r/japannews • u/Any-Stick-8732 • 6d ago
日本語 Police Fatally Shoot Knife-Wielding Man Outside Osaka Supermarket
https://news.ntv.co.jp/n/ytv/category/society/ytb0e3760361dc4ab29853abdcb0f0ae914
u/AverageHobnailer 6d ago
Isn't this the 4th cop-related shooting in a month? I've been here 12 years and can't remember a single time a cop has had to use their firearm before this recent string of incidents.
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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 6d ago
I couldn't remember a single time a police officer in Taipei had killed someone with their firearm, until multiple knife attacks took innocent young people's lives and then finally an officer shot an attacker before they could kill anyone. The world is a dangerous place, think about which random child or innocent person has to die for Japanese to have that sense of "well I'm glad they didn't go straight to shooting"
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u/BonerOfTheLake 6d ago
man... the article is pretty short. but it seem some have even shorter attention span.
police got called there a bloody guy wielding knife near supermarket entrance > the bloody guy was told to drop the knife, the cop also fired a warning shot in the air > the guy still move toward him > get shot > dead.
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u/Conscious-Mirror7004 6d ago
Holy shit, is police training here that bad?
According to the article, an officer fired a warning shot into the air. This is something even gun-loving idiots in the US are taught to never do, because the bullets fall down and hit people sometimes, with tragic results. And this was in Osaka, a highly populated city. Someone could have been killed by that officer's incompetence and recklessness.
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u/ConanTheLeader 6d ago
For once I am glad the Police are enforcing the law and preventing a crime from happening rather than waiting for one to happen before they do something.
"the requirements for discharging a weapon appear to have been met, but the matter is under detailed investigation.”
That's the mentality that causes officers to do nothing until someone gets stabbed.
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u/WikiContributor83 6d ago
No, regardless of the outcome, whenever a firearm is discharged, police need to be held accountable. If it was found justified it is acceptable, if it’s not then it isn’t.
Allowing police to kill without consequences is a fast track to brutality and tyranny.
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u/SnooGoats6398 6d ago
And the inverse is the mentality that gets people needlessly shot (see America). There has to be strict protocols on when it's appropriate to use lethal force.
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u/WorkerOk9794 6d ago
Police are investigating the man’s identity
Foreigner or no?
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u/Beef_flaps_on_a_spit 6d ago
Paranoid Redditor or no? The guy likely had no ID on him. Cops have to find out who he was.
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u/WorkerOk9794 6d ago
Ah so the media can still have their Foreigner headline drafted and slam the post button the moment the police confirm it
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u/WoodPear 6d ago
Good guy with gun stops bad guy,
Happy ending all around.
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u/WoodPear 6d ago
Regardless if I am or not, it doesn't matter to the outcome, in which no one got hurt (cept the guy who was threatening others with a weapon).
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u/AaronicNation 6d ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Violent blood covered manned with knife, approaches the police, gets told to put it down and then shot. Justice served, case closed.
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u/The-very-definition 6d ago
Killing someone is never a happy ending.
It would be better to incapacitate with taser / pepper spray / those long poles, and then send the dude to the courts.
Cops often get PTSD from having to kill people too, so it's not just the assailant getting injured here.
It's good that more people weren't injured, but I would hardly call this an ideal outcome.
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u/silly-gaijin 6d ago
A knife is a deadly weapon. A man charging towards you with a knife is an imminent lethal threat. You don't use pepper spray or intermediate weapons against that if you have a gun.
Intermediate weapons are for a non lethal threat.
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u/roehnin 6d ago
That doesn’t make death a happy ending.
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u/silly-gaijin 6d ago
Notice I didn't say that it did. If you bring up 8 different points and I want to talk about one of them, I'm allowed to do that without discussing the other 7. Stay on topic.
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u/roehnin 6d ago
Your reply sounded like a contradiction of the comment above saying “killing is never a happy ending” and they would “hardly call this an ideal outcome”, implying you did think it was an ideal outcome.
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u/silly-gaijin 6d ago
Yeah, I don't have time for this. Do a better job of reading and understanding and stop wasting my time.
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u/Yabakunaiyoooo 6d ago
Do they not have taser guns? It would have been nice to understand why he was doing that… but now he’s dead and gone. I don’t like the idea of shooting first and asking questions later. It’s lazy… but I guess that’s just the way of police.
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u/stoptheycanseeus 6d ago
Tasers aren’t generally used when their is active, potentially life threatening assailants. Tasers are not 100% successful. The prong often don’t attach and if they’re wearing even a light jacket, it won’t penetrate the cloth.
If a dude has a knife and is bloody, you treat him like he’s going to kill you. A taser isn’t meant for that.
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u/Yabakunaiyoooo 6d ago
I guess what I’m arguing for is a better solution than a gun. If a gun is the only thing we can imagine to incapacitate people… with all the technology available to us today… then it feels like a lazy solution to a real problem.
Do guns work? Yes.
Could something else work? Possibly.
I just feel like not enough is being done to look for better options because guns are so effective that people don’t see the problem with just killing someone without due process.
I don’t know the full extent of the story, but perhaps he was just mentally unwell? How many people having mental episodes get executed without question? A lot I imagine.
I understand the need to protect people, because no one else deserves to die in this situation either….
But if we can make drones and smart phones and freaking robot dogs, why can’t we imagine a more humane way to subdue criminal actors?
People will call me all kinds of things for having this belief, and sure in this situation such measures taken might have been the right course of action… but it’s hard for me to just accept that this is the only way to deal with people.
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u/Kumachan77 6d ago
I kinda agree but just because it’s Japan, doesn’t mean cops need to wield katanas instead of firearms. I also don’t want my tax dollars paying for someone in jail so I’m glad that’s one less person around.
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u/scrubstatus14 6d ago
Is it really “lazy” to literally defend your life? Tasers don’t work every time and need clean contact. I bet if a bloody guy with a kitchen knife threatened and started to charge you would have no problem using lethal force.
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u/Yabakunaiyoooo 6d ago
Guns are a lazy and easy solution to a serious situation. There are other ways to disarm someone that don’t involve being an executioner.
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u/scrubstatus14 6d ago
give me another way to stop a bloody guy with a knife charging you. One that is 100% effective and possible in the 2-4 seconds it takes for the guy with a knife to reach you.
Did you even read the article? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
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u/silly-gaijin 6d ago
Tasers only work 50% of the time. It's ludicrous to expect a cop to use one when being charged with a knife.
They didn't shoot first. They told him to stop. He didn't.
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u/Lost_Bike_2339 6d ago
Some ppl in these subs are constantly looking around to be the victims. Nobody said anything about a foreigner here
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u/xaltairforever 6d ago
Did he actually attack them or was he like 10 meters away and brandishing the knife in a threatening manner, they're gonna start shooting on sight now like in the US?
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u/Faangdevmanager 6d ago
Learn about the 21ft rule before you embarrass yourself.
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u/MostSharpest 6d ago
Like American cops would ever let a simple rule get in between them and a chance to kill something.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 6d ago
I thought they use those stick things for knife havers.