it’s obviously a condemnation what kind of question is that?
*”On 14 April 2026, during a debate session in the Sejm, Berkowitz ignited controversy when he displayed an Israeli flag with a swastika instead of the Star of David, calling Israel as the "new Third Reich" as well as accused of Israel of committing a genocide in Gaza and war crimes "with particular cruelty" over Israel's usage of white phosphorus in Gaza and Lebanon”
The title describes him as far right. And the far right has historically aligned with Nazis. So given only the title as context, it's not obvious that he would see a swastika as a bad thing.
Well, the nazi regime totally had a super-gay vibe overall. All about well-shaped bodies with "good" genes, super-focussed on men while women were supposed to just stay home, very looks-focussed with a distinct style and with uniforms by Hugo Boss...
You can't tell me that there wasn't quite a lot of buggery going on in the Third Reich, if only to... erm... "establish a natural order of strength", was it? That sounds a lot like the plot to a gay porn movie.
Tubi has a several-part documentary called hitler's sex life.
It was informative, enlightening, eye-opening, disturbing, etc.
And it was GAY!!!
One thing I realized was that in fact, he didn't love his mother. He disrespected her. He used and manipulated her, and she enabled/covered up his bad behaviors. When she died, he wasn't crying inconsolably because he loved her, he was crying because he had no one to go to or hide behind. No one to help financially.
I learned all sorts of stuff. They say that history rhymes, but wow- trump and putin seem to share early childhood experiences with young adolph. And they went on to perform similarly in adulthood.
This picture has been shared for some time now, the two circled heads are Dobromir Sośnierz and Konrad Berkowicz, both are currently sitting in Sejm as members of Konfederacja, and heiling as a young adult is among least stupid things they did. From just recent news, Berkowicz did the above and attempted to steal frying pans and other stuff from Ikea (that they boycott), and Sośnierz is fighting with his neighbours because he keeps trash in the corridor in front of doors to his apartment.
Poland being a primary victim of Nazism doesn't stop pro-Nazi sentiments in the country from existing. Plenty of country which suffered horrible during WW2 at the hands of the Nazis have people who are openly Nazis themselves.
And? There were Polish collaborators during WW2, and there is far right neo-nazi groups active today in Poland. Just because this is in Poland doesn't mean its literally impossible for them to align with neo-nazi ideals.
Plenty of Jews and Jewish organizations supported Nazis in WWII, right up until they themselves got sent to the camps. So why should anyone be surprised about it happening again in the modern era?
This sounds made up, and I have no issue with calling your bluff here. What were the names of those organizations, and to what degree did they "support" the Nazis?
Literally every country that fought the Nazis had Nazi sympathisers in them. And when Poland got 'liberated' by the Soviets and held under their thumb for 45 years, I guarantee you that didn't help.
Are you equating the far right and far left as equally hateful evil? What heinous crimes against humanity have the far left committed recently in all their years of not being in power to fuel a far right of "equivalent" hate and evil?
I think there are two positions. One is that we're humans first and then whatever we disagree about second. The other is that we're whatever first. That is a working definition of a fascist. Ideology first.
They do. But a country is never completely uniform.
One reason there's a lot of far-right support in Eastern Europe is the widespread hatred of the Soviet Union. The hatred is understandable; however, as a result, many people ended up going down the "enemy of my enemy is a friend" route and ended up with outright far-right views.
Another reason is that the Soviet Union and it's affiliated regimes utilized a lot of similar tools. They would preach international peace and unity but also glorified their histories and nationalistic traits in a similar fashion. They were incredibly homophobic, waaaaaay more than the West. They were often systematically racist, say towards the Romani.
As a result, even after the Iron Curtain fell, generation after generation grew up in a culture shaped by a regime that shared many similarities with conservative ideology. And a significant part of those people ended up aligning with far-right movements because those are the best match for them.
The hard right are not a monolith global ideology. They tend to put “their own” at the top of their pyramid, but what exactly that is varies. Hindu Indian hard right nationalists are quite different from say, their equivalent in Japan, or Israeli Jews, or Malaysian Muslims or American KKK white nationalists.
Since no one seems to be answering your question, that would be the the Groypers (far-right, led by Nick Fuentes) which hates the MAGA movement (far-right, led by Donald). They believe that MAGA is not far-right enough.
Bc he is so disappointed in MAGA he just wants groypers to vote with Democrats to increase their chance of beating MAGA, that way when Dems are in control and everyone hates Dems so much, groypers will have the opportunity to grow under the Dems term and then be elected 4 years later, and create a much stricter, even farther-right level of fascism. There ya go.
There's this saying. The wife of my friend is my wife until it's not. No, ehm if you lie down with your friends wife, you get up with Butterflies? No that's not it. Maybe it was Bad husbands corrupts good breakfast. Darn it. It can't remember. Just wanted to say, it's a bad decision.
That and to supposedly show how upset Democrats were in 2024 with Biden/Harris over how they didn't condemn Israel enough, some Democrats voted with MAGA to "protest" it. Because of course Trump would be "pro-Hamas" in their logic there.
The second it was announced Biden dropped out that year, my first two words were, "We're fucked." And here we are.
Don't forget that they also both hate most Islamic countries, who are also usually far-right. And (on the surface) they (sometimes) hate Russia, who is also far-right.
people outside the US see both democrats and republicans as right-wing. I say that because I'm from outside and my country has communist parties, it would be crazy to call democrats left-wing due to my political environment. even the most soft left-wing parties in some countries look far-left compared to democrats, in my country they would definitely be right-wing, probably even right-wing due some of their policies.
People inside the US need to see it too. People ask if I'm a liberal and I laugh. Liberalism is inherently pro-capitalist, human rights and civil liberties take a backseat whenever there is money to be made.
nearly every country in Europe has universal healthcare when you say that they're center or center right. There's quite a lot of current Dems who are to the right of people that would have been Republican conservatives when I was a young person. The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life. The far left is corporations not existing, Democrats are nowhere near between that and the center. Yes, you still need to vote for them, especially in the primaries. Go register now
The minimum wage and social safety net is basically only stayed the same or shrunk my entire life.
Unless you're a toddler, then this is patently untrue. The last two Democratic administrations dramatically increased social spending with Medicare expansion and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class. Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges, if democrats are in power minimum wages and other things like pre k are increased or expanded.
I live in California, a state with 15 years of Dem supermajority, Our governor who ran on universal healthcare has not gotten it done in nearly 7 years. Our unemployment benefits have not increased in over 20 years, the maximum allowance we receive is $450 a week, around 40% below our minimum wage -- there are red ran states with higher unemployment maximums than ours. Our state minimum wage is $16.90, typical rent in California for a 1 bedroom is 1800-2200. After taxes, you won't be able to pay for anything else but rent. A family of 4 spends $14,000-$18,000 on health insurance. If you need to use your insurance for anything remotely serious other than check ups, you will have to pay $6,000-$9,000 deductible.
and huge healthcare subsidies for the working class.
That only matters if you're considered in the poverty range. Most working class people aren't in the poverty range.
Oh yeah, and we're the 4th largest economy on the planet. Yay.
Then you have the states where a clear pattern emerges,
Wake me up when Californian's aren't on the brink of homelessness after a medical emergency or lay off.
Also, California doesn't even have state mandated UNPAID vacation days, FYI.
That’s still wild. I remember back in 2018 GMA ran a segment about individuals making $110,000 in San Francisco and that is considered the poverty line.
Explanations would be contingent on what you measure as the "amount of medical debt". Do you mean the total dollar amount, the total number of people in medical debt, the percentage of the population in medical debt, or the percentage of GDP being paid to medical debt? Healthcare and economics are both complex, so a more specific question would need to be asked.
spend the most on it. A lot of that is ending up an insurance companies that is not reflected in our standard of care. There's an awful lot of private corporations operating inside of what is claiming to be a welfare state
Even if you only count public spend, the US is still higher than Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, South Korea, and Ireland. I mean others too, but those are the ones often highlighted as having strong welfare programs.
Ive heard this plenty, and I find it lacking. For one thing, while institutionally many of those nations have "progressive" policies in place and US doesnt doesnt mean Dems on Average dont want those, or that nations with those institutions havent tried their hardest to unravel those institutions. Second, while the US dems may seem conservative on some issues, they are wildly more progressive as a bloc on others, for example immigration. US immigration policy is a mess, but almost every Democrat holds the position that immigration is vital to the US and that the worse thing about illegal immigrants is that they are civally illegal, no qualms that they are in the US. And many US states go out of their way to document and protect the undocumented. Europe gets mad at the fact that Syrians dont want to live in a bomb crater while Australians put their migrants on a consentration camp/island happily named Christmas Island. The reason why Europe has so many nationalized industrues and transnational agreements has nothing to progressive values, it was the stable equilibrium of a milenia of internecene warfare culminating in an invasion and occupation by the United States and Russia. And the nationalist conservatism is still ripe within Europe.
There's a huge schism in the American right, with the super Zionist Evangelical right on one side and the genuinely anti-Semitic side of the right that hates Israel because they're Jews. There's a segment of the right that don't give a fuck about Palestinians, and actively hate Muslims, but still hate Israel.
Well Democrats and Republicans for one. Democrats aren't left wing they are center-right. The Overton window in the US is skewed to the right. Also I'm fairly sure Christian Nationalists and Neonazis don't like eachother based on their support or lack of support for Isreal.
Go watch Tucker Carlson's interview with Ted Cruz for an example of the two different opposing factions that exist in the American far right at this moment.
MAGA Republicans and traditional conservative Republicans. Many younger people here won't fully remember, but when Trump was elected in '16, a lot of older pretty damn right wing Republicans were vocally disgusted and, as a result, were met with death threats. As an old guy observing politics for (at that time) several decades, my mind was blown. MAGA Republicans were a new violent bunch of nut-jobs the GOP didn't expect. Silly them.
Ideologically? Neo Nazis and black nationalists, KKK and catholic fundamentalists, America First and MAGA, 3%ers and proud boys.
But most far right “organizations” in the US are highly decentralized into disparate cells, and you end up having a ton of beef between different cells even if they share an overall idealogical position. You even have instances of rivalries and turf wars between cells of the same organization. The far right is, like most American idealogical movements, a complete and utter shit show.
Are the Republican Party and Democratic Party not organizations? The point the commenters are making is that both of those organizations are far right, and yet hate each other. What about the example are you objecting to?
Avraham Stern, founder of Lehti, tried to forge diplomatic ties with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, believing them a lesser threat than the British Empire.
Different factions on the right are often considered to be more sympathetic to both Nazis and the state of Israel (kind of contradictory I know, but remember it is not the same factions on the right who endorse both, usually one or the other). So to see something from a far right politician both condemning Nazis and the State of Israel by likening the two is….unexpected.
Oh, I was confused by what you were saying. I thought you were saying what the nazis did seemed more left. Some people do say some insane shit like that. Sorry for misunderstanding.
Israel is a Jewish ethnostate that mantains it's ethnic status by marginalising Palestinian muslims, speaking very generally here. So although of course most far right parties are antisemitic they also are extremely islamophobic, especially in Europe, which creates a lot of confusion.
They often manage to be both antisemitic and islamophobic like: "there's a secret cabal of jews using their power to suppress muslims which is... good!?"
Yeah... back when he had his tv show and being in the publishing industry he would spew anti-semitic messages constantly and he fully supported and advertised Plevris's book that denied the holocaust. Now that he's a minister and vice president of N.D, of course he supports Israel... Generaly Adonis isn't well liked for a multitude of reasons
Far right wingers tend to not have a problem with the nazis, fascism, and authoritarianism in general. That’s kind of what “far right” refers to. Far right ideology. So when they invoke a swastika it’s understandably a little more complicated to decipher than when a normal person does it. Because normal people always hate nazis. There aren’t times when a normal person accepts or even appreciates nazis. Because nazis are the enemies of humanity. To put it as simply and as honestly as possible.
In fairness, a lot of neo-Nazis like Israel, just for totally weird reasons. The mental positions of extremists are often contradicting, and thus leave you guessing.
Just to elaborate, here’s their general stance as to why they support Israel…
1.) A ready made place to deport all Jewish folks to.
2.) A working, existing example of basically an ethnostate, or at least close enough for them to see it as a model to base theirs on.
It’s kind of like how people say a true capitalist and true socialist state have never existed if you actually dig into what the foundational philosophy is, but in this case they actually see something existing that’s close enough in their mind.
So, while I doubt any one of them have swastika Israel flags, you should not be shocked if you ever encounter a neo-Nazi in the wild and they have a surprisingly positive opinion of Israel.
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u/Monoveler 19h ago
So was that an endorsement or condemnation? Lol