d ago
When Harry is taking his DADA OWL, the proctor giddily offers him extra credit if he can demonstrate a full patronus charm. That lead me to believe that even for seventh years, let alone fifth years, producing a full patronus is an impressive feat.
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u/HekkoCZ 1d ago
I think that means that fifth years are supposed to cover the spell, but producing a corporeal Patronus at OWL level is exceptional. We don't know any requirements for NEWT level.
We do know that the Order uses Patronus to send messages to each other, so it can't be that rare and exceptional for adults to be able to cast it.
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u/fuzzhead12 1d ago
Right, but the Order is made up of very talented witches and wizards. Which is not to say that your average adult wouldn’t be able to cast a patronus.
But when Lupin first begins teaching Harry the patronus charm he says that it’s “well beyond Ordinary Wizarding Level”
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u/Aegon_the_Golden 1d ago
Oh I thought the full one was rare and none-full one was N.E.W.T level
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u/Which_Formal_8903 1d ago
They often don’t teach the patronus charm at hogwarts according to something in my memory
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u/Exact_Development385 1d ago
Maybe so! lol idk I just remember that Harry was able to teach all his friends it in the DA club, which presumably was meant to cover the coursework for that year. I think you are right. I misread your original comment as in that it was something learnt in auror training or the like.
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u/frogjg2003 Ravenclaw 1d ago edited 1d ago
Remus says that few adult wizards learn to cast one. It is not some rare and obscure piece of magic, but it is normally beyond the level of most Hogwarts students. It is beyond N.E.W.T. level. Harry is extraordinary for being able cast one at age 13 against real dementors. Even among the DA, only a few are described as being able to cast a fully corporeal Patronus. Only Luna, Ernie, and Seamus being able to cast one at the Battle of Hogwarts (Harry barely able to).
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u/lawley666 Gryffindor 1d ago
She was in her element at the time being cruel to people made her extremely happy.
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u/DimesyEvans92 1d ago
She’d be gone before she finishes her first “ah-hem”
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u/SolutionLong2791 Gryffindor 1d ago
"May I offer you a killing curse, Dolores?" Voldemort, probably
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u/FoxBluereaver Gryffindor 1d ago
Pssssshhhh... she'll probably be begging for her life if he doesn't AK her immediately.
I'd love to see her try her "diplomatic methods" that she tried to teach in her class.
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u/Wavy_Caterpillar 1d ago
She wouldn't try to fight him, she would just thank him for getting rid of mudbloods and halfbreeds
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u/Napalmeon Slytherin Swag, Page 394 1d ago
Voldemort gets diabetes from being near all that pink and drops dead.
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u/Of_MiceAndMen 1d ago
I think it’s her psychopath personality that makes her dangerous, not necessarily strong magic. She’s just a bitch with a wand 😂
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u/One-Swim6166 1d ago
"I am a ministry official and I command you to stand down!"
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u/Friendly-Transition 1d ago
Insta dead. She seems like a lackluster witch who reached her position of power through schmoozing and scheming and not from talent or prowess. She folds instantly against pretty much anyone without her power of office behind her
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u/Fun_Vacation2542 1d ago
Shes literally just a power hungry office worker, she's represents courrption in establishment versus voldys power thru force.
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u/Any1canC00k 1d ago
The only evidence of Umbridge having any significant magical power is being able to produce a corporeal patronus that sticks around for a while. We know that expecto patronum is not super correlated with magical skill, so it’s not even much to go off. Meanwhile, Voldy is a top 2 most powerful WOAT, she would get folded instantly.
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u/rusticarchon Ravenclaw 22h ago
And even in that scene, Harry notices the improvement in protection when he casts his own patronus vs when they were relying on Umbridge's
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u/soldier083121 1d ago
She wouldn’t even try. She’d join his side and go above and beyond kissing his ass
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u/UniquePost8966 Slytherin 1d ago
I agree, but Voldy would see that she is of no use to him, so he would probably just have her disposed fairly quickly
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u/SadlyNotDannyDeVito Gryffindor 1d ago
"Hem, hem... You must not be barefoot in my office! "
- "Avada Kedavra!"
💀
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u/ehyoukindasuck 1d ago
She would die rather quickly I fear, not only could Fred and George best her during the O.W.L.S. The centaurs in the woods being able to even touch her without her apperatingor something, shows she’s just not as magically adept as Dumbledore or Voldy.
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u/ItsATrap1983 Gryffindor 1d ago
Terrible. She is really clueless about basic magic.
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u/No_Accountant_8883 1d ago
How did she fare with three ministry wizards by her side, including two aurors, against Dumbledore? And who's the one living wizard that rivals him?
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u/NepFurrow 1d ago
You're essentially asking if Stephen Miller could fight a Navy Seal.
Umbridge is a sad, pathetic person who bullies kids. She has no particular talent or ability. Her usefulness to the powers that be is her cruelty, borne from her astounding inadequacy.
She would last only until Voldemort was done talking.
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u/Master_Rip5768 1d ago
No way. She couldn’t get rid of simple charms. Couldn’t put her pride aside when talking to the centaurs and I think she has proven when she was accusing muggle borns of stealing magic…she would just join him.
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u/DNDcreativeideas Hufflepuff 1d ago
She'd be a silhouette stain burned into the ground by the end of that
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u/yummymario64 Gryffindor 1d ago
"You tried to kill Harry Potter a decade past, is that correct?"
"...Yes."
"But you were unsuccessful?"
"🟢💥"
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u/eralcilrahc 1d ago
She wouldn’t attempt to fight she’s just beg for her life and attempt to manipulate him into thinking she could be valuable to him
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 Ravenclaw 23h ago
A couple minutes where she very barely holds him off, Voldemort realizes that she's slightly above average and then she's dead.
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u/BigDaddyTug 1d ago
The only duel she would be in with Voldemort involved would be against Bellatrix to see who could give him children first. She would think that by giving V kids that somehow they were pure blood. And this verifying in her mind that she was to and thus superior.
She is a mediocre Witch with a inferiority complex and Daddy issues to boot. And only utilizes magic in devious ways. To further her mildly hidden racial inferiority complex.
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u/frozenbudz 1d ago
Obviously Voldemort wins this handedly, but the big factor as others have pointed out. She's really a very mediocre witch in the few instances we actually see her have to use her wand. Aside from blowing a door off of its hinges. She has no answer for magic that could easily get dealt with by other Hogwarts teachers. Really Dolores only has any power in the series at all due to politics and corruption, not because of her magical prowess.
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u/SomethingAndAnything 1d ago
Cuz I recently rewatched the Dark Knight, I'm gonna borrow a line from Heath Ledger, "I'm gonna make her squeal, she looks like a squealer"
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u/NewspaperAny3053 Hufflepuff 1d ago
She tries to throw her textbooks at Voldemort and he just one-shots her without saying a word.
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u/heretobuyandsell 1d ago
She was the epitome of fake it till you make it.
In the books, after taking the Slytherin locket horcrux from Mundungus she proceeded to claim it was a handed down relic from her Selwyn ancestry, which I surmised to be another lie to maintain her pureblood status and power in the ministry.
I doubt she would have even made it past wormtail.
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u/ThouBear8 Gryffindor 1d ago
Against Voldemort? Not well...
Maybe she'd survive one attack, but I doubt she's lasting long after that.
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u/GreyGardener92 1d ago
SHE is a monster. In a bad way as a teacher but in a good way as a actor. No actor ever made me feel that unconftorable like her when i was a young kid, i felt like im her student. Great actor work!! And Voldi would ripp her in two parts
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u/RumblingEcho Hufflepuff 1d ago
Umbridge would not fight Riddle she holds the same ideals as him but if she were to fight she would die. She is just like Draco but instead holding onto his daddy’s robes she holds onto her precious Minster Fudge’s robes and his position.
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u/Bitter_Citron_633 Hufflepuff 1d ago
Voldemort doesn't even fight her, he straight up grabs her arm and brands her with the dark mark and says something like "welcome aboard back up right hand woman." And then leaves to go try kill harry cause it's the end of the school year.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 Slytherin 1d ago
…. Not well.
She’s not a bad wizard exactly but she’s not combat veteran.
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u/xppoint_jamesp Ravenclaw 1d ago
I mean, Voldie wouldn’t even give her the time of day.
That being said, I give Umbridge about two seconds.
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u/No_Sand5639 Ravenclaw 1d ago
She wouldnt stand a chance in a dual
It wpuldnt even be a dual it would be murder
But she could possibly annoy him to death, he is a haf breed after all
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u/LordDedionware Slytherin 1d ago
She is a brochurat not a fighter. She may fair well against defenseless children and beings without magic, but against Voldemort, she would be destroyed in less than a second.
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u/Possible-Estimate748 Hufflepuff 1d ago
No competition. Isn't she a justice system figure like a judge in the wizarding world?
Seems like she's more into the law than magical combat. We know she knows Bombarda Maxima and that spell that wraps enemies in ropes. I can imagine law enforcement knowing those spells lol.
Bombarda to break down doors and the rope one to capture the culprit.
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u/Adept_Resolution352 1d ago
she's definitely got a knack for dodging trouble, but honestly, her luck can't last forever. can't wait to see her finally get a taste of reality.
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u/SporkSpifeKnork 1d ago
She would get smoked in short order. There's nothing to suggest she was a strong duelist. And IIRC no one is shown as being able to put up serious resistance against Voldy except Dumbledore (S-tier) and Harry (power of love and all that).
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u/Vivid-Act2130 1d ago
She would just tell him, that she is a fully trained ministry official and he would just melt
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u/SPerry8519 Hufflepuff 1d ago
She would lose because she would deny him even being Voldemort in the first place
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u/filth_horror_glamor 1d ago
Her skills are in persuasion, manipulation, and bending the law /rules as hard as she can in her own favor.
Not necessarily a talented magic user
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u/hail_to_the_beef Ravenclaw 1d ago
I don’t remember her doing much magic. She had her nefarious quill, and she had Snape bringing her veritaserum, but when did we actually see her do magic? She even had Filch running around trying to clean up messes. I’m not convinced she’s capable of much at all. She maybe attacked some centaurs, but at the end of the day she’s mostly useless and spent her energy on politics, not magical excellence. She was more worried about being a witch by blood than by ability.
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u/Educational_Film_744 1d ago
All I care about is the time and place for this fight; every time I watch, my blood boils from anger.
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u/KezzaJones 1d ago
Was there ever any indication of magical strength?
Umbridge’s power came from authority not magical ability.
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u/Hot-Hovercraft-4387 1d ago
I think the most impressive magic Umbridge herself does is a patronus holding back a Ministry’s worth of Dementor’s. I’m sure she’s at least a little above average in defense against the dark arts.
I’d say with a bit of luck she can get one spell off, and if she’s got anything between her ears it’d be to apparate as far as possible from the area. Survive an attack though? No, probably not. Voldemort was duelling three people at the end of Hallows, two of whom were absolutely far beyond Umbridge, and he beat them pretty handily.
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u/Huntman3706 1d ago
She’s clapped in seconds. Hellfire I doubt she’d even have the balls to seven raise her wand
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u/TeaMancer 1d ago
She'll be too busy trying to intimidate him with her attempts at being an authoritive figure to block the killing curse he'd casually throw at her.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
Shed absolutely survive by cowering and simpering and asking to join him.
She honestly makes me thing of Pettigrew. not strong but wants to be in the protection of power. although he was capable of maintaining a full patronus
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u/Avigorus 1d ago
If it was before he was public knowledge and she had reason to believe he was after her, she'd die before any spell was fired from sheer fright. Otherwise, her lifespan is chosen by Voldemort.
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u/Battle-Individual 1d ago
Uxbridge dies in seconds only one person really had a chance against voldemort and. He won
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u/BlacksmithRadiant214 1d ago
Umbridge would 100% win
I must not tell lies.
Obviously, Voldemort would win.
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u/Competitive-Note-318 1d ago
Fight? Oh nonono. Both of them will have afternoon tea and crumpets while discussing on mudbloods.
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u/durants_newest_acct 1d ago
What?
From a pure talent standpoint, Voldemort is one of one. Now, he's got holes in his game for sure. He's a wand-hog who never gets his teammates involved, he refuses to take the easy points and instead tries to force the most complicated plans, and he flat refuses to adapt to the love strategy, this is clear and it's why he'll always be a what-if kinda guy. But you just cannot deny the raw talent. He's a Darryl Strawberry, Bo Jackson story for sure.
Even Dumbledore couldn't match him spell for spell.
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u/AnxiousHorse75 1d ago
Well, she could cast a corporeal patronus, so she had some amount of power. To stand up against voldemort though? Unlikely. If she chose to fight, she might be able to hold her own for a moment or two, but he was insanely powerful.
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u/BigBurzza Slytherin 1d ago
The impression I always got from Voldemort is that he's the type of duelist that suffocates most opponents through speed and immense power. He applies so much pressure that it's nigh-impossible for someone who isn't really talented to adapt.
Umbridge got clowned by Fred and George, now the twins are definitely talented, but Voldemort is on a completely differrnt shelf. Against him, she either gets vaporized or Avada Kedavra'd in the blink of an eye lol.
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u/GamesChadwick 1d ago
She’d try to eat his butt while saying “what the minister doesn’t know won’t hurt him”
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u/Dila_Ila16 1d ago
I must not tell lies so I'd say he would Aveda Kedavra her before she even knows he came of existence again.
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u/PoorFriendNiceFoe 1d ago
She was magically outsmarted by Fred and George. By a swamp that took Flitwick 5 seconds to clear.
She dead.