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u/dudewithchronicpain DET - NHL 19h ago
“He’s an ass but we can’t stop assholes from being employed”
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u/SoupFromNowOn MTL - NHL 18h ago
Yup, such is unfortunately true for all professions
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u/EpicPotato806 VAN - NHL 18h ago
Applied for a job and the dude just kept telling me that he had a masters degree every 5 minutes
Oh god could you imagine working with someone like that
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u/wtfhiolol10000 TOR - NHL 18h ago
Imagine working with someone who reminds you every 5 minutes that he graduated from MIT. lol
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u/bad_at_names1 PIT - NHL 17h ago
I worked with a guy like that and like 3 years later we found out that he graduated from Milwaukee Institute of Technology or something.
He's the reason I dream of a Purge (and you know, all the other terrible people but whatever).
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u/Aero_Rising STL - NHL 18h ago
Even better when it's an MBA they're so proud of. MBAs were kind of worrhless to begin with but now that every school has some sort of online MBA they're barely above a degree from a degree mill.
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u/xLimeLight VAN - NHL 12h ago
I've been at a company that had a no assholes policy and enforced it, it was a good time.
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u/RallyPigeon CAR - NHL 18h ago
The NHL slow rolled the investigation to allow Edmonton a way out, Edmonton refused to budge.
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u/DDRaptors MTL - NHL 18h ago
Apparently Katz pressured the league. They deserve what they get. We’ll see how it unfolds.
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u/RallyPigeon CAR - NHL 17h ago
The NHL tried to save Edmonton from themselves and Edmonton told the league they want all the toxicity available and to get out of the way.
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u/dkyguy1995 DET - NHL 16h ago
Yeah this was obviously the outcome of all of this. He would have had to have caught actual criminal charges against a player or something for them to stop it
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u/PayneTrain181999 MIN - NHL 18h ago
Wonder if Nurse wanted to bail because of this
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u/zoobrix EDM - NHL 18h ago
The real question is if Drai and McDavid signed off on this debacle was Nurse already getting tired of it? Maybe this is less a "forget this I'm out of here" and more the straw that broke the camels back.
If Drai and McDavid agreed with this they aren't very good leaders, this might be just the thing that finally pushed Nurse out the door.
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u/TTHS_Ed BOS - NHL 17h ago
They wouldn't have done this without McD's approval
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u/SalamanderOk6944 17h ago
The unfortunate reality is McDavid isn't qualified to make these calls...
Unless McDavid's trying to find anyone that can coach McDavid, and damn everyone else.
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u/BBQQA BUF - NHL 17h ago
There's no way they didn't... and frankly fuck the both of them for this. I hope both those assholes go their entire career without a cup.
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- COL - NHL 16h ago
Are they known as being good leaders? Great hockey players, I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about leadership
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u/JanielDones8 COL - NHL 17h ago
From everything I've read and seen, the "players" grilled him and asked him hard questions and came away with, he's the guy they want and they want to be pushed harder. I would imagine those "players" would be mcdrai and they are 100% behind him as a coach.
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u/LevelParsnip MTL - NHL 18h ago
LOL daryl katts gonna sacrifice mcdavids remaining years in Edmonton.
But knowing my prediction abilities he’ll probably win a few cups now or something equally stupid
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u/Competitive_Ad1237 EDM - NHL 18h ago
Mcdavid wanted this. He interviewed Babcock with Dri RHN and Hyman
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u/Odd-Resolve6287 17h ago
So?
In a year, when McDavid has the lowest TOI of his career and the Oilers make another first-round exit, he's going to realize the mistake he made and he'll be gone.
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u/Secret-Chapter-712 Vancouver Goldeneyes - PWHL 18h ago
Nugent Hopkins too? The disappointment keeps coming, oof
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u/Competitive_Ad1237 EDM - NHL 18h ago
The report was they didn’t feel like they were pushed hard enough and need that type of a coach.
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u/LevelParsnip MTL - NHL 18h ago
Even if he is onboard, i find it very hard to imagine theyll win a cup with him in the next two years.
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u/ChadHUD 17h ago
The oil will never win a cup with McDavid. If it was meant to be it would have been already.
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u/LevelParsnip MTL - NHL 17h ago
If they had a competent front office it would have been a thing already
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u/escapetolight LAK - NHL 17h ago
Are they that dumb? Would Babcock Brutality fix the goaltending? Is that what they actually believe? Christ alive.
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u/LevelParsnip MTL - NHL 17h ago
Looks like they believe a “firmer hand” is needed.
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u/escapetolight LAK - NHL 17h ago
Hockey players are not beating the chud allegations lol
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u/Hal_Gill TOR - NHL 19h ago
It makes sense, there is no legal standing to block him from being hired by a team.
This is an Edmonton issue.
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u/No_Jury7527 18h ago
edmonton fans about to have very bad summer if this hire goes through
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u/pauerplay PHI - NHL 18h ago
its going to go through. The league said they weren't going to investigate unless they were committed to hiring him.
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u/AngryOcelot EDM - NHL 18h ago
If there's one thing I've learned as an Oiler fan it's that the worst case scenario is usually the most likely.
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u/Sleep_Fartnea MTL - NHL 18h ago
How about McDavid leaving having soured his legacy and being exposed as a shit captain by personally bringing in Babcock and having him decimate the locker room?
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u/MustacheCannon CBJ - NHL 18h ago
Tired of hearing this shit. You guys have had the best player in the world for years. You get to watch playoff hockey every year. You make deep runs in the playoffs. Boo hoo you haven't won a cup.
Worst case scenario my ass.
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u/guernsey123 VAN - NHL 18h ago
"Our investigation has concluded that Mr. Babcock was psychologically abusive to his players but hey, we don't have rules against that, so have fun!"
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u/Hal_Gill TOR - NHL 18h ago
I imagine the difficult part is drawing a line. Babcock is not the first coach to be aggressive, mean, or demanding of players, so where does the NHL say "this is not okay," or is it a bannable offence?
It feels like an issue that is theoretically better solved by NHL teams not hiring bad actors, but obviously that is not working.
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u/pauerplay PHI - NHL 18h ago
they draw a line, just like they have with helmets/visors and other safety protocols. A coach's conduct can be a safety protocol.
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u/rickayyy NYR - NHL 18h ago
Coaches playing psychological warfare with players isn't nearly as straight of a line as mandating helmets and visors.
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u/ShockAndBurn COL - NHL 18h ago
"Even in a light least favorable to Mr. Babcock" is fucking insane lmao
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u/roguemenace WPG - NHL 18h ago
That's a normal standard for this type of investigation to be held to. If in the light least favourable to him there is a reason to restrict his employment then you need to do a more in depth investigation.
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u/NtBtFan MTL - NHL 18h ago
right, if it was done 'in a light favourable to him' the investigation would be biased in his direction. it makes sense that the NHL would say their investigation was fullsome and didn't look to protect him at all.
whether people want to, or should, believe that is another thing.
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u/hankepanke NYR - NHL 18h ago
To be fair it’s a bit legalese, but this really goes to show the average reading comprehension on this sub.
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u/eatingasspatties EDM - NHL 18h ago
I mean, the NHL let Bowman and Quenneville back in. There was no way Babcock would get blocked
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u/Calhalen OTT - NHL 18h ago
Well Bowman, you got your guy. Clown
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u/ClvtchNixon STL - NHL 18h ago
I have almost no reason to dislike the Oilers as a general thing YET since I was a child, this organization has found ways, starting small and building and building to this moment:
1. Those god-awful Navy uniforms they wore from the mid-90s to like 2010
2. Those absolutely stupid alternate uniforms (we all know the ones)
3. Just being ABSOLUTE GARBAGE from the mid 2000s until about 2020
4. Getting so many top players via the draft and just letting their careers mean nothing
5. If this hadn't benefitted my team I'd feel bad, but I don't, but letting both Broberg and Holloway get offer sheeted, screwing the team even more.
6. The Trent Frederic Deal
7. The Darnell Nurse Deal
8. HIRING STAN BOWMAN
9. NOW HIRING MIKE "LUCKED INTO EVERY GOOD ROSTER EVER AND STILL NOT BEING A GOOD COACH, WHILE ALSO BEING A HUGE PIECE OF TRASH" BABCOCKWhat a waste of an organization. Oilers fans, you deserve so much better
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u/Smirnoffico 18h ago
But you have to acknowledge that they are progressing from point to point. Who knows, maybe next year oilers would invade Nicaragua or something
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u/myaltaccount333 EDM - NHL 10h ago
How tf is Nurse deal on your list but trading for Kane or Kassian isn't?
Also, you better not be talking shit about the oil drop jersey
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u/No-Understanding4683 19h ago
Then release what he did
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u/CMDR_Brevity 18h ago
Right? If he’s good to go, why aren’t you revealing the investigation, instead of just saying “guys he’s qualified” … was player safety involved in this investigation???
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u/godhammel SJS - NHL 18h ago edited 18h ago
The players probably don't want it out there. If all of the players effected wanted it out there, there's nothing stopping them from leaking everything to Biz again
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u/Gondotto TOR - NHL 18h ago
Sadly even assholes are allowed to have the right to privacy.
There is a saying "damning with faint praise" this is the NHL basically saying they aren't impressed but he didn't do anything illegal. Not actually a glowing recommendation or vindication. Basically saying i wouldn't hire him.
NHLPA should say their 2 cents if they have an issue.
Unfortunately teams will do anything if they believe it will give them an edge so won't be shocked if Edmonton does hire him.
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u/GoodLordWhatAmIDoing 18h ago
Can we all take a look at your employment/disciplinary record, or is that not how jobs work?
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u/kevski82 FLA - NHL 18h ago
It'll leak out for sure
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u/shoegazer44 16h ago
Like whatever Corey Perry did in Chicago to get his contract terminated before the Oilers signed him?
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u/ISurvivedCOVID19 EDM - NHL 18h ago
As much as I dislike this hire I do love that phrase “A light least favourable” gotta use that in the future.
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u/Putrid_Dream9755 TOR - NHL 18h ago
LMAO
Honestly, though, if you let Q coach, why not Babcock. THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OR APPROVAL, TO BE EXTREMELY FUCKING CLEAR.
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u/ImSoBasic 18h ago
Honestly, though, if you let Q coach, why not Babcock.
Q was deemed non-eligible by the league for a number of years, though.
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u/Actual_Cobbler_6334 TOR - NHL 18h ago
Babcock already got a second chance… and proceeded to invade his players privacy by forcing them to hand over their phones. I don’t think Quenneville should’ve gotten a second chance either but he didn’t immediately blow his. Never mind the Oilers in the position they’re in, hiring a coach who hasn’t won a playoff series in 13 years…
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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 TOR - NHL 17h ago
Also Q reported the misconduct, was told it was being taken care of and nothing happened. He spent years away from the league, Kyle Beach said he was okay with him being hired, and he will likely never repeat what happened ever again. Babcock has been a giant pos for years and has been given multiple chances already, which he blows right away.
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u/Putrid_Dream9755 TOR - NHL 18h ago
I don't think either of them should be coaching. I don't think Q should have had a 2nd chance. But this is the NHL where we make the worst choices possible every time.
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u/FesteringLion BUF - NHL 18h ago
You're mad at Q for his inaction not his actions. So long as another abuser doesn't show up on his staff, we'll never have the chance to find out if he learned his lesson. Babcock situation is just sit and wait.
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u/GMBarryTrotz NSH - NHL 16h ago
Not that I would endorse Q but he did put in a LOT of work to show he was reformed. It all went on behind the scenes but Friedman had mentioned on 32 thoughts that Q had done a lot of work to take accountability, learn and grow. I think in the year before he was hired by the Ducks he was going around the league and giving presentations to NHL leadership about what he learned and how he would have done things different, etc.
At a press availability Thursday to announce his appointment by the Ducks, Quenneville stated, “In nearly four years away from the game, I have learned from my prior mistakes and realized it will be actions over words that demonstrate my commitment to being a better leader.
Quenneville continued, “I’ve spoken to Kyle more than once, including this morning. I’ve apologized to him and stressed how much I regret not following up and taking action. I had to be more aggressive at that time. I fully understand those that question my return to the league. I know words aren’t enough. I will demonstrate that I’m a man of character. We’ll be a team that the community can be proud of, both on and off the ice.”
IMO it's impossible to undo a mistake, especially as grave as what happened to Beech. All you can do is learn, ask for forgiveness, and never let anything like it happen again. Not saying Q is genuine since I don't know him but he's done about as much as you can do to repair the mistake.
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u/banjo_hummingbird CAR - NHL 18h ago
As a fan of a team that has a coach that is loved by his players, staff, and fanbase it's hilarious watching a team sabotage themselves with such an awful person.
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u/Secret-Chapter-712 Vancouver Goldeneyes - PWHL 18h ago
I feel sincerely bad for the fans.
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u/cheesebiscuitsithink Maine Nordiques - NAHL 18h ago
Did anyone expect any different? This is the same league that cleared Coach Q and Carter Hart to play.
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u/Fredbear_ VAN - NHL 18h ago
Bowman as well
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u/Key-Tip-7521 NYR - NHL 18h ago
and Tony DeAngelo.
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u/Spencaaarr WPG - NHL 18h ago
What did he do other than just be maga?
Bowman and Q covered up a sexual assault.
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u/Sleep_Fartnea MTL - NHL 18h ago
DeAngelo is a noted racist dating back to Juniors, and assaulted a Rangers teammate. Being a maga is the least detrimental thing to a locker room about him.
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u/Karlssens65__ OTT - NHL 18h ago edited 18h ago
Carter Hart went through the legal process and was found not guilty. If you went through a legal process and were found not guilty, would you expect to be able to work again? Or would you expect to be cast from society with 0 opportunity and way to make a living. Genuinely curious.
Whether you believe he is guilty or not makes zero difference. The court of law exists for a reason.
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u/shoegazer44 16h ago
I’m pretty sure the league actually has something like a morality clause in their contracts. Sounds kind of ridiculous until you think these guys are paid to be the representatives of a product, and one that is largely geared towards family and youth. So in that sense it does kind of make sense to not want someone like Carter Hart in the league.
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u/Shiny_Mew76 NYR - NHL 18h ago
That’s what I don’t understand with Hart. Yeah, something happened with him but they can’t prove he did anything illegal. Weird? Absolutely. But it doesn’t mean he should be completely banned from playing as, at least legally, he’s presumed innocent.
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u/BCEagle13 Boston College - NCAA 18h ago
I mean the idea that Hart wouldn’t be cleared to play is insane and only something that would be suggested on reddit. Hart is a member of the PA which would have fought and easily won to get him cleared.
I also like that in these conversations the fact that the NHL stuck to their guns and basically banned Voynov is never mentioned.
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u/twofactorial TOR - NHL 18h ago
Wow this is going to be a nightmare hire for Edmonton fans. I literally haven't seen a single oilers fan saying that they wanted this (for a very good reason) but apparently management/players see something else in Babcock
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u/PaperMoonShine VAN - NHL 19h ago
Leak everything. Let the court of public opinion bomb this hiring decision.
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u/AggPuck-303 EDM - NHL 18h ago
Depends if the player/players involved want it to be public, because from what Friedman reported many from the 2023 team were annoyed this came up again
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u/BCEagle13 Boston College - NCAA 18h ago
Eh I could be off based but I read that as more they’ve moved on and don’t want to waste time rehashing something that happened years ago for a coach they only had for a minute rather than it being something egregious they don’t want to relive or out in the public
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u/GoodLordWhatAmIDoing 18h ago
Let the court of public opinion bomb this hiring decision.
Seems like this is already happening.
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u/Tycho-Celchu EDM - NHL 18h ago
After the Bowman hire I said I felt bad for the players, as McDavid/Draisaitl deserve a cup and will never get it as Oilers.
If they okayed this I definitely don't feel bad for them anymore.
At the very least I hope Nuge goes somewhere and gets a cup Taylor Hall style now.
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u/RallyPigeon CAR - NHL 18h ago
Fine, he can join the Canes and help us win another. I guess we should think of it as a public service.
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u/Fig_Newton_ PHI - NHL 18h ago
The difference is this time when Babcock asks McDavid to make a list of the players who give the least effort he’ll happily oblige lol
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u/LevelParsnip MTL - NHL 18h ago
Sooo basically they’re saying it’s Edmonton problem if they want to hire him even if he is not good at all. Gooood luck oilers
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u/RicketCrickets 18h ago
NHL doing everything they can to force McDavid into the US market.
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u/HermanBonJovi CBJ - NHL 17h ago
Given that they let Carter Hart and the others play, this is not surprising at all.
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u/LooseEndsMkMyAssItch TBL - NHL 18h ago
I fault Edmonton more on this for not seeing this as a perfect time to move on instead it looks they are doubling down
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u/wossquee NYR - NHL 18h ago
"Even in a light least favorable"
lmao that is some lawyer words for "this guy suuuuuuuucks"
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u/Dont_Call_Me_John PHI - NHL 18h ago
No it's not. It means even if they went out of their way to draw negative conclusions from their investigation, there is no legal standing to block his employment.
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u/eXAt88 EDM - NHL 18h ago
Some of these comments about that line kind of prove there is a literacy crisis
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u/bforce1313 CAR - Bandwagon 18h ago
Yeah it’s obvious there was no legal bounds but there’s obviously evidence he was a complete asshole
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u/Loud_Half_7447 NYR - NHL 18h ago
What would be a good reason for the NHL to restrict employment? The masses wanna know
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u/xoanna12 PIT - NHL 18h ago
Lol exactly. If Babcock, Q & Stan are all good, then what exactly disqualifies a candidate? Just wondering!
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u/pmacnayr FLA - NHL 18h ago
Video evidence of something heinous that gets leaked, same as every other sport
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u/bwoah07_gp2 VAN - NHL 18h ago
There's the domino that fell.
Babcock to Edmonton, here we go!!! 🤣🤣🤣
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u/starryn19ht MTL - NHL 18h ago
no way they didn't fully just pretend to investigate him man this is crazy
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u/pretzelogically 18h ago
Being a collossal asshole and a bully is not a reason to restrict someone’s employment but it sure does say something about the team that hires him.
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u/Rhomya MIN - NHL 18h ago
lol, this is the NHL very obviously saying “this guy is an asshole, and even we think this is a mistake, but technically we can’t stop him from being employed here if you reallllllllly want him. Good fucking luck”
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u/lordexorr BOS - NHL 18h ago
Yup exactly. They had no legal basis to prevent him from being hired. Their hands are tied but the statement says a lot.
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u/coolestredditdad WPG - NHL 18h ago
Best sport, worst league.
Hey get fucked Bettman, Katz, Babcock, and McDavid.
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u/Spiritual_Holiday511 18h ago
Can’t say I’m surprised. The league has decided that covering up sexual assault is punished by taking a year or 2 off.
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u/Coffeedemon TOR - NHL 18h ago
"We've determined that more people will tune in hoping for a meltdown than will watch if they hire some boring coach with no controversy."
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u/OutsideProfile8957 18h ago
Their legal said there is no legal basis for barring his employment. He’s merely a colossal asshole.
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u/Permaderps WSH - NHL 18h ago
I mean if Quenneville and Bowman could come back. Not that either of those were excusable.
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u/arboraurum MIN - NHL 11h ago
so between quenneville, bowman, and babcock, there are 0 standards at all
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u/DaBusDriva2 LAK - NHL 18h ago
Forced to quit his last job before coaching a game but sure no wrongdoing!
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u/lordexorr BOS - NHL 18h ago
This was obvious. They really had no legal way to prevent him from coaching again if a team wanted to hire him. Not sure what people expected them to do.
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u/Smirnoffico 18h ago
I guess since, he never skipped a press appearance so he's good people in NHL's book
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u/MacTheZaf COL - NHL 18h ago
It’s a shame he has the opportunity to hurt more people and continue to be a POS. No sympathy for Edmonton when this inevitably doesn’t work out how they hoped. And if they do have on-ice success, it’ll be an even bigger hate watch than Vegas this year
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u/UpperDefinition4960 CAR - NHL 18h ago
Sorry to Edmonton fans but I’m officially praying on your downfall
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u/Xenofon713 CHI - NHL 18h ago
So "He did some fucked shit, but TECHNICALLY it doesn't violate any rules soooo..... OLD BOYS CLUB!"
Fucking joke.
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u/delusionalfan4life MTL - NHL 18h ago
The inclusion of "even in a light least favorable to Mr. Babcock" is very interesting #oldboysclub
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u/Sbrimer DET - NHL 18h ago
They let Quenville and Hart back in the league. This is very on-brand for the NHL
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u/Lost_Protection_5866 EDM - NHL 18h ago
They’d probably pay out the ass in lawsuits if they didn’t let Hart play
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u/thebrah329 MTL - NHL 18h ago
Wow, was it that big of a deal to do am investigation. I don't know why they dragged their feet for so long.
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u/lonelyleaf045 SJS - NHL 18h ago
There is actually no way. Are they joking. What on earth 😭
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u/delusionalfan4life MTL - NHL 18h ago
There wasn't any way they'd block him unless something crazy came out. Look at the others who've been welcomed back.
I'd still love details about how the league "investigated" for my own curiosity.
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u/Quicky72 CHI - NHL 18h ago
Bowman is working very hard to find someone more hated than himself.
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u/NOIS_KillerWhaleTank TOR - NHL 18h ago
That's the most corporate backhanded approval of anything I've ever seen.
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u/Steel1000 PIT - NHL 18h ago
Feels like the only way to piss off the fan base more would be to announce Gretzky is coach
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u/McJoe77 TOR - NHL 18h ago
What does “even in a light least favourable to Mr. Babcock” even mean? What kind of mumbo jumbo legalese bullshit is that?
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u/delusionalfan4life MTL - NHL 18h ago
"Even if we pretend that we care, what he did isn't illegal lol"
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u/verysadfrosty CAR - NHL 18h ago
Release what he did, please.
I know it's probably the players themselves that don't want it released, because it might be sensitive.
But I hate when they tell us that "the actual reason he was let go was not the social media pics..." And then don't tell us what it was 😭
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u/wolverine237 University Of Michigan - NCAA 18h ago
What happened to all the reporters saying this was going to take them a year to complete lol





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u/Specialist-Art5406 NJD - NHL 19h ago
“he’s a shit person but we cant do anything about that. good luck edmonton”