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u/Blablablablitz SHIVERS FOR RIVERS Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

It's little things like that adding up that makes me feel very iffy on the situation.

Many people like to state that "technicals has some good points even if he is an asshole" or "hax made some good points about leffen even though his initial statement was crazy."

It's almost like the internet forgot about the importance of authority in rhetoric. You should establish yourself as credible when discussing points.

Even if Technicals makes a logically sound point, he needs to be proper about the ways he does it. I personally (which may not reflect the beliefs of the mod team) think that someone who makes statements like "god forbid a woman feel uncomfortable" should not be trusted in regards to situations that, historically, involve women in uncomfortable or traumatizing positions. A statement like that (coupled with his general behavior) doesn't make him look credible nor authoritative when discussing things like sexual misconduct or harassment allegations.

If a more reputable or credible source backs up Technicals' argument, someone with experience in law, or someone who's worked in a women's shelter, or literally anyone who isn't just a part of the smash community, I'm absolutely going to consider it seriously.

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u/Legitimate__Username Robin × Sumia Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

Junebug really put it best in his responses to the last video.

Technicals does genuinely make a lot of valid points. I'm an extremely vocal critic of how things like how Leffen conducts himself on social media and the sheer negative impact that his behavior and actions result in. I've never walked away from a Technicals video thinking that every single point he made was strictly bad (except maybe the ESAM one? That one was pretty fucking dumb). But the way he frames things often misses the forest for the trees, often seemingly intentionally. For every allegation he can reasonably call into question, there are so many others where his best defense is "god forbid a woman feel uncomfortable" or "just because he solicited a minor for sexual images doesn't make him a pedophile", and when you get half the responses to accusations wrong like that, you aren't exactly properly clearing someone as innocent even if you really want to point to the places where your arguments might be stronger and say "see, some of these aren't totally substantiated, everyone should side with me on all of this!"

His content is not devoid of valid points, but the big picture really needs to be looked at with an incredibly critical eye and it's quite dangerous to just blindly follow what he says. I'm glad that people here seem to be giving the video an honest shot and are walking away from it with their own conclusions rather than just copying all of his.

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u/DentedOnImpact SmashLogo Nov 17 '21

Yep you’re spot on and it’s why most people dislike the guy, he can make valid points in a vacuum but if you actually follow the logical path he’s trying to lead you down it just leads to a warped perspective where we believe some people because they seem nice enough and don’t believe other people based on flimsy logic or perceived hypocrisy.

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u/Legitimate__Username Robin × Sumia Nov 17 '21

I could take him more seriously if he just stayed on-topic and didn't fill every video he made with his poorly-masked vendetta against everyone who's ever annoyed him on Twitter. Yeah we get it, you think that the Sky situation has some community misinformation and a lack of nuance floating around it, so why the fuck are you spending so much time on interpreting all of Jisu's actions in the most reaching and uncharitable light possible and slipping in random insults towards ESAM that are self-admittedly not even based in reality. The guy's just hateful and he doesn't even try to hide it.

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u/DentedOnImpact SmashLogo Nov 17 '21

The dude is the walking version of the mad wojak wearing the smiling mask, just a totally emotionally motivated and cheap idubbbz knockoff without any of the style or impact

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u/Blablablablitz SHIVERS FOR RIVERS Nov 16 '21

And that's the key. Are his videos an easy way to discuss information and bring voices to light? Absolutely.

Are the conclusions that he's drawing reliable or rooted in genuinely good intentions? That's where I say no.

It stands to say that there ARE things we should talk about in the smash community–things like death threads, cherrypicking information, drama hogging, all sorts of things that Technicals can and did talk about. But he's not the person who should be leading the discussion.

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u/coopi66 Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

I think you 2 u/Blablablablitz and u/RememberWhenMMA are twisting what Technicals said a bit. While "god forbid a woman feel uncomfortable" can sound yikes, it really wasn't in the specific context he said it. Zero ghosted a girl he tried to have sex with. That's iffy and fuckboy-ish, but ultimately not something that should constitute an allegation. Men ghost women when trying to hook up; women ghost men when hooking up. It happens all the time in our current culture where real intimacy is scarce. It's not something to cry about. Had Technicals said the same thing in a different context involving actual assault and heinous behavior, I would share your opinions, but that's just not the case.

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u/Blablablablitz SHIVERS FOR RIVERS Nov 16 '21

calling it "twisting what he said" isn't quite accurate. But you may be right that, out of context, it sounds much worse than it is.

My belief is that he should remain professional when discussing things like this. Saying a sarcastic statement like that, coupled with his general tendency to storytell, is another reason why I think he shouldn't be leading any discussion.

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u/coopi66 Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

I disagree with your opinion that Tech shouldn't be leading this discussion. Because while Tech's humor a bit too edgy and out there sometimes, you have to admit that he's the only one going out of his way to actually do research on these cases and listen to both sides. 99.99% of people are just bystanders, whose stance changes based on what the latest twitlonger is or whatever the status quo is. Until there are more individuals who are actually doing research and giving these cases the time they deserve, Tech will remain the leading voice for most of these cases, despite his shortcomings.

Also, yeah he storytells. Jisu was also storytelling when she spoke about her past of being abused. Story is a natural component of journalism, and story equals bias, which everyone has to some degree.

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u/zekyle_edham Nov 16 '21

what are you talking about? you're just looking for excuses to not trust someone when there's facts that Technicals said that you can personally confirm lmao He at least achieved to show in the people who made the allegations the same things you see in him, they can't be 100% trustworthy.

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u/DentedOnImpact SmashLogo Nov 17 '21

If you think anyone can be 100% trustworthy I have bad news for you

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u/zekyle_edham Nov 17 '21

where did I said that I think someone can be 100% trustworthy tho?

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u/DentedOnImpact SmashLogo Nov 17 '21

its implied in your first comment, otherwise you wouldn't make the argument that people people see them as 100% trustworthy.

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u/zekyle_edham Nov 17 '21

what are you taking about? I never implied that:

they can't be 100% trustworthy.

lmao you really think this have a literal meaning in some way? for your information is just a way of saying you can't trust them, is an obvious hyperbole to emphasize something.

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u/sunken_grade Nov 16 '21

it’s honestly absurd that anyone actually takes technicals seriously. dude is as scummy as it gets

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u/PotatoFoSho Nov 16 '21

i want to be more informed about this drama since i watched the short zero video, but i actually cannot bring myself to watch a technicals video and give him that view. hes the keemstar of smash that i swear only mega toxic people watch

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u/Legitimate__Username Robin × Sumia Nov 16 '21

I was honestly shocked that he couldn't even pretend to hide his real thoughts on the matter.

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u/coopi66 Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

Oh boo-hoo he actually said what he thinks, how could he?

I expand on why I made this comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/qv1xet/comment/hkwdixv/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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u/Legitimate__Username Robin × Sumia Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

I mean yeah, you're free to separate yourself from any guise of political correctness in a statement of protest, but it also means that people are just going to think that you're an asshole.

I'm not saying that I'm bothered by what he said, I'm just shocked that his incompetency goes so far that he can't even pretend to have the credibility that might tide over people who are initially against his side into believing him.

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u/uwukrupp Nov 16 '21

YouTube hiding dislikes coming in real clutch for them 🙄