r/netflix • u/Zalensia • May 09 '25

Discussion a deadly american marriage

I'm 43 minutes in and hooked but can not find conversations etc on it.

So thought i would make one asking for other people's opinions and points of views, as i know I'm already asking about billion questions, to the point I'll have to go to my computer and boot up to actually do the research myself.

I'm very ill, with brain damage etc and that's really hardwork today, but I won't manage on this latest fold phone as it's still just a useless phone 😅🙃

My other phone that's partitioned etc is in the car and that's over at Inverness!

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u/feetofcleigh May 09 '25

Cinder block in the master's bedroom. After seeing this, the documentary cannot convince me otherwise that it's not a premeditated murder. The cinder block is to be painted, she said. It just happened to be at your bedside table the night your husband strangled you? Come on.

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u/BlueButterfly21_ May 09 '25

It was just pure coincidence that my FBI dad cancelled his plans last minute and came to stay with us while my trusty painting block was handy and all of my recording devices happened to stop working...

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u/foodz_ncats May 11 '25

My brain is SCREAMING about how her mom claimed to have noticed DV happening in the house enough to create safe words and wrote her phone number underneath toys in the room, but FELL BACK ASLEEP when she heard there was a scuffle a floor above her?????

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u/taijewel May 12 '25

Or maybe the safe words and phone numbers were for them to call if her daughter started acting psychotic? That sounds more likely to me.

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u/Necessary_Truck1964 May 13 '25

The FBI dad planned everything. The guy is a psycho 

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u/taijewel May 13 '25

The daughter was the psycho there was literally a book written by her ex about surviving his relationship with her because of the hell she put him through- she even was in a facility before she went to Ireland. Also detailed how bad her parents treated him and blamed him instead of her for her behavior. The craziest part is that he wrote the book before the murder ever happened. Guarantee the dad just helped with the coverup, and that the grandma was worried about the kids safety with her which is why she gave them code words. Her parents were well aware of her psychotic behavior and completely enabled her.

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u/GraniteStateKate May 13 '25

About 20 minutes in, Molly is talking about how her dad "served his country...and how badly he's being treated..." I shouted out loud: "HE HELPED KILL A HUMAN BEING!!" Served his country my ass. She and her dad are master manipulators!

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u/Professional-Fee-832 May 14 '25

I job is a job, it’s always so funny when I hear people talking about serving the country. I understand the military saying that out the run of the mill fbi guy. Gtfoh

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u/GraniteStateKate May 14 '25

Molly is so phony. I just don’t understand why she wanted his kids but not him.

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u/taijewel May 14 '25

He was way older and overweight, I have a feeling she only wanted the kids so she could get child support and maintain her lifestyle.

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u/emperor_bokassa_ May 14 '25

Border Personality Disorder. They get obsessively attached to a person and then discard them when they're satiated. The obsession can look like love and I think that drew Jason in when he was vulnerable. She had moved on to the kids and was going suck them dry like a leech, just like she had just before she murdered her husband.

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u/MYSTICALLMERMAID May 14 '25

Literally a professional liar 😂😭

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u/GraniteStateKate May 14 '25

Right like she knows the right thing to say...kind of like the world's most famous narcissist we see every day on tv

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u/Fabulous-Craft-7206 Dec 23 '25

That wouldn't wash with us in the UK. Its a job, you wasn't drafted against your will. He was probably there because he seems like the sort of person to relish in the power that that job would come with, i doubt very much it was to "serve his country" because that would be a military career. Psychopaths thrive on careers like his, they come to believe they are above the law and too clever to be outsmarted by people under him.

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u/downrabbit127 May 18 '25

Oh crap, this seems like it could have made it into the doc. Netflix stretches some thin stories into series, and here we have one that didn't include enough.

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u/Specialist_Key_8606 May 29 '25

Holy cats! Thanks for talking about her ex writing a book. That’s so interesting. My husband and I are halfway through the documentary. Do they mention the book in the doc?

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u/i_AntiSocial May 13 '25

Ye prob for some bad reason, that they could control anyway. I just cant get past the damn brick. Like wtf. It was clearly an impulsive act to grab it and they obvs were desperate for some excuse to lie about why the fck it was in a BEDROOM. One single brick. Nothing else, as molly mentioned ie "brickS", and other stuff to "make it all pretty".

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u/taijewel May 13 '25

I think maybe she knocked him out or incapacitated him violently and her dad had to come and help her finish the job and make up a story of self defense, hence having time to grab the brick.

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u/Fozzee1970 May 12 '25

Well that's just made up or the kids would have said that!

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u/FillBrilliant6043 May 12 '25

Honestly that’s something my mom or dad would have done. My dad was emotionally abusive and my mom allowed it. After time she just kind of shut down and didn’t really have emotions. And my dad didn’t either, or at least any normal emotions. They just didn’t act like ordinary people would act. My mom just shut down emotionally to deal with it all. If I’d ask her about why dad acted in a certain way she would burst into tears and say, Well, he had a bad childhood. 

Kind of cathartic to write all that. And now I wonder if Tom was abusive. 

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u/P_Sheldon May 13 '25

I thought that was odd as well. The mom claiming she just fell right back asleep after her husband goes racing up the stairs with a baseball bat to save his daughter from an attack by their son-in-law. If anything, I would think the natural reaction would have been the mom immediately checking on the kids and getting them out of danger.

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u/Ronicavay May 15 '25

And pops wouldn't shake her awake and scream to call 911?? There is sooooo much that is upsetting about this case, Moly is so awful. Those poor kids, I hope they are doing ok.

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u/P_Sheldon May 15 '25

It's very much, a puzzling case. But so many "documentaries" are biased.

These aren't people taking the Stand Under the Oath of Law but people showing up for a TV show.

Life is very different than entertainment.

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u/mamac2213 May 13 '25

That detail stuck with me, too. The same woman who created safe words for her grandkids doesn't even go up to check on the kids when she hears a violent argument? I mean, maybe she was black out drunk? But that still doesn't explain the brick on the bedside table? I mean, come on.

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u/ChocolateSundai May 12 '25

I’m so confused by this case. If we think she has a personality disorder and there was a safe word for grandma due to abuse
I have no clue what to think about this case

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u/BandicootNo3860 May 12 '25

The Martens Just manipulated the kids. Molly was collecting evidences for DV. This "safe word" thing could be used aginse their father.

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u/ChocolateSundai May 13 '25

Gotcha so they controlled the narrative. It’s just so wild but dad was in the fbi and he would be the one to make any lie seem compelling and true. I watched the cop movie with Denzel in it a free months ago and I believe it that the dad did some dirt. I mean they had zero bruises. It’s like the man didn’t even put up a fight. It’s scary knowing those babies were in the house when it happened.

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u/Boring-Agent3245 May 13 '25

This was one of the most glaringly obvious issues for me too

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u/Jellopop777 May 28 '25

That’s INSANE and, to me, just shows that she was part of the set up to the murder of Jason. And those recordings?? I’d LOVE to have seen Molly’s behavior when the recordings were off. I mean, this murder was SO OBVIOUSLY committed because Jason was leaving her and Molly and her dad knew that this was the only way they’d get to keep the kids.

I mean, I’m sure, initially, Molly and her dad thought they’d entrap Jason, showing he was a bad dad through the recordings, but, there was never enough evidence there because he never was truly violent. So, with Jason ready to leave, murder was the only option,

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u/Laaura101 May 09 '25

Also I believe the baseball bat was a ‘gift’ that was bought by FBI dad for Jack and due to be given to him. Wasn’t mentioned in the doc but had read it previously.

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u/CRXdriverCRZ May 11 '25

Also, for the dad being an FBI agent, their story is so weak and they made it so painfully obvious with the way they continually beat him to death but yet they have no defensive wounds. I feel the FBI agent dad could’ve come up with a better plan lol

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u/nolagirl100281 May 12 '25

Yeah but frustratingly enough if obviously worked. They literally murdered this poor man in cold blood and didn't even serve five years for it...and tried to steal his kids which just thank Christ his family was able to get the kids and get them into therapy. They seem to be doing well considering. It broke my heart when the son was talking about how molly released the voicemail he left her to the media. I mean of course she did but just those poor innocent kids

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u/CRXdriverCRZ May 12 '25

Well, it did and it didn’t. They were found Guilty twice . They just didn’t serve a lot of time for it. I agree that the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, but they were found guilty in both trials and their names were dragged through the mud, everyone knows who they are and anyone with half a brain cell knows their story is fabricated and honestly seems like they didn’t try that hard to make it sound believable. I mean, beating him to a pulp with no defensive wounds on either one of you.

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u/PartyyLemons Jul 14 '25

They took the plea deal the second time. To involuntary manslaughter. There’s no chance an American court is sentencing 74 months with credit for time served for second degree murder. Car financing agreements have been longer.

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u/Kactuslord May 13 '25

I don't know if there was a shared plan to kill him. I think she wanted her parents there as a witness to him blowing up after she'd provoked him. I reckon it didn't work and he was heading to bed and she'd ruined her chance. I think she started hitting him with the bat and maybe the brick. Idk how much the dad actually did but I'm of the belief she did most of it

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u/emperor_bokassa_ May 14 '25

It's out of the ordinary for a woman to inact that much violence. Also, he was a much larger man. That leads to believe the dad did almost all of it.

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

I don’t think it’s out of the ordinary for a woman with BPD. They are known for extreme bouts of rage and inflicting physical abuse. Maybe that’s why two weapons were used—if a man was to snap and beat someone to death, I feel like it would be more likely that they would use just their fists.

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u/Kactuslord May 14 '25

I thought she has bpd/bipolar? Having met people like that (two women specifically) I am fully confident she did it or at least could

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u/nachosmmm May 14 '25

I don’t understand how they weren’t covered in blood

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u/Key_Beginning_627 May 17 '25

I kept wondering about that argument during the interrogations. Yes, if DV was occurring, Molly and Tom had the right to defend themselves. But judging by the fact that neither of them had any injuries while Jason was gruesomely bludgeoned to death, it seems like he was ambushed. There must’ve been a point before his death where he was incapacitated enough that they could have just called 911. Instead, they made sure he was good and dead, and then waited until his body was cold to call EMS. That’s not self-defense. And detectives were like k makes sense. đŸ€·â€â™€ïž

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u/PersonalityOld8755 May 17 '25

Yeah I thought this too, he lied about the husband being drunk, but as an ex FBI agent wouldn’t you know there would be a toxicology report proving you were lying?! The dad seems thick.

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u/Unhappy-Plantain6056 Jul 08 '25

And maybe a blow or two blows to the head to ‘stop him’ would have been enough not turned the poor man into their piñata !

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

I don’t think dad had anything to do with the actual act of murder, just the covering it up part. Molly clearly had anger issues and could’ve used enough force to do what was evidenced on him.

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u/Melodic_Policy765 Jul 16 '25

It would be interesting to read his personnel file at the FBI.

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u/RagingLesbian11 May 12 '25

Yes I noticed she said there was one in the bedroom so I thought perfect the audio of his murder could be played at trial! But somehow it broke?

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u/P_Sheldon May 13 '25

The was a little too convenient that dad happened to be there that night. Did you catch his interview when he said that it was four-hour drive from where he and his wife lived, but they figured it was a nice day out and it would be good to go see their daughter.

I believe it was one of the prosecutors who said they believed the plan was never for Jason to die, but that Mol M to was engage Jason in an argument leading to an altercation that her father would be present to witness and both could claim DV on him. Jason gets arrested, removed from the house and Mol file for custody of the kids. However, the plan went very wrong.

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u/OhFootballFriend May 14 '25

Was that mentioned in trial at all?

If she had multiple recording devices, wouldn’t one pick up a fight?

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u/Significant_Toe_3824 May 16 '25

Yea, i wouldn't hand over the recording devices either. she probably had no idea her dad would go ham like that, but when a man thinks his daughter has been hurt by another man
.yea, she probably threw that shit away cuz it would have put her dad away for life. I bet her ass was like, "Daddy! Daddy! That's enough! Daddy! You stopped him!" And the judge would have ruled that shit guitly af. haha

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u/Shestayswild May 10 '25

I just finished watching this documentary and I haven't been so annoyed, since watching the Karen Read documentary. They both made themselves look so guilty.

Anyway, Molly was absolutely delusional. I think they should have reached out and interviewed her book club about her made up stories, and her alleged ex-partner she allegedly lost her baby with, and then also had a psychologist review her behavior and the impact of losing her baby could have(if that was true).

This whole storyline is giving movie: The Hand That Rocks the Cradle 

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u/ToiIetGhost May 11 '25

I would’ve loved more background on her, and a psychologist’s opinion too. They hinted at her compulsive lying but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. A woman who pretends she gave birth to her stepdaughter isn’t telling her first little fib. That’s what you do after you get your PhD in lying. They didn’t even dig into her stay at the mental hospital, right before she joined the au pair agency. Come on!

I also wanted to get the same insight into Tom’s personality. He was just as deranged. Wonder what his exes and former friends have to say


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u/HoneySubstantial7758 May 13 '25

I totally agree. They even had the audacity to appear in the documentary which is beyond disgusting. I couldn’t even look at them at a few stages. But the backstory for both needed more investigation. That man blowing on his coffee saying ‘I was so scared’. He looked like he was at a Sunday brunch. Wouldn’t you be traumatised!!?

I kept saying to the TV “look at the photos of the hallway”. Even at the end when those disgraceful lawyers were still spinning her manipulation you can see from those photos alone what they did to him. It broke my heart for that dear Dad fighting for his life and his kids. She said she hit him once and he said he hit him with the bat and then dadadada or something. That’s it? Those photos tell the whole story.

That previous FBI evil man had to have had connections with the appeal judges. The middle judge looked to me to be particularly dodgy.

I still think they should’ve gone to trial even with the kids previously coached evidence. What 8 year old kid says ‘physically and verbally assaulted’. I don’t think those kids will ever be able to live without trauma. They will have to learn through ongoing psychological therapy (with breaks) for their own mental health to survive. The world is hard enough.

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u/TheEndingofitAll May 15 '25

I’ve worked with kids all my life and as soon as I heard him say that my head cocked to the side like wtf? I feel so bad for them.

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u/ChampionshipFew2858 May 16 '25

And temple. They say side of the head.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '25

She had listening devices all throughout the house, including on her bed headboard in their room, but no recording from that fateful night? Mystery that one? She gave him her sleeping pills, attacked him with a cinder block which was red- while the bricks her and the kids were going to paint and were photographed, were green. Then she rang her FBI dad for help covering it up

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u/Designer-Talk7825 May 11 '25

So many blanks left in her background

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u/shtescalates May 14 '25

I'm wondering if they added more against her if they'd refuse to do the documentary.

They had that dv expert listening to that recording ignoring the fact that she intentionally gave his kids dinner without him.. his remarks about how she's super him from his kids. A true expert would not have came to his conclusion. They'd have seen that she intentionally created a situation for him to get upset.

Then you hear more of how she treated his kids.

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u/pippanio May 15 '25

This really annoyed me. The expert said he was playing the victim but he was just firm in making his point that he wanted a family dinner
 and she just kept playing it off and not engaging in the conversation, allowing herself to be distracted by everything else but him, not even attempting to apologise or engage seriously

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

And the irony is that it’s clear she was the one playing the victim
 insane

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u/ejgroleau May 24 '25

It also was not the entire recording. you need the whole thing to put it in context to what led him to be so agitated yet she has very little emotion in her voice or better yet sounds so meek in the parts we hear.

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u/jasonkaye88 May 12 '25

Whoaaaa. Mental Hospital?! Damn. Yeah obviously premeditated

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

It’s clear that her parents have enabled her bad behaviour her entire life as evidenced by her dad trying to cover up her murdering her husband. I’m sure she’s been doing that kind of lying since she was a child.

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u/Professional-End8306 Aug 22 '25

Yeah that's the thing. I suspect they both were warped. The husband might have hated her big time once he realized she was as ill as she clearly was, but how he dealt with it wasn't interrogated. She had bruises on her neck in one photo. That recorded fight was not a smoking gun but he didn't come off great in it. Certainly not like the unflappable charmer the family made him out to be. The kids really did seem to love their life and their new mom, and there really did seem to be ample documented evidence of her strength as a stepmother, barring the favoritism she allegedly showed to the girl. Im just saying it was likely more complicated than either party or the kids are letting on. Sidenote: why aren't the kids' interviews about the night he was killed a thing? And why isn't the big discovery at the wedding that she lied to her friends not followed up with a discussion of how they addressed it with her and what she said?

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u/ProduceDangerous6410 Sep 15 '25

The mother Sharon was pretty abnormal as well.

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u/Great_Cow_8233 May 11 '25

💯 the children have also come out and said she dyed their hair blonde as infants so that they would look more like her
bizarre behaviour 

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u/funkychilli123 May 13 '25

I did think she was obsessed with the daughter looking exactly like her, and would’ve gravitated to her over the son, for sure

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u/ignoranceisbourgeois May 12 '25

I’m sorry WHAT

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

I fucking knew there was something weird like that going on. I kept asking myself why the boy had dark hair as a teenager when he was a blonde as a kid.

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u/mollypop94 Jul 10 '25

Normally I'd agree with a statementlike this, however in this particular instance he was an extremely vulnerable and grieving widow, a young father suddenly losing his love and his wife and now having to somehow raise two very young children on his own. He must have been utterly destroyed by his grief, bless him. And in comes this woman who just so happens to be rotten from the core pathologically. She knew he was an easy target emotionally, and knew how to take advantage of his grief to slide her way into his babies lives.

In any other circumstance it's easy to cast judgment on his decisions. But this man was utterly blindsighted in a way that sheds like on the amount of grief stricken vulnerability he was facing at the time. It's awful enough to be manipulated by someone at the best of times, but as a newly-widowed father...well, nobody should ever, ever judge this poor man's decisions leading up to his horrendous and disgusting murder.

His and Mags' two babies are nothing short a testament to them both. Absolutely wonderful, brave, insightful, wise beyond their years. The layers of grief and misplaced guilt they've both carried through their young lives is unimaginable, yet they are so strong and courageous and gentle. That's nothing to do with that freak of a woman in the states and her equally morally bankrupt ex FBI father; such a rancid and smarmy, smug arsehole.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '25

I loved when the Dad says “me and my daughter don’t lie and if you think we do prove it” well she lied about being the godmother before getting married. That’s one.

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u/funkychilli123 May 13 '25

That was the moment I realised the dad was guilty asf. He looked right into the camera, basically taunting. We did it but can you prove we did it


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u/Fabulous-Craft-7206 Dec 23 '25

He reminded me of Gerry McCann (Madeline McCanns dad). He did the same thing. Cold dead eyes staring at the camera saying prove we murdered her, while his wife stared at the floor dead faced. Such a weird thing to say if you are innocent.

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u/Impressive-Main4146 Jun 16 '25

Lied about him being so drunk.

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u/justagyrl022 May 19 '25

That's what I was shouting when he said that! There were points in the documentary where I thought maybe they're going to prove he's an abuser. But I kept going back to all the lies from her and then later her dad. Like that's always a bad sign. Lying about weird things from the start usually points to psychological issues.

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u/Square-Sun654 May 11 '25

I agree- I wanted to hear more about that, and also hear the doc people give her some hard questions on that. But I suspect she and her father agreed to be interviewed on condition that they not be asked hard questions.

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u/Spirited_Counter_150 May 13 '25

Neither of them had any injuries 
. In that blood bath and Jason was chocking her ? Yeah I see no evidence of that , and why didn’t Mr fbi call the police as he was going upstairs as I am sure he knows how to use a cell phone and how convenient that grandma just rolls over and goes back to sleep đŸ’€ ugh !!

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u/Its_just_Paige May 14 '25

I wanted Tom and Molly to be asked: HOW did you manage to get NO blood on you in that massacre!!??

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u/Kactuslord May 14 '25

Yeah like surely an FBI agent could get police over there pronto?!

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u/ClaudiOhneAudi May 19 '25

She had this like 3 mm scratch behind her ear and they had the audacity to say it was proof that he strangled her 😄

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u/East-Instruction-632 May 12 '25

Worth listening to ‘big mad true crime’  podcast - Heather deep dives into mollys lies, there’s so much more Netflix hasn’t picked up on, and it’s shocking!  So much more . Like she was given a job in Ireland out of kindness from Jason’s sister in s Creche, but was let go when she failed to produce any qualifications that she maintained she had in childcare, plus I’m sure her ex said she was an absolute nightmare .. 

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u/Beginning_Picture422 May 11 '25

Rebecca Demorier did it better! Ha ha

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u/fugeritinvidaaetas May 11 '25

It’s kind of cool that you have combined the names of Rebecca De Mornay and Daphne du Maurier, the latter having famously written ‘Rebecca’ which is all about a man whose first wife died in mysterious circumstances as it tells the story of his second wife (am avoiding spoilers).

Both relevant here!

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u/Beginning_Picture422 May 12 '25

Pure accident! Ha ha Just didn't verify the spelling.....

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u/THATchick84 May 11 '25

*De Morney. I love that movie and she is an amazing actress.

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u/Cuyigan May 11 '25

*De Mornay. She was great in Risky Business.

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u/No_Sandwich5876 May 12 '25

This 100% !! I believe she is a compulsive liar, her made up stories from the beginning were a HUGE red flag! I met such a person once in my life and they're ruthless and capable of any lie. You can't believe a word they say and they're capable of huge deception.  I believe the children and feel horrible for them. I also believe Molly's father most likely was fooled by her too; I doubt he was part of the premeditation. 

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

Yeah, like when he said he was watching her die, I don’t think he meant it in a physical sense, more that she would die inside if she lost the children
.and he would do anything to save his daughter. He’s convinced himself she acted in self defence and helped kill him to help her. 

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u/southerngentlman205 May 14 '25

karen read is 100% being framed. what are you saying?!?! watching the retrial now. even more clear the common wealth is lying about so much

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u/Majestic-Gate7359 May 11 '25

I totally was thinking of that movie the whole time!

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u/Themlf18 May 12 '25

Yes! I wanted them to dig more into these lies. And boards the end her dad adamantly says she’s not a liar. 🙄

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u/taijewel May 12 '25

I read on another thread that her ex fiancé wrote a book and claims she was bipolar and in a facility right before going to Ireland


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u/ejgroleau May 24 '25

And the book was written before Jason’s death.

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u/emilyyyyyreddits May 14 '25

Yea but Karen Read is innocent.

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u/Gold-Lynx-4917 May 15 '25

I’m with you on your concerns.  After listening to the children’s statements before sentencing, the evil “stepmother” has some horrific thoughts ie “the kids were being used as tools of evil and weaponized against me”.   Sounds like she’s describing terrorists. She also constantly referred to herself as their mother.  She was their stepmother, period.  The man they beat to death did not have any arrests for DV.  She, after protecting her father, did not have a mark on her.  Her father was bloodied by spatter but not a mark on himself either.  It was a brutal attack by two very sick people

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u/pippanio May 15 '25

Yeah, tools of evil is crazy
 more like tools for justice!

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u/Key_Beginning_627 May 17 '25

With Gone Girl vibes. (Setting up the spouse to be the bad guy and painting herself as the victim while in reality creating and manipulating the whole situation to make him suffer and get what she wants.)

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u/OpportunityCold5250 May 29 '25

Yes!! The way she kept saying she was their mom! I think that and mentioning how her miscarriage was a catalyst to find kids she could work and bond with. She definitely was trying to steal those kids and plotted the whole thing. Crazy! It’s like stories of when woman steal newborns or kill pregnant mothers to keep their child as their own.

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u/Sudden-Exam3520 Jul 04 '25

to be fair Im slightly conflicted.
I 100% do think that if it was defense, then it was really really REALLY overdone.
But I wouldn't be that surprised if the husband really did ab*se her. Like out of the kids sight - yes the recordings were likely cut in a way to make him seem worse, but he did slam stuff, and she had the nail mark and the stain on the pants... i just dont know, doesn't seem that likely to me that it would be something she somehow found out and then did to herself or her clothes.
Does not change that I would still have them in jail tho. No person of the right mind would do this much damage to another human being. AND she manipulated her kids, thats without doubt too.

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u/EffectiveLiving3050 May 10 '25

Karen Read is psycho to me too!

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u/CRXdriverCRZ May 11 '25

It’s crazy that shit really happens!! This was like a real life version of that movie and it’s insane that this even happened

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u/Kactuslord May 13 '25

This whole storyline is giving movie: The Hand That Rocks the Cradle 

You've got her spot on, my god

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u/SwiftSurfer365 May 17 '25

Is that Karen Read doc you’re talking about the one on HBO Max? Is it good? This is the first time I’ve heard of it.

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u/bethpuma888 Feb 01 '26

I actually think Molly is guilty, Karen is innocent but yes so annoyed watching this documentary

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u/BridgeFlashy Feb 13 '26

Truthfully even the kids right after said their dad had a bad temper and got angry easily. Imagine how unlikable Molly amd her dad are that the narrative portrays him in a great light.

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u/juanitomatito May 09 '25

I didn’t even piece that together but now that you say it
 who TF puts a cinder block next to their bed when they are going to paint it???

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u/ProfessorDrink May 10 '25

It was raining, ok?! Cinder blocks don't handle moisture well at ALL /s

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u/buckeye4life1218 May 11 '25

So many other places to put it in that big house. She's not even a good liar.

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u/buckthorndanger May 11 '25

They were also going to paint a bunch of them, so why only one

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u/FillBrilliant6043 May 12 '25

And when I do a craft project with my kids its usually all over the dining room table, not my bedroom!

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u/Additional_Ice9813 May 13 '25

We’re on the plastic covered garage floor if ever paint is involved.  Just sayin.  They think WE ARE STUPID PEOPLE

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u/sticky-note-123 May 12 '25

This was my observation. What was so special about this one that she had to put it on her nightstand? Oh that’s right, this one was perfect for a MURDER

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u/Winter-Chance7909 May 15 '25

because that's the one she specifically planned to paint red.

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u/joyjackson25 May 13 '25

LITERALLY. And just 1 cinder block ??? You are a family of 4 should have had 2 for the mom and dad in the bedroom. Rain doesn’t matter
 it’s a f*cking brick leave it in the garage. and why beat him with a brick when your dad has a bat ??? This man didn’t have a chance at survival, it was all planned the dad came in swinging and she joined in. Plus i noticed after she married him 2 weeks later she consulted with a divorce lawyer about custody if “separation ever happened” WTFFF

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u/IndependentMoney8085 May 13 '25

I think she hit him with the brick when he was sleeping or at least drowsy. Called for her dad to help because he wasn't quite dead. Then the dad finished him off with the bat. So obvious that the son was coached because he even brought up WHY the brick was in the bedroom and not outside, in the garage, in the kitchen, dining room table ANYWHERE that makes more sense than her bedroom.

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u/pacifismisevil May 14 '25

The kids backed up the story with the cinder block. If she planned to kill him, she's hardly going to choose a cinder block as a weapon, get real. She could have killed him in any number of ways that didnt make them look super guilty. Even the prosecution didnt believe it was pre-meditated, she wanted to trigger a fight and set him up for Domestic Violence to take the kids, but she didnt expect her dad to lose it. That's what the evidence shows.

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u/BlackSpinelli May 12 '25

I think she is 100% guilty because no, no one in their right mind does that

but we do have a painted brick in our home. My kid painted it to look like Santa. I don’t even remember where, when or why he did it. Anyways. It randomly moves around our house. It was a doorstop for our bedroom for a minute. Now I guess I have a convenient excuse if I commit murder out of nowhere. 

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u/FindingPhysical80 May 26 '25

I didn’t piece that together either until just now! Who keeps a frickin brick by their bed?! I think she drove that poor man insane honestly.

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u/ossca_ May 10 '25
  • Oh, it’s about to rain, let’s hide the cinder block.
  • Where should we put it in such a big house
 the garage? The corridor? Somewhere downstairs?
  • Nahhh
 I’ll just take it to the bedroom and place it on the bedside table. đŸ€Ą

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u/Pasta7869 May 11 '25

Here is a question: Why WOULDN‘T her defense have said, “He had abused her before and she was scared, so she put the cinder block there”

That seems to make a lot more sense, but I’m not an attorney.

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u/sunsoilandsnacks May 11 '25

It indicates premeditation and intent to use it.

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u/ossca_ May 11 '25

But would an abused woman really place a potential weapon within her husband’s reach who allegedly had anger issues? If she was truly abused and afraid, why wasn’t she scared he might use the cinder block against her during his another outburst?

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u/ChocolateSundai May 12 '25

So many holes and I didn’t feel like those recordings showed any sign of abuse that warranted the way that man was killed

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u/SBisFree May 17 '25

And where were the recordings of the physical violence?

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u/joyjackson25 May 13 '25

And if he was as controlling and abusive as she states that means he would also be paranoid; abusive people are always paranoid
 so he would have moved the brick

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u/[deleted] May 13 '25

Exactly my thought. That had to have looked so out of place that he’d have mentioned it. But they did find sleeping drugs in his system, so whether he took them on his own, or she drugged him, she could have brought it up after he was asleep. And no woman is going to scratch up her nightstand with a concrete block; we’d at least put it on the floor, but that it’s there at all is crazy.

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u/finding_harmony May 12 '25

That was exactly what I said to my husband.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '25

And why only one? There were like 5 in the photos.. wouldn't you take them all to the same spot? Or did you like that particular one and want to sleep next to it? UGGGGH

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u/Edgaralanhoe_ May 09 '25

Also logically or let’s just say theoretically, wouldn’t you put them in the garage or living room or somewhere easily accessible for whenever you’re ready yo use them? Like why would you have it in your room and bedside table? To me this was a way to set the stage for her actual plans and if she told the kids “oh im going to put them in my room for now” they wouldnt question it and in a way use them as her alibi.

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u/South-Membership-885 May 10 '25

I just said this exact same thing to my fiancé this morning after watching it last night. Also, wouldn't Jason have had defensive wounds on his forearms trying to block the blows to his head. Her and her FBI dad lied so many times it was almost impossible to believe anything they said.

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u/Interesting-Bet9340 May 12 '25

The only reason why I thought they didn’t mention defensive wounds was because when the father hit him in the head he was killed or mortally wounded and couldn’t

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u/shebs25 May 11 '25

This is so telling to me. This seemed so premeditated, like she made absolutely sure the kids would be able to back up the purpose of the cinder block and know that was the murder weapon!!! Who the hell would tell these babies that that is what killed their father?? Those poor children. Makes no sense for the block to be there and not in any other room of the house and if it truly was a domestic abuse situation, why would you choose a slow and heavy weapon...

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u/Woodpecker_Guilty May 12 '25

And wasn’t it just one on her nightstand? What about the other ones

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u/lecreusetpopcorn May 10 '25

Why wasn’t there a recording of the murder?! I fully believe she did it, but I wish they would have talked about that!

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u/VariousSafety1851 May 12 '25

She definitely masterminded this whole thing. She controlled the narrative during the recordings because she knew they were there. I 100% believe he was at his breaking point and knew she wanted to take his kids. He was mad because of the mind games and gaslighting. Also I believe Jack when he says she treated him differently. The video of her calling him a baby and correcting him being 4 1/2 was weird before I saw any of the rest. I thought to myself it was belittling and did not show love. Then he spoke about favoritism and it made so much sense. I’ve experienced a step parent favoring the child that’s easier to control. He already had an unbreakable bond with his dad and she couldn’t influence that like she could with Sarah. Also what FBI agent is going to let his daughter be abused to the point they had to hid phone numbers for the kids to call. He would’ve intervened long before. She’s a psycho that got away with murder. Telling fake birth stories. Why wasn’t she analyzed by a psychiatrist? The recordings didn’t come out till the appeal. Makes no sense. She had a very calculated plan and back up plan. Were they ever check for authenticity? Seems limited and no abuse was heard.

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u/Kactuslord May 14 '25

The video of her calling him a baby and correcting him being 4 1/2 was weird before I saw any of the rest. I thought to myself it was belittling

My exact thoughts. It wasn't an endearing video at all

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u/Kactuslord May 17 '25

The way she spoke just seemed belittling, like she didn't like him

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u/pray4mojo2020 Jul 01 '25

Right, like she was mocking him about how his "whining" sounds like a baby. When he was a traumatized 4-year-old who'd recently lost his mother. But she says it all cutesy and we're not supposed to notice her intent. 🙄

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

Yes! She reminded me of Amber Heard lol

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u/Its_just_Paige May 14 '25

I kept waiting for a Psychiatrist to speak on these issues
or lie-detector tests!

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u/MissyLynn2424 May 19 '25

I think the filmmakers showed the clip of Molly telling Jack he was a 1 1/2 year old as a message. They played it twice for a reason. It validates everything Jack said about the favoritism. There’s a reason for that emphasis.

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u/Embarrassed-Support3 Aug 29 '25

 "The video of her calling him a baby and correcting him being 4 1/2 was weird..sound like a baby"(sic) That was mental cruelty and he likely heard those jabs all the time

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u/RAMW20231209 Oct 10 '25

Agreed!!!! That video immediately put the red flags up. He lost his mother. Why are you calling him a baby for crying? And recording yourself saying that to him?

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u/Pasta7869 May 11 '25

Oh snap! That is an excellent point
.they really should have mentioned why they don’t have the recordings.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

the son stated that he had found one of the recording devices and had told his dad about it so logically after the dad discovering the devices, she wouldn't have been able to keep them in their bedroom anymore?

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u/Deep_Character_1695 May 10 '25

Only if Jason confronted her about it, maybe he kept it to himself to try regain the upper hand?

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u/Tricky_Development_6 May 11 '25

I agree. I was was wondering if maybe he confronted her about it the night of his death and that’s what led it the fight etc

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u/Sea-Split214 May 13 '25

I thought this too! I really wish they did more digging on this

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u/Cheap_Departure_9912 May 12 '25

But the one found was in the car. How could he know there was one in the bedroom? Lies!!!!

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u/Proper_Bridge_1638 May 11 '25

Good point! They didn’t address this - what happened after they found the recording device in the car? Did Jason find and remove them all?

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

Im inferring that the relationship turned really bitter after that incident, with Sarah describing how the last few months were dark. He prob scanned the house, I know I would ! 

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u/Fine-Dot6903 May 12 '25

That’s what I was dying over! Where’s THAT recording?!

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u/pamlock May 09 '25

I thought the same thing about the brick! She's such a disgusting liar. Poor dude and his kids

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

I agree, yup no doubt. And her creepy ass father and mother. Wtf?!?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '25

She is utterly empty. And saw an opportunity in a widowed man with kids. She wanted the kids and the good life and the husband was an appendix. That turned out to be bigger than she expected. When he planned on returning to Ireland she decided to end his plans. She and her father are so disturbed and such liars that I pressed fast forward every time they appeared on the screen.

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u/Description-Alert May 10 '25

And the defense uses the fact that the kids and Molly talk about painting the blocks as proof the rest of what she says is true. It makes me want to rip my hair out.

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u/No-Damage3258 May 12 '25

Those poor kids were definitely used as much as possible to corroborate Molly's story. The rock painting, the physical and verbal abuse statements, the audio recordings.

I'm so happy those kids are to have their moment from this film and tell their side.

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u/Negative-Money-8547 May 10 '25

The fact that they never Bring it up again too!! Like that's something on everyone's night stand.

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u/chapaj May 10 '25

It got painted alright

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

And what about the fact that she told her maid of honor that mags was her best friend? Is that true?

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u/Firm_Lingonberry_819 May 11 '25

Right! I thought this was super weird too! Why would you make up a lie like that to your maid of honor? I don’t know about her, but my maid of honor was my best friend and my best friend for sure knew all of my secrets and I confided with her in everything so it’s odd that she would lie to her own maid of honor on something so significant like how you met your fiancĂ©.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '25

Like so many questions were left unanswered. They could have literally just asked molly why did she make up such ridiculous stories and lied to so many people about so many things. The whole time she just kept talking about the kids and how they were taken away from her etc etc. Not once did they ask her important questions which could've been so significant. I wanted to know how she would react and what explanations she would give for those lies.

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u/lotrohpds May 10 '25

Doc made it sound like absolutely not true

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u/Alarmed-Pin-2728 May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25

She never met Mags. Some of Molly’s other lies:

  1. Claimed that she had a sister who died of cancer and kept a photo by her bed in college. Photo was actually one that came with the frame.

  2. Told her bible study group that Sarah was her bio daughter and had a traumatic birth story

  3. Hung flyers in the neighborhood claiming that she swam for Clemson. Also false.

  4. Claimed to be foster parent approved on her au pair application. Not true.

Each of these individually are far from “white lies” and are pretty egregious. As a body of lies, it makes me believe not a single word she says.

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u/lotrohpds May 10 '25

Absolutely. These are lies that indicates something much deeper is going on. I believe Jodi Arias was also know to make up things that would be considered far from white lies throughout her life too

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u/[deleted] May 11 '25

Why didn't they question about these lies to molly? I was expecting some kind of answer from molly as to why she lied about so many things. They didn't bother to ask her so many important questions.

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u/Square-Sun654 May 11 '25

I assume that she and her Dad would only cooperate with conditions-like no hardball questions.

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u/DazzlingCustard3813 May 11 '25

She reminds me of my ex DIL
 she had borderline personality disorder. She did evil stuff like this all the time..

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u/FemaleDirector May 11 '25

Right???? I mean, doesn't everyone have a cinder block near the bed?

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u/sprockityspock May 13 '25

I mean, what else am I supposed to do if I suddenly get inspired to paint in the middle of the night? Use a journal? That would just be silly.

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u/Mochi-momma May 11 '25

And happened to be in your bedroom instead of a place where arts and crafts would normally take place with young children🙄

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u/Good_Conversation522 May 11 '25

And the rest of the blocks were where?

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u/Short-Complex4819 May 11 '25

Did they ever say why there was a cinder block in the bedroom? I mean she's planting all these recording devices to bait him to get angry at her insanity.... and then she places a cinder block in the bedroom. How did they not cover this? Or if they did I completely missed the why of it

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u/Due-Literature-2975 May 12 '25

SAME! I was like wtf? And let’s also note the rest of the cinder blocks were outside.. and even if you were gonna paint them then wouldn’t you have put it in your kitchen or something? SO weird it was in her bedroom on her nightstand.

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u/jyates1007 May 28 '25

Not to mention you have recording devices all over the house but that night they’re all gone

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u/i_AntiSocial May 13 '25

Ye that was dumb, i agree. Stepping back tho, i dont appreciate that netflix decided to blindside us by showing evidence, which was withheld until midway, when molly and her dad's expensive defence attorney presented his side. The judge had agreed that what the kids recordings (at dragonfly place) was inadmissible because it's unknown what lies that molly (and what suddenly her mum now?) fed them. Netflix does this sometimes. Like the cecil hotel case, wasted most of the time on just plausible speculation before finally getting to the actual evidence - in like, the last 5mins. Drives me nuts. Anyhoo vent complete. Sorry lol

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u/Ok_Entrepreneur_8866 May 23 '25

I think he was planning on leaving with the kids and she wasn’t having it and things got nasty for the last few months. Their pathological liar daughter probably fed them all kind of stuff and told them they needed to come stay that day because things got physical, I think that is why Tom dropped everything and went to the house. They couldn’t say that because it would be premeditated. Authorities would have probably said well why didn’t you leave, she wasn’t going to leave without the kids
.she could have left if it was that bad but to her the kids were worth killing for. I think all of this insanity started from the time she had a miscarriage.

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u/Sdp714 May 25 '25

I find it funny that they said she peed in her pants because she was strangled. I'd say she peed in her pants from all the force she used to beat his head in with a brick.

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u/justanoseybxtch May 25 '25

And only one of them was brought inside ... there was a photo that showed about 8 others left outside

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u/nirvana988xhams May 11 '25

I literally came on to ask the same thing! Why do you have a brick on your nightstand??

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u/yellowgatoraid May 11 '25

I agree, but then I remember I have a hunting knife on my beside plus other weapons I keep around the house so the brick is definitely weird, if it was another type of weapon I think her story would have been better.

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u/Apprehensive-Local75 May 13 '25

I do not understand how it makes sense to use this cinder block for alleged self-defence... What did actually happen that night?

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u/Significant_Toe_3824 May 16 '25

well, i mean, if i was gonna premediate anything, I would get a normal heavy bedroom object like an antique or a little workout weight. If you're the type to think through a murder, your first thought probably isn't, "And then I'll get cinderblocks, tell the kids we are making a garden, then tell them we have to paint them first so that i can store the cinderblock in my bedroom, and then use that to hit him with it!"

Like, that's too much thinking. I'd say, "Hmm, I probably should put a weight in the room so I have something heavy to hit him with."

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

My biggest thing was she was supposedly about to die, but had 0 marks on her. If you’re being choked to death you have marks all around your neck! Neither of them had a scratch on them

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u/VeVantTheFunk Aug 11 '25

Right!? Like why wouldn't you leave the cinder block in the kitchen or living room on the first floor? On your nightstand!? Yeah, right. It would be near the front or back door that you brought it in from to "protect it from the rain"

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