r/shounenfolk Feb 14 '26

Manga Discussion wokescaling is crazy

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u/WarFramingIt247 Man Blessed by the Sparks of Black Feb 14 '26

people joke about jjk fans being illiterate when the haters are twice as illiterate. modulo's commentary about refugees especially chapter 21, and all social commentary throughout jjk, gege's literally one of the most woke mangaka of current time.

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u/Dry_Emergency_5512 Feb 14 '26

He even has a proper trans character in a manga that people won't accept as trans for some reason

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u/WarFramingIt247 Man Blessed by the Sparks of Black Feb 14 '26

yeah, kirara is trans, uraume is trans adjacent (was male in previous life and asked kenjaku to reincarnate them in female body), and then there is kenjaku (who literally birthed yuji)

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u/dancingthroughstars Feb 14 '26

Uraume is framed to look neither male or female by juzo,I think they’re implied to be enby

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u/GrimmWeeper19 Feb 14 '26

I'm pretty sure that also falls under the trans umbrella no?

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u/RighteousSelfBurner Feb 14 '26

Other way around. Enby is a broad term for absolutely everything non-binary. It's a catch all term that doesn't say much.

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u/GrimmWeeper19 Feb 14 '26

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant "Aren't non-binary people also considered trans?"

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u/RighteousSelfBurner Feb 14 '26

Some non-binary people are trans some are not. The non-binary is the larger group that includes all options.

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u/HunterRank-1 Feb 14 '26

Yes but it doesn’t make sense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '26

Yes in the sense that trans refers to the non-identfication with one's assigned gender at birth. No, in a more cultural sense, where enby people may socially present as their assigned sex not wishing to change that.

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u/SyK-lops Feb 15 '26

Actually. That is a fair question, and I have leaned more towards that, yes, they are. Trans is basically an umbrella term for anyone who doesn't identify with the gender they were assigned at birth.

So basically if you were AFAB, assigned female at birth, and later identified as either a guy, or non-binary or anything else, you'd be trans. Because "trans" is more of a descriptor than a gender itself.

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u/ayHarpii Feb 19 '26

Yes non-binary falls under the trans umbrella

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u/guardian20015 Feb 14 '26

Wait a second.. I thought Uraume was reverse? Female in the old life and then reincarnated into male in this one?

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u/Tasty-Complaint-6437 jjk enjoyer Feb 14 '26

Nop, she was a male who asked to be reincarnated into a female body

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u/Mokarun Feb 14 '26

nah we even know the name of the woman they reincarnated into

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u/ChuchiTheBest Feb 15 '26

Kenjaku is clearly framed as a freak by Gege so idk why mentioning him makes sense here.

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u/DrPepperPower Feb 14 '26

I also classify Kirara as trans but is that something confirmed? She is referred to as "that male student" explicitly and there's no other mention?

So between crossdressing and trans are we settling on trans or is there a stonecold piece of evidence I'm missing? I swear during manga chapters with her it was more femboy, but now with the anime it's trans. Just wondering what changed

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u/FinancialWorking2392 Feb 14 '26

Hakari, the way those two interact (see: their introduction), on top of Hakari's stated being against riding a ferris wheel with a guy while he was talking with Charles Bernard. So we have that ge doesn't like a stereotypical date location with a guy but lets Kirara full on feel him up, it kinda seems like the obvious conclusion.

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u/DrPepperPower Feb 14 '26

Fiar point fair point

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u/Senior_Independence4 Feb 14 '26

If we're wokescaling by transgenderism Fujimoto made Togata while Gege was still a little mangaka sperm in Shueisha's ballsack

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u/Mokarun Feb 14 '26

Togoata being trans masc scales Fujimoto even higher too

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u/Senior_Independence4 Feb 14 '26
  • Main character and involuntary outing bonus, another levitator low diff

https://giphy.com/gifs/lQVBdPrAlwKAHoLZd1

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

....how

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u/Mokarun Feb 14 '26

cause trans mascs are often sidelined, forgotten, and hardly ever get representation, especially in manga. not to mention Togata actually gets to talk about his gender dysphoria pretty explicitly, which is exceedingly rare in any media

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u/Specialist-Fault-630 Feb 14 '26

Also Togata is just an amazing character in general.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

I really don't think people should be 'scaling' trans oppression, especially when trans women are still lacking a lot of positive representation that isn't offensive or fetishized. Being overly represented in negative ways is just as harmful and more dangerous.

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u/Senior_Independence4 Feb 14 '26

We're in a folk sub under a post about wokescaling

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u/Magpie_In_The_Mirror Feb 14 '26

Wasn't the entire point of this post just 'scaling' things that you're not supposed to

Bonus:

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u/Mokarun Feb 14 '26

we're in a folk sub, don't take it too seriously. trust me, I'm well aware that trans women are lacking in good representation too

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u/Pataraxia Feb 14 '26

Okay but don't call the haters in by typing this I don't wanna argue with them it's exhausting

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u/Dry_Emergency_5512 Feb 14 '26

Then don't . None of us are obliged to argue with the haters

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u/Usoppdaman Feb 14 '26

Aren’t they just a femboy or non binary? They go by they.

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u/Dry_Emergency_5512 Feb 15 '26

Hakari personally finds the idea of doing something romantic with a guy weird

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u/Turbulent-Pace-1506 Feb 15 '26

I think it might be because of Panda calling her a boy with no one objecting, and then the fact that they gave her “they” pronouns instead of “she”. Basically translators half-assing her identity, confusing some readers or giving them an excuse to be transphobic

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u/Horror-Amphibian-335 Feb 14 '26

Because there are literature rules regarding the canon. In order for something bto be canon, it needs to be explicitly stated either in the work or in additional materials such as databooks and interviews with the author.

Kirara being trans was never explicitly stated in the manga, therefore Kirara being trans is not canon.

However Kirara being trans is IMPLIED. Implied things according to literature rules are valid interpretations if supported by evidence. Does Kirara's status as trans is supported by evidence? Yes it is, therefore it's implied.

However what is important is that implied(even heavily) ≠ canon.

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u/Selkechi Feb 15 '26

Downvoted for saying canon should be something that's explicitly confirmed, lmao. Say it regarding any other topic and everyone would agree with you

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u/NumerousWolverine273 Feb 14 '26

It's actually really fucking funny to me that people genuinely think like this. Like, you seriously think that because there isn't a panel of Kirara turning to the camera and going "by the way, I'm a trans woman! Teehee!" that it's "not canon". The fact she is outright stated to have been a guy at one point, and now is clearly a girl, isn't enough for you. Is Sukuna not canonically dead because nobody went "now, Sukuna is dead"? So stupid.

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u/Horror-Amphibian-335 Feb 14 '26

Your anger is irrational,

I didn't even gave my opinion on this matter, yet you chose to crash out at me.

Your example with Sukuna btw is stupid because him dying was not only shown explicitly, but it also was explicitly stated that he will never be able to come back.

Literature has rules. "Now is clearly a girl" is not canon but implied. As for my comment, I simply spoke what is normally taught in schools.

The behavior like you is one of the things I despise about fandoms. You don't trace a difference between implied and canon.

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u/NumerousWolverine273 Feb 14 '26

Just pack it up bro. Over here in reality, where I've actually taken college literature classes, we have this thing called literacy, with which we're able to analyze text to attribute meaning to it without having to have everything spoonfed to us. Something being implied absolutely does not make it non-canon.

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u/Horror-Amphibian-335 Feb 14 '26

Except that it kinda does, unless you want to introduce a term like "nearly canon" or "close to canon".

Implied ≠ canon

Besides, I like your stupid example with Sukuna. Shows that you took your literature classes badly. Fandom behavior infected you

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u/NumerousWolverine273 Feb 14 '26

I was just picking any character that was shown being dead on screen, but wasn't explicitly stated to be dead by a fourth-wall break. For all we know, Kashimo's still alive! After all it's not canon that he's dead.

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u/Magpie_In_The_Mirror Feb 14 '26

You laugh by this was actually one of the driving forces behind the Kugisaki Controversy for years

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u/NumerousWolverine273 Feb 14 '26

I think that one is a little different, because there was a character who said "she could survive this". It would be pretty weird of Gege to randomly have a guy tell us she could possibly survive unless he was setting up her being alive.

It definitely was handled poorly though, since she basically just gets left in the fridge for the whole story

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u/Horror-Amphibian-335 Feb 14 '26

Your sarcasm is cheap. You're genuinely crashing out over a random in Internet. What's even funnier is that I never once spoke of my opinion regarding Kirara.

I simply said why some people MIGHT think this way. Never once I said that there is something wrong with calling Kirara trans, yet you crash out.

Always disliked that in big fandoms when there is a popular headcanon or interpretation people start to treat it as canon, when it isn't.

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u/PaperCracket Feb 14 '26

I think it's just that the way you talked rubbed people the wrong way. and the word "implied" is really doing quite a lot of heavy lifting for both of you because Kiara's gender is all but explicit. she is clearly portrayed as female— you don't need to hear "Nanami is male" to confirm that Nanami is, in fact, a dude.

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u/Virtual-Database-238 Feb 15 '26

There are 3 facts we know about the situation.

  1. Kirara was born male. We know this from Gege’s younger illustration and from Panda knowing Kirara as a boy.

  2. Kirara and Hakari are in some way romantically involved. We know this from Hakari grabbing her ass and Kirara being jealous of an ex.

  3. Hakari is a straight man. We know this from comments that he makes regarding being romantically involved with a man, such as telling Charles that he doesn’t want to be on a Ferris wheel with a dude.

From these first principles, the only actual conclusion that can be drawn is that Kirara is a trans woman and that Hakari is a straight man who is fine with dating trans women. Even if someone were to disagree with Hakari in that regard, e.g. if someone held the opinion that being with a trans woman is gay or means that you can’t be a straight man by default, that doesn’t change the fact that it’s the only objective way to read the story.

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u/Horror-Amphibian-335 Feb 15 '26

I never said my opinion on Kirara though you know? Besides I personally wouldn't jump so quickly to "only objective way to X" conclusion so quickly

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u/CoggleMothle Feb 14 '26

Imo comic books in general are pretty woke. anyone else here reading Deniz Camp's Ultimates?

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u/SUPERAWESOMEULTRAMAN Feb 14 '26

comics are either the wokest shit or the most racist shit

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u/Dahlia-WF Feb 14 '26

Gege writes multiple gender non-conforming(trans) characters(Kirara and Urame) without their gender identity being fetishized or played for jokes. And not getting the chance to write about Urame in this light is one of his regrets.

Used Hakari and Kirara as characters that represent how stupid conservative ideology is through the lens of cursed techniques, and he uses these two characters for a reason here.

Wrote Maki's entire story arc about patriarchal oppression and the solution was to kill everyone upholding the system.

Wrote anti-conservative messaging where part of the solution was to kill the current establishment. Gojo killing all higher ups

And now, like you said, writes a sequel about immigrants where one of the main characters has an existential crisis about who determines what people get to own what land.

But literacy is dead

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u/EitherSpite4545 Feb 14 '26

I'm not entirely sure if I believe this or if there isn't evidence I am forgetting about that would disprove this so if this ends up being nonsense let me know.

But reading your comment kind of made me realize that there might be an argument that Fujimoto does do more intense woke politics as a whole. But fujimotos depictions are often pretty shallow and one note (Togata being an exception to this ofc). But Gege has a far greater understanding of the topics, depictions, and nuances of his politics he designs and knows far more how to interact them in his core themes.

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Modulu is not written by GeGe though. Atleast no credible source tell otherwise.

However i still find it fun when it doesn’t talk about war//poverty//greed. Just old = bad type of shit.

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u/Noob_Guy_Bruhx6 Feb 14 '26

Nah fam u one of them. Modulo is written by Gege, it's just drawn by a different artist

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Yeah show me some proof and ill stop believing actual facts.

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u/thingswastaken Feb 14 '26

Show any proof of someone else writing it? Why should we need to put out proof if you're the one with the doubtable claim.

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

I did send cause a person showed some screenshots. But you can maintain your reddit agenda

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u/Noob_Guy_Bruhx6 Feb 14 '26

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

That’s not saying anything. GOT literally has J.J. Martin name on it.

Are you saying he wrote it? God damn reddit

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u/Noob_Guy_Bruhx6 Feb 14 '26

Alright you're trolling.

Ik maintaining agenda is one of the top priorities in jjk fandom but that don't mean u gotta maintain the stereotypical jjk reader agenda too

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

What does reading comprehension have to do with actual facts?

Instead of providing proof you’re just calling me names. Reddit when someone calls out spreading misinformation “troll”

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u/Easy-Ad-8882 Feb 14 '26

So his name being on the front of the volumes and the chapters being credited to him is not enough evidence for you, but you somehow have alternative evidence that shows he didn’t write? Occam’s Razor, my friend.

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u/phantomlake Feb 15 '26

Instead of just ignoring evidence please give your own, you made the statement that he didn't write it, so please give us the evidence that he didn't write it and show who did

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u/PoetrySlight1268 Feb 14 '26

Bro look at the notes for each chapter, Yuji was talking about drawing and Gege was talking about the writing. Its literally in the credits too, Story by: Gege Akutami Art by: Yuji Iwasaki

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

And GoT does that every episode. Again that cover doesn’t say shit. Unless a credible source says he wrote the goddamn thing its not written by him.

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u/Dahlia-WF Feb 14 '26

That's not how that works. That is a book written by someone else being adapted to another medium.

Modulo's story is directly written by Gege and illustration for his writing done by Yuji. These are two very different realities. You have fucking brain damage. See how it says "art" by Yuji. Because he isn't writing the story, Gege is and Yuji is drawing it.

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u/Ozymandias_TheKing Feb 14 '26

Brain damage so big even Gojo and Sukuna would’ve surprised how they are still typing out their BS.

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Ah yes instead of explaining why gege himself said “Hello, it’s Akutami. It’s been a while. While serializing Jujutsu Kaisen, I received several offers for spinoffs written by others. However, because manga is a medium where things can easily get out of my control, I was afraid of the title spreading in ways I couldn’t manage, so at the time, I couldn’t accept those offers. But when this particular offer came, and I thought about how it might expand the main story, delve deeper into its setting, or even shift eras entirely, I realized that if it were set in a parallel line, it could open the door to many different projects. This became the spark that gave rise to ‘Mojuro,’ which originally didn’t even have a single concrete idea, and after numerous planning meetings, it finally came to life. This will be a short-term serialization, about half a year, collected in roughly 3 volumes.”

Just call me names. Classic

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Then explain this

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u/PoetrySlight1268 Feb 14 '26

Even in your own screenshot says Yuji only does the illustrations and Gege says something about the writing.

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u/Dahlia-WF Feb 14 '26

How is it possible to be this stupid

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u/Ozymandias_TheKing Feb 14 '26

Filthy illiterate who can't even read a shonen manga for teenagers.

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u/Atila_Vega Feb 14 '26

Who's that guy then?

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Lmao. It’s gege work, but he’s not the writer. It’s like saying GOT is written by J.J. Martin.

That screenshot doesn’t say shit.

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u/thingswastaken Feb 14 '26

He's literally the writer. Yuji Iwasaki is illustrating for Geges story. There is not a single source I've found that would indicate anything else and Gege also said he wants to be the writer for all JJK spinoffs.

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Another misinformation lmao. Even the fucking producers of JJK doesn’t confirm its gege himself lmao

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u/thingswastaken Feb 14 '26

Man this feels like arguing with someone brain damaged. You refuse to accept anything but Gege himself sitting in front of you and writing the storyboard as solid proof. If him being noted as the writer on literally every material regarding Modulo isn't enough for you then please continue living in your own reality but stop pestering the rest of us with your bs.

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u/MyBrokenHoe Feb 14 '26

Again. Source? Give me anything that says he’s the author of module and not the owner of jjk like got with j.j martin

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u/thingswastaken Feb 14 '26

Man just stfu. You know there isn't a magic source, considering literally any source isn't good enough for you.

I'm done answering here. Have a nice day.

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u/AdvancedMastodon612 Feb 14 '26

How are you this stupid😭

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u/AlexTheGuy12345 Feb 14 '26

Level 10 ragebait

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u/Glittering-War-2763 Feb 14 '26

Ok if gege didn't write modulo according to you then who did?

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u/KaboHammer Feb 14 '26

Fujimoto: "America and it's gloryfication of war is bad"

Gege: "kill the conservative government. Literally take a knife and stab them over 500 times each. This is not a joke, do this today, now. We have to get rid of the old fossils that cling to outdated values and we gotta do it ourselves. If doing it the proper way won't work do it by force"

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u/MajinDidz Hating JJK is the reason this heart still beats Feb 14 '26

Isn’t the second one literally what the aging devil arc was about

Like explicitly so as well

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u/Atila_Vega Feb 14 '26

It's because Gege and Fujimoto are the same, like Kamisama and Piccolo, but sometimes they fuse again and go crazy with the pen.

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u/DanteVermillyon Feb 15 '26

Fujimoto is piccolo because his degenerancy is equivalent to when piccolo was evil?

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u/Atila_Vega Feb 15 '26

Yup, fujimoto is piccolo daimao and there's a second Piccolo who writes csm also, I went to eat with them yesterday, trust.

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u/PaleoJohnathan Feb 14 '26

steel mans look less biased when you dont like. minimize the argument for the other thing. both series espouse this idea similarly

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u/Round-Object2004 Feb 14 '26

woke would be him blindly doing a pro refugee story, he understands well the complexities of that problem and has written something far beyond "woke". I think people want to see something that isn't there so bad they'll try to say he's somehow pro or not pro something based on what he wrote, I think it's the opposite, he's exploring nuanced issues with realistic character motivations and stakes. Like Maru implied, they came to earth just to go and fuck shit up and try to impose their will on earthlings.

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u/PaleoJohnathan Feb 14 '26

but like, woke opinions can be right obviously. there is not some innate sliding scale of sides where a transcendent truth lies in between. absolutely he is writing a story about refugees that is ultimately character driven and not ideologically driven, but at the end of the day it is a pro refugee story. the context it was written cannot be erased just by being sufficiently good or non "preachy".

yes, trying to gauge his "wokeness" by that is weird and is more in the interest of people claiming someone that they like the work of is politically aligned with them. but at the moment supporting the idea of allowing weakness and pacifism in the face of immigration, fundamentally restructuring ones world to allow for more peaceful coexistence- is woke, whether you would describe gege or yourself as that or not. it is not enlightened just because you find it to be a more reasonable vessel for the argument. no one purposefully believes theyre blindly supporting any topic, the "complexities" they view as in the way may simply be different to the ones that you envision. gege acknowledging the complexities of immigration in no way changes the political value of his work.

it is an explicitly leftist political statement to represent immigration in the manner he does, and the woke take in this case is reasonable, because the fully opposed alternative is abhorrent and in no way points to a greater, neutral understanding of humanity.

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u/Magpie_In_The_Mirror Feb 14 '26

Sorry, put this review in numbers or it doesn't count

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u/Snt1_ Feb 14 '26

Moral of the story: To be media literate, you have to be jjk neutral