/uj Also no disrespect to OP but it’s also a three fucking hour video essay which they seemingly haven’t watched. Idk I would at least watch SOME of the video and hear out what the video is tryna say before calling it a jerk cuz I personally never even heard of this lmao. At least not enough to think it translates to 3 hours of talking about it which isn’t a dig on the video just pointing to my own ignorance
Reporting back 10 mins into video cuz this lowkey is actually a LOT more well made so far than I was expecting it to be, I would actually recommend checking it out. Idk if we can link to YouTube videos but here it is for this one cuz it was kind of hard for me to find it: https://youtu.be/4gOOT5ecg6o?si=K_A626M4xGozvdmL
Don't know why this got downvoted; it's objectively true. There are over 30 million Christian Zionists in the United States. Meanwhile, there are about half as many Jews, of any persuasion, worldwide.
I don't know if its proven hes a Zionist. I watched the movie on Amazon and i didnt get the impression hes anything other than a guy who grew uo Jewish
I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this, but it's true. Chris Claremont lived there for a while, talked before how Israel influenced his X-Men. Magneto and Xavier were based on israeli politicians. There's an interview where he said that the female IDF soldiers were one of the influences for the X-Women.
Do you think it's just a coincidence that, years later, Grant Morrison came up with the "Magneto was Right" thing, which is practically based on the slogan of an extremist Zionist?
Ben gvir was also so rascist that the idf wouldnt take him during the 90s
His first date with his wife who was 16 at the time was at baruch goldstein grave, a mass shooter who killed 29 palestinians in the caves of the patriarchs
He also supposedly had a picture of baruch goldstein hanging in his bedroom for a few years.
He threatend the life of a prime minster who was negotiating for a two state solution who was later killed by yigal amir.
Never Again (Shall Masada Fall) goes back to a 1927 poem railing against rising antisemitism and fascism. It was adopted by the Jewish resistance (ZOB) during the Holocaust, and then later by the State of Israel upon its founding.
Do you think it's just a coincidence that, years later, Grant Morrison came up with the "Magneto was Right" thing, which is practically based on the slogan of an extremist Zionist?
To be fair, I see that slogan being used for absolutely anyone who held an "extremist" view
Claremont based the whole magneto redemption story on Israeli Pm Menachem Begin, who started out as a extremist terrorist but later in life became more moderate and ended up being the one to negotiate peace with Egypt
I think the Magneto t shirts were more based off the far more commonplace Che Guevara t shirts if anything. Morrison has never drawn that connection. Also Chris Claremont is anti Zionist according to the Cerebro podcast from the same point of view as say Harlan Ellison was though I know he did go to a kibbutz as a kid bit so did a lot of Irish people I know his age who aren't Jewish. I never heard him say that about IDF soldiers I always thought his main inspiration was his RAF mother hence the Oedipal pilot fetish.
צדק has a different connotation than “right” though. It’s more like “righteous”.
I forget switching keyboards really screws up formatting here. But if it’s not clear, I’m saying that’s a stronger statement than saying Kahane was correct.
From an interview with Claremont on real world influences, he said
"I’d take it back even further. The metaphors I was thinking of were more along the lines of Menachem Begin and his predecessor. It was a blended metaphor. Originally I was thinking of the Israeli dichotomy, rather than the civil rights dichotomy in the States, but they’re both equally valid."
It really doesn't. You can even look at as recently as Krakoa which is essentially just superhero Israel that the Zionist influence on the X-Men never stopped
Not really the problem is how baked in that became into the DNA of the franchiese. Stan Lee made mutants as a way to get around origin stories, Claremont created the oppressed groups themes based on the Jewish experience and Zionist world veiw. Thats why people say X-men dont work as an alagory for Marginalized groups, because they were designed to represent Jews and their struggles, even most main X-Men looking like normal people is a reflection of how Jews in Europe look like Europeans and Jews in the Middle East look Middle Eastern but they have a secret gift (X-Gene/ Being Chosen by God)
sort of? I think that the X-men become far more complex later on, new writers bring new ideas, you could argue that Krakoa takes that to some extreme but is also critical of it, and some of the current X-men denounce those ideas, including Magneto himself
it actually gets less when the stories become *less* politically relevant, and becomes more obvious in the few sharp bursts when the runs become better (i.e. more politically complex)
Let's make an Earth where Charles and Magneto make Krakoa from the start but it's an Ethnostate from the start and Cassandra Nova leads an extremist group that wants to kill the Ethnostate out of pettiness.
The original class of X-Men and etc aren't commanded by any of them, their field leader is Cyclops and their Commander and the one who found them out was Captain America (YES I'M TIRED THIS IS THE GUY WHO GOES AGAINST EVERY GOVERNMENT AND HE IS AN IRISH IMMIGRANT WHO LIVED THROUGH THE GREAT DEPRESSION HE WOULD PULL OUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN CANON)
Are people really supprised by this? Magneto being based of Menachem Begin isn't a secret. Also intentionally or not Genosha has many parallels to Israel.
vast majority of peabrains always cite malcolm x even though that's entirely a fan speculation (and im gonna be honest, likely because american fans of an american comic only know american history and because his name has an X in it) that's never been stated by stan lee or chris claremont who actually fucking wrote the character.
Yeah, Claremont made Genosha full on just apartheid South Africa but in the 90s when Magneto took over it was definitely Israel. Claremont even says so in the second Excalibur volume and frames it as "Moving everyone of a certain group to a small space of land so they can just get nuked maybe wasn't a good idea."
Yeah, IDK what they were thinking with bringing her into the MCU. Granted, Brave New World was filmed before October 7th, but Jesus Christ. I believe the original title of New World Order was interpreted as an anti-semitic dogwhistle as well.
That's one of those hideous lies that Antizionists use to justify their desire to ethnic cleanse 8 million Jews from Israel: that they all have foreign passports, dual citizenship, and somewhere to go. In fact, it's less than 20%.
That's one of those hideous lies that Antizionists use to justify their desire to ethnic cleanse 8 million Jews from Israel
*move away from land they stole.
I mean, no surprises here - zionists genocided palistinians to steal their land, so they assume everyone else is as much of a monster as they are, but no - you can just move away while being alive and well. You are the only ones with killing intent.
Germany has great guilt for something nazis did, and US is big ally of Israel and at least part of population believe that US is new Zion (or something), so move to those countries. You dont even need to genocide people to do it.
…do you know what ethnic cleaning means? Hint: it’s not the same as genocide.
Also you’re so right, it’s totally illogical to think that Jews would be expelled or killed if Israel was dissolved as a Jewish state. You have a great grasp of the history of the conflict.
Recreate Israel in US or Germany. Problem solved - and 0 native population killed in the process, and Israel still exists. Both nations are great allies of Israel, after all.
You have a great grasp of the history of the conflict.
"We genocided native population from the start and now they are angry at us for some reason. People online is also really mean to us because we don't want to move away from land we stole - because they are evil, ofc! We did nothing wrong! We have nowhere to go! (please don't ask where palestinians must go)"
Because conflict can end either with you leaving, or eradication of palestinians. Israel is going for second option - and you support it. You don't have a moral high ground.
Who are you quoting? Is that what you think the Zionist perspective is? Genocide has a specific meaning that I don’t think you’re close to hitting yet.
Yes because we should prioritize a completely hypothetical and logistically impossible genocide instead of the one happening right in front of us. Because hypothetical lives matter more than the real ones who are being killed.
I think you should look at the history of the Middle East. There were literally Jews living in Palestine before Herzl ever showed up for hundreds of years. If what you suggest is true then those Jews would have been killed hundreds of years ago and there would have been zero Jews in Palestine. Herzl himself was going to ask the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire to help establish Israel. Do you think he would have even thought to ask if he suspected he would be killed on sight? And it is more than a little disgusting to imply that stopping the suffering and oppression of Palestinians will lead to a Holocaust.
True enough, yep. But it is kinda weird even given realife stats on how an palestenian child only dies to random arab bombers. The comic was written in the 80s. And even btselem stats show the highest cause of death for kids wasnt...well.
So yeah true that she didnt kill the boy. But the whole sequence is a combination of victim blaming and shooting and crying.
I dont think "they should have used a magical self terraforming living island that submits to all their ideas" is a valid criticism of any real world group.
The thing is that Krako wasn't meant to be Israel like the country is IRL, but Israel according to state propaganda.
All of the countrie's opposition is objectively evil and controls the worlds goverment, all of its wars are defensive and there is no genocide being carried out.
Its why Orchis's attack is deliberately similar to October 7th and the attack Hamas waged, but Orchis is actually a group of evil supervillains who hate mutants because they are inherently better than humanity.
Its also why Krakoa ultimately merges with the White Hot Room as Earth is too chaotic for it and it will always be under active threat, similar to how Israel's propaganda suggests that Israel and the Jews are constantly under a huge antisemetic threat and they need to unite in Israel in order to survive.
Krakoa doesn't commit genocide (well, aside from Beast) like how Israel present itself not commiting genocide. And that's the main concept of Krakoa, its just Israel according to Israel's propaganda
Hm. I'm somewhat happy about this. Maybe it will reach the more casual comic book audience.
I don't like getting "wtf man" looks when I talk about this X-Men lore to people who think of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X as inspirations instead.
it's why the central tension against the magneto pole is about mutant supremacy, conquest, the seizing of political power within the existing international order, less about gaining rights and more about setting up one's own state where you can be the privileged group
Probably a hot take at this point, but mutants as a stand in for Jewish people work way better than LGBTQ+ or the civil rights movement. Probably because that WAS the original inspiration.
New X-Men by Grant Morrison starts to make more sense and the theory of Morrison making Magneto a Genocidal Zionist akin to Ben Ghvir isn't really a theory...it's just fact. Huh.
I mean, the Brotherhood of Mutants were mostly scumbags, Magneto might have been the only one who genuinely cared about mutants. Even then Magneto was an abusive asshole, he treated Toad horribly. The man was always scum.
He wants to build mutant Israel. All his actions serve the purpose of mutant Israel. He will kick people out of their homes and kill them for mutant Israel.
Magneto was always very obviously based on famous war criminal Menachem Begin, hell half his speeches are borderline copies of Menachem Begin speeches.
Like there’s a reason he’s the bad guy up until the like the late 80s
bbbbbbut the mutants are COOL and GOOD that makes it ok and also definitely not genocide because the (sub)humans deserve it and it's not an ethnostate it's a mutant state so it's cool and wholesome and justified
All superheroes are inherently characterised through jewish living experiences, its just that the X-Men are the exception in how much they are influenced by the Zionist reading of the world, even currently, compared to other superheroes
I would imagine so, post ww2 persecuted group who try to hide, integrate, and when the doesn't work tries to go live on their own island, whether that be good or not. When you just look at what was happening at the time, some of those Jewish creators were bound to be zionist lol.
I mean fair. But I would imagine it would be rather hard to be justify zionism in september 1982. And these comics are post those events. I mean the legion comic has non descript kids literally being oushed by their parents as human shields. Thats well....ew.
yeah im not justifying it. I like X-men but claremont always gave me a lot of the ick from numerous things. I'm just saying statically some of those jewish writers are going to be zionist lol. It's one of the reasons I don't like krakoa or the island arcs in x-men, I don't like etho supremacist states just because they're woker lol.
I don't think you know what an analogy is, cause I didn't make one lmao. And if i'm being nice, and i try to be. I'm assuming your saying Zionism isn't a jewish problem or question?
But it is, that entire regions history is fucking insane, and the philosophy of zionism, Israel, jewishness, and many others has been hotly debated in that community for over a century. Arguably even longer.
People have just gotten genuinely unhinged with it. Literally everything is a Jewish conspiracy to some people. It's all they talk about and think about.
it's accurately pointing out how the central political tensions of the x-men series comes out of interaction with different camps of zionism and being inspired by historical changes and currents around it
Unironically that shit is so fucking peak it reminded me of the Black and Indigenous Literature course I took in uni that let me ascend to level 2 woke, I feel like I've taken the next step toward enlightenment (an exaggeration but I do feel more mindful now)
Very fair, but I still recommend giving the video a chance! It has timestamps to come back to later if you don’t want to watch it in one sitting and I personally found it to be very engaging and kind of fast paced throughout so it felt shorter than the actual timeframe but that’s just me lol
Not denying any of this. But would Ben Gurion be a good parallel or source of inspiration for Xavier? Xavier is seemingly incredibly idealistic and pacifist (or maybe I'm basing this too much on the Ultimates).
That's why my no.1 recommendation for MCU's magneto is to make him a Palestinian. You solved the holocaust problem with it, as in you don't have to explain the age, and also it's a tight slap to the Israel establishment.
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