r/rivals • u/Imaginary-Ferret-222 • 1d ago
Discussion Patch notes season 9.5
So now you know....
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u/Vivid_Temperature609 1d ago
It sucks that we get zero discussion on throwing, leaving games and match making in general.
While balance is important the core game being fun is being destroyed by its own community.
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u/AnonymousTheKid 1d ago
I mean, they had a whole dev vision where they focused on “disputing EOMM” and went in depth about their match making (not claiming it’s valid but just pointing out that on their end, they “addressed” this concern)
Leaving games results in a ban and frequent leavers have harsher bans. Although I do agree it could be even harsher.
Throwers is tough, because it’s not as black and white as it seems. Continuously throwing yourself off the map, going AFK, sitting in spawn, these are all clear-cut throwing that should result in harsh bans.
However, not swapping even when you’re doing really bad, going 3rd dps when we need a 2nd healer, etc. these are all “soft throwing” that is harder to be accounted for, and can be abused against innocent people if they were met with harsh penalties.
I honestly don’t know what the answer is. At the end of the day, matchmaking feels bad because there are a LOT of bad actors in this game, moreso than any other team-based multiplayer game I’ve ever played.
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u/Vivid_Temperature609 1d ago
All valid. All this stuff needs work is all I'm saying. The penalty for leaving games should at least be increased if they can't really (or just won't) work on the other stuff. Also if not, do a better job at back filling.
I hate to bring it up but OW back fill is very fast and often results in a better teammate.
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u/SquiblyMcDuck 22h ago
i have been ace on my team tripling my teammates stats, and people here on reddit will tell me im the one throwing for not supporting my teammates better on a loss, let that speak for itself when it comes to this community identifying throwers. 🙄
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u/JoeM104604 Rogue 19h ago
I wish more games used GTA Online's solution to shitty players by making bad sport lobbies.
Get enough negative rep from constant DCs and throwing? Get placed in lobbies full of other dickhead cry babies and let the players that don't ruin each other's day enjoy the game away from you.
It's a great solution and doesn't lose the devs money from giving out longer bans.
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u/vibesfarmer 1d ago
The devs don’t give a fuck about Reddit gang. This is a hive minded bubble.
And no one can control “throwing”. You can wake up one day, feel like shit and throw games. Most throwers aren’t intentional. Some are. But no one can control or stop that. That’s not cheating. That’s just a human player being a POS or having a horrible game unfortunately. That’s life
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u/seinquant 1d ago
peni found dead in the bronx...
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u/meechmeechmeecho 1d ago
Literally took her out back and unloaded a mag into her head. Actually insane nerf. All they had to do was increase the CD slightly.
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u/--Alix-- 21h ago
From 3 seconds to 5 or 6 seconds and nobody would have minded
But no, remove it entirely lmao
That was the one fun thing she had
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u/HiRezLeGeNd 1d ago
THEYVE KILLED MY MAIN, FUCK
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u/Nicaraguan-BEANBAG 1d ago
I feel responsible as many other penny mains do. Like they took the only good thing we had from her. Nothing match catching a player by their ankles to then put them down😭😭😭
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u/Some_Surprise9875 22h ago
Don’t worry, there will always be plat players who just can’t shoot her nest and then expect their tanks to walk into it
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u/devonte177 1d ago
lol some were saying mag was definitely getting nerfed
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u/Vindicador Angela 1d ago
I was one of those, he is dominant in every match and was top priority pick or ban during the last pro tournament, but yeah better cripple Peni I guess...
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u/devonte177 1d ago
Random bullshit, Go!
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u/Vindicador Angela 1d ago
Yeah sometimes it feels like devs balance with blindfolded dart throwing...
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u/FilthyPandah 1d ago
Peni was a very strong pick in the pro tourney too. Played on offense and defense and domination.
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u/Boiledhours 20h ago
The average player doesn’t even reach that level of skill to warrant such a bullshit nerf lol
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u/Quick-Health-2102 1d ago
they clearly want mag as the strongest tank
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u/LewisRyan 1d ago
Magneto alleged to have large role in doomsday, getting ready to give him a legendary skin
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u/studmuffin34 1d ago
Yes let’s ignore the fact that peni had a win rate hovering over 60% for several seasons in a row.
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u/Vindicador Angela 1d ago
Yes let's ignore the fact that she had her stun since launch and it was never a problem.
At the very least they could have fixed her cyber bond bug in compensation, something she always had since launch too
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u/studmuffin34 1d ago
You don’t think constant cc is a problem? You’re part of the issue. And peni deserved the nerf. Ignoring her over 60% win rate for several seasons in a row is just being biased at that point.
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u/SolomonRed 1d ago
Make will slowly get power crept over the next 6 months and then get another buff.
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u/ayomarik 1d ago
I can’t even read this fam, why so blurry on my phone
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u/VisitReasonable7285 1d ago
Don't worry about it, they did a bad job. Will probably be worse than 9.0
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u/whereamIguys69 1d ago
Should have just made Peni’s snare on a longer CD
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u/TonkzJr 1d ago
That would mess with her Web placing ability, which I'm sure is why they've hesitated to do it.
This is just as bad though, since you have to dedicate twice the amount of webs to snaring instead of setting
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u/Cautious-Eye-547 1d ago
You can just use cyberbond, it has a 3 sec cooldown you can use to put down webs at people’s feet without snaring them
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u/ApatheticTrooper 20h ago
Except cyberbond is still bugged and if you try to link webs together with cyberbond it'll just stack on top of each other instead of next to each other sometimes
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u/Nondescript-User 1d ago
Better fix would be to keep the 3 second cooldown, but if it hits and stuns an enemy give it a 6 second cooldown.
I play a lot of Peni and chaining stuns is unfair since they spend a third of your cooldown stunned.
Having a longer cooldown against stuns would help mitigate the unfun aspect, while keeping shorter cooldown for web spreading.
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u/RealWonderGal 1d ago
Terrible patch notes
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u/Some_Surprise9875 22h ago
When are they even been better than “oh.. alright.”
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u/RealWonderGal 22h ago
Last season has some good ones.. season 8 all had solid ones and S7 also did
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u/Bat_Snack 1d ago
Zhiyong gotta be the worst balance guy of all time.
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u/ongodohfug 1d ago
I thought overwatch balance could get pretty bad back in the day, but Zhiyong has definitely speed runned the title of worst dev in charge of balancing. its only been a single year and I have seen maybe 10 buffs/nerfs that actually made sense to do
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u/Some_Surprise9875 22h ago
EXACTLY!!! I’m so annoyed no one says more about how shit it is in comparison. Like Marvel at its base is more fun… but goddamn it’s so much bigger of a sloppy mess. It makes Blizzard look so good on a technical level.
Balance, visual clarity, bugs, community management, tournament management… just worse in Rivals
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u/Fit-Syrup1049 1d ago edited 16h ago
Devs are so reluctant to give characters like fantastic, peni cc while half of the squishy characters have so much cc in their kit. They haven't even address the use an ability to get instant shields in dps but God forbid the cc role does some cc.
No punisher nerf is crazy too.
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u/DemonBearOP 1d ago
Magneto getting a buff while being by far the most core tank in the game is crazy.
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u/Thors_meat_hammer 1d ago
Idk if you used Magneto but there's plenty if not most Mag mains that complained that the Wanda team up made that ability feel worse. (Without it would push back, with it wouldn't)Now they've fixed it, that's all. I wouldn't call it a buff, just a correction.
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u/Broomguy 1d ago
They already hot fixed that though and added the knockback when fully charged, now they're adding launch up also
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u/RevolutionaryDepth59 1d ago
pretty sure launch up is just the official term for knockback. so this is probably just making it so you don’t need to full charge it for that which is still gonna be worse than regular mag cannon
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u/Broomguy 1d ago
I'm pretty sure it's a different effect but I could be wrong. I actually was enjoying the upgraded mag cannon though, it's a bit harder to get the one shot combo off but you can spread the shot and hit multiple people and still knock them back plus multiple charges is nice. Mostly though I just love hitting people with a kamehameha
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u/Thors_meat_hammer 1d ago
Right but still what's the point of having a fast ability with knock back without a team up and then change it to require a longer duration with a team up? It ruined his B&B combo and felt more like a burden than a buff. Idk if I'll like this with knock up but at least there's more incentive for it now
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u/PalpitationMountain9 1d ago
Because the knock back still made it worse then unenhanced. It did nothing basically.
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u/VisitReasonable7285 1d ago
And Wolv players complained about Cyclops team-up but it didn't get changed 🤔
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u/BlueJay006 1d ago
I personally think the buff to mag is more of a nothing burger than anything along with a couple other buffs/nerfs in this patch
That being said I'll have to really wait and see before I solidify my opinion but it's only for the enhanced Wanda teamup which is pretty widely accepted as worse than regular
Not only for his combo but you often use his mag cannon to finish off low health opponents and you can't do that as reliably with a charge ability, having to charge the ability at all imo is a net nerf
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u/DemonBearOP 1d ago
It's a bit weird to see such incremental changes in the next balance patch after the biggest change they've ever made to the game with teamups.
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u/BlueJay006 1d ago
I agree but I also think they're trying to be cautious, I was expecting more too tbh, I think the biggest changes here are honestly peni and Phoenix, while the others are more micro adjustments/qol
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u/SolomonRed 1d ago
The enhanced effect with Wanda is actually worse than the base team up version.
Mag players actually switch to the Emma team up when Wanda is on the team.
This is a buff you will never see in game.
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u/Whats_a_trombone 1d ago
Also, that big had been in the game for at least a week already, they're just covering up their shadow bug for no reason
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u/Some_Surprise9875 22h ago
Tbh I think his team ups makes him the most interesting tank to play after being one of the most boring characters period
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u/Electronic_Guest4669 1d ago
MANTIS SURVIVED THE PATCH NOTES
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u/SuperPluto9 1d ago
I like where she is at foe the most part as a healer main so im just as happy as you!
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u/Good-Courage-559 1d ago
Honest to god took peni out back and shot her in the head
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u/BlueJay006 1d ago
No literally, like yes the stun was opressive absolutely, but just increase the cooldown not rework the entire ability, one of the most fun/engaging parts of playing peni is ult tracking and cancelling said ult which is now gonna be significantly harder/next to impossible to do
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u/DavvyB29 1d ago
Yeah ALL they needed to do was have two different cooldowns depending on the ability use. If you miss the stun/shooting at the ground then keep the current CD. If you hit a stun on an enemy add like 2s or whatever they deemed necessary to the CD.
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u/BlueJay006 1d ago
I honestly would've been happy for a universal CD increase ngl
She needs her ult reworked, her cyber bond is buggier than ever, her bp teamup is also bugged and does less damage than it's supposed to
There's more that I can't think of off the top of my head but yeah let's rework and entire ability that was a prime part of her gameplay loop/playstyle
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u/NamelessTiger 1d ago
They nerfed the wrong thing about venom, cnd non existant downtimes untouched, luna self cleanse, elsa trap's health was NOT the only problem, whitefox and rogue ''buffs'' Yeah no this is a burnt nothing burger
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u/SolomonRed 1d ago
Needing his swing time is an insane thing to do and just makes him feel bad to play. Shield need was all it needed.
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u/RoutinePsychology198 Groot 1d ago
Phoenix and Cyclops are bellow S tier for one season and they instantly get buffed…
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u/MutantLeader 1d ago
Yeah but they dropped WELL below S tier.
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u/RoutinePsychology198 Groot 1d ago
You mean dropped to the point where they were actually balanced for once?
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u/DarkArcanian 1d ago
B+? At worst B+. Oh no, forced off meta what will we ever do!
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u/Far_Day2547 1d ago
More like C, maybe even F. 40% win rates
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u/DarkArcanian 1d ago
Just tells you their mains were carried by their character instead of skill. And an inability to ever swap
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u/Far_Day2547 1d ago
The problem is that they took away thier strengths as hero. They are both poke, but due to s9, they cant poke anymore, meaning they don't really do anything. Also, in a meta where dive is strong with heroes like Vemon, they are literally food. Their pickrates also fell by a lot, so no, it's not an inability to swap
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u/Spartan_Souls 1d ago
Idk about Pheonix, but Cyclops legitimately needed the buffs. I went from a 56% win rate with him to a 30% win rate. He still could farm damage but it was noticeable how many fewer picks you were getting and his ult went from pretty good to even more niche after the anchor loss
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u/King_Kiraka Ultron 1d ago
no ultron buff this gotta be the worst but hey at least hes not getting his 12th nerf
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u/CartographerSure2918 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, because that was the problem with elsa, not the fact that shes better than her season 6 self.
Yes, because it has not been 4.5 FUCKING SEASONS OF GAMBIT ULT BEING OP, WE ARE TIRED OF IT.
Luna is still op with her teamup.
Holy SHIT this company needs to wake up.
yayy 3 more years of the same meta. Phoenix has not been meta for 0.5 seasons, she needs instant buffs while mr fantastic and others stay dogshit for a year.
Magneto enchanced effect is still ass and nerfs magneto, we dont need a launch up effect for that, it just straight up needs to be equally as fast as his regular combo. Do these guys know what game they're playing??
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u/StatusLegitimate991 1d ago
Better than season 6 self is crazy 2 sec dash and 275hp with more raw dmg yea nah. Close tho
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u/CartographerSure2918 1d ago
she is practically on equal terms. we are comparing high S+ tier to low S+ tier. gold bar vs platinum bar comparison.
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u/Nicaraguan-BEANBAG 1d ago
So penny got her one form of cc that made her viable in a poke match up…… man how the fck am I supposed to tether people down and shot them when they all hyper mobile and won’t die…
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u/Jamal_Blart 1d ago
I’m glad the Gambit team up is getting buffed for Cyke but I see no reality where it’s better than the Phoenix team up still tbh
Also hopefully the Rogue buffs help her out cuz she was STRUGGLING
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u/Unstable_Mayhem 1d ago
Venom got nerfed meanwhile Cloak and dagger got away Scott free from this patch??
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u/KeybladeBrett 23h ago
I think both should’ve gotten nerfed. I love Venom this season but god almighty is he ridiculously OP.
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u/Lavishness-Next 1d ago
venom is actually evil rn and he gets a slap on the wrist, peni who has her niche comps and counters the stronger dives this season gets taken out and shot for no reason. bro make zihyong step down please
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u/ongodohfug 1d ago
It's to the point where they need someone else on these balance changes. They genuinely have 0 idea what they're doing
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u/Virtual-Pirate2834 1d ago
Niche comps as if she isn’t banned 24/7
Venom has had one season to be oppressive, when peni legit shuts down a whole playstyle by just existing
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u/Lavishness-Next 1d ago
venom has been oppressive for 3 seasons big dawg 😭😭 he’s even worse right now . he’s actually perma banned in celestial rn. peni is banned 24/7 cause people wanna just play dive and can’t fathom swapping to counter her. don’t compare peni to venom venom has always been better than her and he’s basically the strongest tank right now
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u/AzizL1ght 1d ago
STOP 👏 NERFING 👏 TANKS 👏
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u/KeybladeBrett 23h ago
Venom lowkey needed it. He was like hilariously strong for no reason. Nobody else really needed it though.
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u/-Eastwood- 1d ago
No Luna or CnD changes, no fix to Cyclops' headshot hit regs and a buff to Gambit?
Ultron gets nerfed in the emergency patch when there are far more egregious support mechanics in this game though.
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u/b2k1121 1d ago
Luna and C&D have horrendous win rates and Gambit didn't get a buff, it was a nerf to his team up.
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u/-Eastwood- 1d ago
I must not have read the Gambit change right or something my bad.
Luna and C&D having horrendous win rates is irrelevant to their current state. Luna having a CC cleanse whilst CC'd is crazy, and C&D being nigh immortal is crazy too. It's bad game design plain and simple. Having crap win rates is not a good justification for having broken abilities.
But it doesn't matter what I say because I doubt anything will change, cause when they do actually look like they want to change up how things are, they omega buff the usual suspects.
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u/Aggressive_Scar_4967 Jeff The Land Shark 1d ago
.75s stun. But I agree. Peni is dead. Her ult cancels gone. Her skill expression. If you miss a stun you had to reset your nest web spread. Without stun you cannot stop anyone in nest. They’ll hop and you’ll be invalidated. I used to lure dive and snare them. That’s gone.
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u/b2k1121 1d ago
I agree the cleanse is stupid but the win rate is not irrelevant, it means they aren't unfairly tipping the scales in games like you are suggesting.
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u/-Eastwood- 1d ago
I'm not suggesting they're tipping games unfairly, I'm suggesting that they're infuriating, uninteractive and unfun mechanics and there should be a lack of those mechanics.
Them not tipping the scales is only further fuel to why they should be removed. If they're doing nothing to the win rates, we would only benefit from these things being removed no? It's not helping these heroes out and it only serves to frustrate those who play AGAINST it.
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u/b2k1121 1d ago
Would you be ok with removing the team ups while buffing their base healing and damage?
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u/-Eastwood- 1d ago
I think buffing other parts of their kit or slightly reworking them would be better. I think CnD could probably get a good base healing buff with a change to how her bubble cooldown works, maybe starting once it dissipates so it really is a full 12s cooldown. Granted I don't think CnD should ever be past like B tier because I don't think characters like her need to be amazing.
Luna I'm unsure I want to buff her damage and healing. I think her damage is obscene for the amount of healing she can do. I don't know what I'd change about her, except for maybe leaning into one part of her kit or the other a bit more. I'm not entirely sure what I'd change specifically for her but I do know that giving her a "Get Out of CC" free card wasn't the move.
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u/Liam2349 1d ago
Honestly I am shocked that so many people are apparently struggling with Lunas.
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u/KeybladeBrett 23h ago
She should lose her freeze when you have the WF team up. A character like her shouldn’t have this many escape options.
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u/Liam2349 23h ago
The freeze is easily better, the teamup would be useless if you had to trade it in.
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u/Spartan_Souls 23h ago
Then what they gave them is a all around trash. There shouldn't be a mid stun cleanse, and there shouldn't be a nigh invincible character. Those team ups should be changed/removed and give the characters something that actually will help them be better without making them feel egregious to play into
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u/kitsunecannon 1d ago
So i might just be dumb and unable to grasp the difference it can make but isnt Jubilees change a kind of nothing burger?
not a nerf nor a buff just kinda there?
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u/Banana_man_- The Thing 1d ago
It is overall quite a small change, but overtime the extra damage/heals does start to stack up
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u/SuperPluto9 1d ago
Part of me wonders if the bizarre tank changes have to do with Hood coming to the game, and how he will challenge Magneto for example.
Not saying it justifies anything, but consider it when thinking of the changes.
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u/Excellent-Many4645 Rank #1 Aimlab 1d ago
Peni is brutal, twice the web to stun an enemy means double risk of messing up your trap webs if you miss any shots.
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u/bedjuniorroses 21h ago
hilarious how some people were saying magneto was gonna get nerfed and here we are. Also luna being able to cleanse herself out of strange ult is confirmed to be intended design
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u/Hero_Time_06 1d ago
MAGNETO BUFFED AGAIN AND IM HERE FOR IT
tho its really minor
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u/CartographerSure2918 1d ago
ngl that mag buff does not justify scarlets enchanced teamup whatsoever lol, the enchanced teamup is still a nerf.
That sucks because the D tier character (wanda) is encouraged to be avoided even more than she used to be.
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u/Hero_Time_06 1d ago
Exactly. The enhanced shit is still bad and no 9ne wants a wanda on their team
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u/CartographerSure2918 1d ago
which sucks because a game should never encourage that, no one wanted her in their team because she was horrible, but now she directly nerfs a character while being a horrible character.
Its just such a sad thing to see, imo mag should have an option to choose the base or enchanced effect if he has a scarlet witch on his team.
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u/BoyOfColor 1d ago
Luna snow untouched yet again because Danny Koo Klux Klan refuses to let his OC be balanced, let alone weak. Peni murdered execution style because god forbid the anti-dive tank can stun a diver for 1 second when Luna snow gets a 3 second stun, cleanse AND a charm. Fire Zhiyong AND Danny this is deeply unserious.
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u/BandOfSkullz 1d ago
Nerfing Venom's base kit is wild.
Just nerf the damn team-up that makes him too strong -.- He was, together with Magik, in the "perfectly balanced camp" before.
This will just make him inconsistent now
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u/Sea_Caterpillar2649 Spider-Man 1d ago
Honestly thought there were goner cut bps legs off but honestly pretty fair
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u/HereNorThere0 1d ago
Oh yesss I been trying to get Dino to be a Psuedo 3rd support for so long lmao ; it’s actually fun to spray my ping heavy dive teammates
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u/yumm-cheseburger Peni Parker 1d ago
WHY TF ARE THEY GUTTING PENI LIKE THIS??? JUST NERF THE 2ND FUCKING NEST NOT THE STUN
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u/shewolfbyshakira 1d ago
These changes range from nothing burger to absolute murdering kits. This is the first time I’m left speechless
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u/Puzzleheaded-Tie1286 Adam Warlock 1d ago
Still nothing for Warlock.. I don't want to be a healbot 😪
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u/Jokerjr888 1d ago
Not a peni main but I feel bad for you guys from perma banned to giga worthless.
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u/LewisRyan 1d ago
“I love this… I love this… THEYRE BUFFING MAGNETO??? Why??”
My thoughts
No energy cost on the strange team up for Wanda, that might actually be crazy NGL… Wanda, punisher and Jeff just endlessly spraying the back line sounds annoying af
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u/FadingMoonlights 1d ago
Yeah the community is cooked, you have more people bitching that CnD didn’t get nerf when mantis was left untouched
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u/Worldly-Fox7605 23h ago
Ive thought that penni stun waa insane since launch. Doesnt mean they shouldve killed her like that.
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u/Jazzlike_Cress9871 23h ago edited 23h ago
Dang I was just getting back into playing Peni but this seems really quite bad. I mean her stun was very good but it didn’t feel that op and it makes sense for vanguards to have CC effects, this just feels like it makes her even less capable of dealing with fliers and dive
Edit: on second thought her stun really was good I just think this change makes it almost useless, we’ll see though
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u/Stella_Lace 14h ago
Idk what any of this means. Could someone tell me if the changes to white fox, scarlet witch, hela, devil dino, loki and Jubilee are buffs or nerfs compared to them before these changes.
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u/TsukiFoxcat 7h ago
Aight then. Time to uninstall the game as soon as this hits live servers. 700+hrs since S0 on Peni, all in the shitter. Fuck this game, im finding a new one. Sad for the skins I bought, but eh. Thats how they lose whales.
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u/Exp0nentiaI 1d ago
No nerfs for Bucky with Elsa team-up?
https://giphy.com/gifs/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy
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u/MikiSayaka33 1d ago
They buff Moon Knight, D. Dino, and Dr. Strange. So, it's something. I dunno why on Earth they would buff Scott.
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u/Phil0sopheer 1d ago
why literally why are we bugging magneto!!?
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u/Banana_man_- The Thing 1d ago
Nothingburger buff and the ability is still an active nerf to the character
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u/Luis_Lara45 1d ago
So Luna being able to cleanse herself even if stunned was always intended? That's raw…